Winchester model 64 30-30 engraved MORE PHOTOS POSTED

[MP1518]

I would like a good source to get information and value on 1951 model 64 30-30 Winchester.

[2152hq]

From what I can see, the pattern follows the Winchester #8 factory pattern pretty well. It varied from gun to gun of course and era to era.
Wether it's a factory job or not? .. like I said I can't really see much in the one pic. I don't know if factory records are available for the M64's. It would tell how it left the factory.
Lots of them were done outside the factory by outside contractors by then for winchester, so they don't all look like the Kusmit Bros cut them.

IMO the stocks have been re-finished and the butt stock heavily reshaped at the nose of the comb.
Plain, non-checkered wood on a factory engraved rifle would be really rare but most anything was available from W at one time.
Never say never with a Winchester!

They are popular rifles with collectors, but originality is everything.
About all I can say.
There are a couple Winchester lever collectors here that'll be able to tell you a lot more about the rifle and possibly point you in the direction of values, age, ect..

[MP1518]

Originally Posted by 2152hq

From what I can see, the pattern follows the Winchester #8 factory pattern pretty well. It varied from gun to gun of course and era to era.
Wether it's a factory job or not? .. like I said I can't really see much in the one pic. I don't know if factory records are available for the M64's. It would tell how it left the factory.
Lots of them were done outside the factory by outside contractors by then for winchester, so they don't all look like the Kusmit Bros cut them.

IMO the stocks have been re-finished and the butt stock heavily reshaped at the nose of the comb.
Plain, non-checkered wood on a factory engraved rifle would be really rare but most anything was available from W at one time.
Never say never with a Winchester!

They are popular rifles with collectors, but originality is everything.
About all I can say.
There are a couple Winchester lever collectors here that'll be able to tell you a lot more about the rifle and possibly point you in the direction of values, age, ect..

I appreciate the information . I found several Model 64's with exactly the same shape stock as this one.(???) I will post more clear pics.

[2152hq]

The engraving appears cut w/an air assist engraving tool to me. That would put it around 1970 and forward w/the GraverMeister (GRS mfg) coming around about then. Very popular.

The border punch tool, called a 'mules foot punch' in the trade was a common off the shelf punch that was sold for years by a couple different engraver supply companys.
NGraver in CT sold it since the late 60's until just this year or last.

I have one still on my bench. I ground the small verticle dash out of the stamp inside the inverted U on the last job I used it on in the 90's to make it look at least a little different from the over the counter edition.
I added a hand cut accent mark inside the U to replace it,,just a smaller U inside it.. That was on a Deluxe Grade 1903 Winchester that I did a #8 Winchester pattern on for a customer.

Unfortunetly the gun got resold as an original.
With letters of testimony to it's originality of factory Winchester engraving by Angelo Stokes from 3 different 'experts', I spotted the rifles in a display at an OGCA show a couple years back.
You know your own work when you see it.

told the guy behind the display the story. Didn't seem like he believed me much, but the gun was gone the next trip around the hall.
I later found this closed auction on line by accident of that same rifle....Maybe where he got it..
Extremely Rare Factory Engraved Winchester Deluxe Model 1903 Semi-Automatic Rifle

Note the 'originality claims' dispite no factory records exist.
I figured they just removed my mark from it and let it fly. Another reason I don't believe anything I see anymore. I've seen too much of this stuff I guess.

That includes guns, boxes, factory letters, paperwork ,,and experts testimonials.


Added: I don't recognize the engravers mark on the bottom. Most likely an aftermarket engraving job as W didn't want contract or even the in-house custom shop engravers to mark their work. The latter allowed on special jobs/special occasions presentations sometimes, but as a general rule, no mark or signature. They'd sneak one in once in a while though!

[snuffy51]

Stuff like this is above me. It is a beautiful rifle.