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Old 03-29-2011, 04:42 PM
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I know several LEOs all of which were issued Glocks at one time or another. Some love them, some hate them.

Like somebody else said; the tendency to blame the gun probably depends on whether the writer loves or hates glocks.
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Sorry but I disagree with those saying this could have happened with any other type gun. The next time I am in the local briefing room of an area PD I will take some photos. There have been several unintentional discharges that left marks in the floor, all from Glocks.


My experience (full disclosure: I was told these stories and was not physically present); I know several LEOs all of which were issued Glocks at one time or another. Some love them, some hate them...BUT, every LEO I've ever met has told me that Glocks will absolutely discharge if dropped, bumped, handled wrong or whatever. One LEO I know was in a bar in D.C. when he dropped his. He said it went off 3 times before it quit bouncing. Personally, I won't own one.
Sorry in advance, and nothing personal, but I must call BS on this one, ESPECIALLY the one "going off" three times. Sounds like the cop had one or ten too many and hallucinated the warehouse scene from True Lies! Handled improperly, yes, they will fire. Dropped? Bumped? PUHLEEZE!!
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This ought to be a sticky in the M&P & SIgma sub forums as this can happen to any striker fired pistol. This is also the reason I gor my 9 with the manual safety
I like having a manual safety on any semi-auto. Those who don't feel compelled to use it, don't have to. But, I like having it available.
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Sorry in advance, and nothing personal, but I must call BS on this one, ESPECIALLY the one "going off" three times. Sounds like the cop had one or ten too many and hallucinated the warehouse scene from True Lies! Handled improperly, yes, they will fire. Dropped? Bumped? PUHLEEZE!!


Sorry and nothing personal but a couple of things to clear this up.

1. The second half of your "quote" from me was not mine. Never experienced this and never witnessed such as told by others.

2. I own a few Glocks. Never had one go off on it's own. Never had one go off when dropped but then I never have dropped one (yet). I have never been in a room when one sustained an unintentional discharge. I have seen the results several times of unintentional discharges. One that comes to mind is when an officer went to tend to business in the restroom. His pants dropped and the gun went off, sending a round through the wall and into the office of the Chief. Glocks are good guns but they are not the best guns out there and they have their flaws, one of which is there are no safeties.
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Here's my G36 in a Bianchi minimalist 105. It's a holster design I really like, and is similar to the "problem" holster. It is however not gun specific. Most of the Glock line is listed for this holster. Note how the trigger safety mech is exposed. It's been fitted as far as the gun can be seated in the holster.

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Stick a plug in it.

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Well someone had their finger on the trigger and squeezed.....
Glad no one got seriously hurt.

I like all my guns without mag or grip safeties. No matter what safety is present or not if you put your finger on the trigger you have a greater chance of it going "boom".
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Yes.. I believe that will be my game plan. Or the little button in the aftermarket trigger.
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Several unintentional discharges in the briefing room?

Is there anything special about the briefing room, or are unintentional discharges standard operating procedure wherever these LEOs are through the day?
This is where they sit through briefings, laying their Sam Browne belts on the tables while listening and then putting them on before going to their cars. It is also the place where they visit during breaks between bookings and such. There have been more lies told in that room in the last 20 yrs than there has been in politics in the last 100 yrs. One of the Commanders says it is also the most prone for accidental discharges.
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For those who carry Condition 3 to avoid such things, let me suggest that if you are that afraid of the design, you might want to change to a 1911-type or a revolver, or spend anough trigger time at the range to get comfortable with your gun. It ain't gonna pop on its own, and any degree of reasonable care will prevent such NDs.
I knew this would come up... It always does it seems.
I'm not afraid of the design, and not afraid to carry one in the chamber.
I'm also plenty comfortable with it. I've had it a good while.
But.. I have no real pressing need to carry one in the chamber, so
I feel the extra safety is worth the appx 1 second it takes to rack one up.
If I think I need one in the chamber, I'll crank one in there. But it doesn't
happen too often.

Nothing can sneak up on me out there. I can hear them well before they
ever get close to me. So 1-2 seconds is nothing to me. Not an issue at all.

I would be more than happy to go to a nice 1911, but I'm too cheap to
pay for one at this time. :/ I'd rather have a nice 1911 any day...
But not just because of the safety. Other reasons too.

In my case, I don't see much difference from the revolver user who
prefers to keep one empty in the cylinder. Not quite the same
mechanically, but the end result is about the same. It ain't gonna fire
unless I want it to.

Like I said, if I were a cop, or whatever, I'd always have one in the
chamber. In their case, 1-2 seconds can be critical. But it's not in my
case. I've got plenty of time to ponder the situation. So I see no reason
not to take advantage of the extra safety of an empty chamber.

My methods may not fit everyone, but it works great for me, and
my chances of a trigger snagged ND are pretty danged low.
Like I say, I'm often tromping through brush, tree branches, limbs, etc..
Even with my decent holster, @#$% can happen. But it won't with my
method. I've pre-nipped it in the bud.
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I am in the habit of holstering most handguns, especially Glocks, with my finger BEHIND the trigger to make sure that doesn't happen.
I prefer to keep my finger completely away from the trigger. It would be too easy, in my opinion, to miss the spot and end up w/ the finger forward of the trigger as one holstered the weapon.

I've never had a Glock (or any other weapon) go off if it is left alone. There has to be some degree of operator error in one of these deals.

The holsters that I use are all Blackhawk Serpa CQCs. In order to draw the weapon, one has to extend the trigger finger along the holster and press the little lever. When the weapon comes out, the trigger finger is along the barrel and is no where near the trigger. After several thousand repetitions, it is easy--no more difficult than any learned repetitive motion.

When the weapon is holstered, the trigger is completely covered. No, they are not pretty nor are they real leather. They do, however, function as advertised and securely lock the weapon in the holster. I would not use anything else.
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Wore out holster. Lack of care in holstering the weapon. Result is a negligent discharge. Same thing happens when people make mistakes using 1911's or when they try to fast draw a SAA cocking as they draw.
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Many years ago an officer went to the restroom and his 1911 dropped and blew the tolliet out from under him. Scared the whole dispatch office and flooded half the area. I dropped a loaded g26 and it didn't fire. I never have heard of a dropped are a briefing room discharge in our local PD. We always went to briefing dressed. jus saying. Checked my Galco and at this time there is no way for the trigger to be pulled by the leather.
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Yes.. I believe that will be my game plan. Or the little button in the aftermarket trigger.
Was not directing it to you.Just indicating that such an item exists,
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This is where they sit through briefings, laying their Sam Browne belts on the tables while listening and then putting them on before going to their cars. It is also the place where they visit during breaks between bookings and such. There have been more lies told in that room in the last 20 yrs than there has been in politics in the last 100 yrs. One of the Commanders says it is also the most prone for accidental discharges.
With 'several' AD's reported in the briefing room, sounds like a procedural issue that needs addressed.

After 17 years with the sheriff's office we've never had a AD/ND in the office. We have gun lockers for a reason. The only reason a firearm comes out of the holster in the office is to/from a gun locker. If a duty belt needs to come off, gun goes in the locker first. Need to take a dump in the restroom, gun goes in the locker first. I have suspended more than one deputy for taking their duty belt off in the office with a firearm still in the holster.

Different training styles I suppose, but how long does a briefing take that officers need to take their duty belts off? If our office was the most prone place for AD's, I think I'd be doing my paperwork in the car or at a donut shop. Don't mean to be so critical, but that's plain scary.
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Was not directing it to you.Just indicating that such an item exists,
These "trigger block" widgets, name escapes me, sorry, don't fit all models of Glocks, and are not one-fits-all, make sure you get the right one, if available. Look at the Siderlock trigger safety retrofit, which I've found to be satisfactory. It's not as easily installed(using the the lame instructions supplied) as claimed, but any Glock certified armorer should make short and inexpensive work of it...
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Many years ago an officer went to the restroom and his 1911 dropped and blew the tolliet out from under him.
Someone tap on his toes?
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I hate Glocks as much as anyone but, this isn't a gun failure. The gun did exactly as designed, discharged when the trigger was pulled. It's a holster malfunction, whether defective or somehow caused by the owner. I would be very interested in what Galco has to say about it.

FWIW I won't own a striker fired pistol for this reason alone. They all seem unnecessarily dangerous when safer options are available.
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the springfield XD is striker fired; however it also has a GRIP safety. My best buddy had an accidental discharge with his glock, I firmly believe that this would NOT have occurred (in this particular case) with the XD design, that's why I bought one instead of the Glock, but to each their own!
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I am not a Glock fan, but this "discharge" has nothing to do with it being a Glock. Any striker fired gun, SW, XD etc would have fired if the the leather protruded into the trigger.doe he mention if it is a stock trigger?

The guy shouldn't have that pointed stick in his pocket either.
Might poke his eye out
How would this have happened with an XD or XDm which has a grip safety? I think that it would have needed another factor to depress the grip in addition to the holster trigger protrusion.
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How would this have happened with an XD or XDm which has a grip safety? I think that it would have needed another factor to depress the grip in addition to the holster trigger protrusion.
I have several XD's and perhaps mistakenly included it in the list. It actually might have happened with a XD if the "dischargie" had to push hard on the gun thereby pushing on the grip safety. I holster a XD and use mywhole hand, not just my thumb and forefinger to place it in the holster. It is hard not to engage the grip safety, but granted it would be a little more difficult. There also is not enough information as to if the trigger is stock.

I will retract my XD example and change it to a SW MP or Sigma, Kahr then, or some other such striker fire gun without another form of mechanical safety.
If I had the guys holster I could probably make a SW MP do the same thing.
I still maintain it is not the fault of the gun, which ever brand you want to pick.

Based on the post of some guy with a bent holster who posted some pictures on the internet all the thousands of Glocks in service must be immediately be recalled.
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I have eight Glocks and they must all be defective. In the 25 years since I bought the first one, I have never had one KB, ND, or AD. I did put a G26 9mm mag into my .40SW G27 once though in a random act of stupidity. It put the 9mm bullet on paper and objected to the treatment by refusing to cycle the slide.

I think a heavy Kydex holster with FULL coverage of the trigger should be considered as an integral part of the gun's safety system. The operator is ALWAYS part of the safety system. As you add more and more safety systems to a gun so that you can mishandle it with impunity, you make it less and less available for rapid application towards a threat. I fer danged sure won't be cycling a slide in order to bring it to bear.

It is not difficult to locate and use a properly designed holster.
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I'm kinda dumb. When I first read the description of the episode as told by the victim, I thought the AD occured because he was reholstering the gun in the car. Not so apparently. He's lucky he didn't kill someone in the restaurant. Anybody want to buy a G36? I believe I'm better off sticking with revolvers.
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I'm kinda dumb. When I first read the description of the episode as told by the victim, I thought the AD occured because he was reholstering the gun in the car. Not so apparently. He's lucky he didn't kill someone in the restaurant. Anybody want to buy a G36? I believe I'm better off sticking with revolvers.
Even a bottomfeeder can be safe. Use the safety, and make sure you hold the hammer back (or down) when holstering. If you have a gun with no hammer showing, either put your finger behind the trigger like perpster does, or don't carry it. BTW, this also applies to any Centennials that don't have functional grip safeties. Obviously, they are not quite as sensitive as a Glock, but they still need to be handled properly.
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What if someone said "this knife is unsafe because the blade is too sharp. If you touch it you'll get cut. I prefer this knife because the blade isn't as sharp so you won't get cut as easily."

I'd be thinking this guy needs to learn how to handle a knife.

I don't get the idea some people have that semi auto's need safeties... I've gone all my shooting life without accidentally firing a revolver... why should I accidentally fire a semi auto? The only reason is improper handling.

Perhaps if someone is so worried about accidentally pulling the trigger on a Glock they should reconsider owning gun all together.

Here's the IWB holster for my G27. The trigger is more than adequately covered.
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Even a bottomfeeder can be safe. Use the safety, and make sure you hold the hammer back (or down) when holstering. If you have a gun with no hammer showing, either put your finger behind the trigger like perpster does, or don't carry it. BTW, this also applies to any Centennials that don't have functional grip safeties. Obviously, they are not quite as sensitive as a Glock, but they still need to be handled properly.
There's the rub... no safety to use on a Glock!
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Carry gun=thumb safety
range gun="trigger safety"
I dont understand how a "safe action" trigger safety can be called a safety, regardless of who manufactures the weapon. Whatever your preference, we can all learn from this guys mishap. Thankfully there were no serious injuries.
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As far as myself, the rub with the safe action trigger on the
Sigma is it only works if the snag/pull is in the middle, or on
the upper section of the trigger. If it's on the lower half of the
trigger, it can be pulled full range and fired.
This is why I often carry with an empty chamber, even though I'm
using a holster that covers the trigger fairly well.
But I'm in a different position than many guys. I'm not carrying
concealed, and the use of that pistol is mainly out at my dirt patch.
It's almost purely for mean critter use, not for crooks.
It's the branches, limbs, brush,etc that I'm constantly tromping though
that bother me.
I'm afraid that some day one might get poked in there, and then
come pulling back out, and a branch off the branch might catch and pull
the trigger.
Like I say, the extra second or two to rack the slide is nothing to me
out there, so I prefer to take the safe route to assure that no matter
what happens, the pistol is not going to fire.
Sure, I may be overly paranoid, but I would rather lean in the direction
of the extra safety.
I've been shooting for 40 years or so, and I ain't never had an accident
yet.. Bang on wood.. I'm trying to keep my record intact..

BTW, in this case, I do blame the holster and user, and I consider it a
ND, not an AD. It's no fault of the pistol.
And yes, in my case, the pistol is a Sigma, "some would call it a
Smegma", :/ and not a Glock. But they are pretty much the same in
function. The trigger itself is a bit different between the two though.
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I have looked and looked and looked and I can't find the safety on my K Frame either.

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I have looked and looked and looked and I can't find the safety on my K Frame either.
But you can hold the hammer down while reholstering, to avoid exactly the problem that occurred with the Glock and the old Galco. Perpster even avoids it with a Glock, but I'm not sure whether it can be done his way with all holsters.
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Boils down to:

gun's fault (Glock haters)
owner's/holster's fault (Glock lovers)

I never understood a safety lever on the face of a trigger, but also know my Browning HP slide safety gets pushed off at times when holstering. Of course this doesn't cause a discharge, but it demonstrates that no gun is totally fool-proof. Thanks to OP for sharing so we may all learn.
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Even Fools are not Foolproof,
If a gun's trigger finds itself squeezed while in it's Master's possession I find it to be the fault of said Master (Negligent Discharge).
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Stories about GLOCKs are interesting.

Recently is was posted that several LEOs had multiple stoppages with GLOCKs during a firefight. Some here diagnosed the problem as not holding the pistol properly..... but then there's a story posted about a GLOCK being dropped on the ground and firing.. and firing.. and firing. There's a story about a PD that can't keep GLOCKs from firing in their briefing room (pics of the battle scared briefing room floor are said to be coming). An empty GLOCK, one that has been checked by two people, can fire. There's a video here of a DEA firearms expert demonstrating this.

It seems there isn't much a GLOCK can't or won't do. It's time to mow the yard... I'm wondering...

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Please... you are NOT supposed to rely 100% on a safety anyway. Finger away from trigger = best safety. Bad holster away from trigger too apparently.
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Sorry but I disagree with those saying this could have happened with any other type gun. The next time I am in the local briefing room of an area PD I will take some photos. There have been several unintentional discharges that left marks in the floor, all from Glocks.

It CANNOT happen with my cocked & locked S&W 1911 or any of my other semi autoloaders. They have safeties. For my 1911 to discharge in such a fashion, it would have to have the ambi safety clicked off, the grip safety depressed, the trigger pulled and the holster that would allow such trigger contact through the holster. Not going to happen. It would be difficult to happen with a nice revolver since the trigger pull would have to be longer and take more pressure to bring the hammer back so it can fall on a round.

As most here know, I am an expert in the field of accident & crime scene reconstruction. I see more accidental discharges with Glocks than any other brand. Some here favoring the safe Glock may want to take a look at all the lawsuits from their gun discharges. Granted, since there are more out there in daily use, Glock has more exposure and more potential for discharge.

In the above case, I would almost bet the indenture of the holster was caused over time from the seat belt coupler rubbing against the holster as the poster is seated in his car. There has been more than one seat in a police car punctured in such a fashion but it is usually on the left side of the car.
Back a few years ago in my old department a female officers had been holding a perp at gunpoint (with Kimber 1911) and later when she re- holstered it went off.

1. She forgot to re-engage the safety and
2. The trigger caught on the thumb break and BOOM!

So it can happen. Negligence is negligence. There was also a similar case with a Glock in my state but I don't remember where.
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More accidental discharges have happened with Glocks than any other pistol according to statistics and among LEOs. I don't need to draw any conclusions for anyone.
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More accidental discharges have happened with Glocks than any other pistol according to statistics and among LEOs. I don't need to draw any conclusions for anyone.
Of course the stats will show that due to the fact that probably every LEO agency has or had them at one time or another. Just because they are LEOs, does not mean they are experts in handling firearms (no offense meant to anyone)Your odds again are greater, holstering and drawing on a daily basis compared to someone who takes it out of a safe and shoots one twice a year.Your odds are going to be greater the more of them are out there. That's like saying there have been no AD's with Seecamps 22lr among LEOS.

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Of course the stats will show that due to the fact that probably every LEO agency has or had them at one time or another. Just because they are LEOs, does not mean they are experts in handling firearms (no offense meant to anyone)Your odds again are greater, holstering and drawing on a daily basis compared to someone who takes it out of a safe and shoots one twice a year.Your odds are going to be greater the more of them are out there. That's like saying there have been no AD's with Seecamps 22lr among LEOS.

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Another 'dog bites man' story.
A lot of folks seem to like them, but I don't and won't own a Glock for this reason alone if no other. Heard all the justifications, excuses, and user blames. But, at least with a hammer fired gun like an HK or a 3rd gen S&W, even if DAO, I can put my thumb over the hammer when holstering or otherwise handling and it makes it almost impossible to fire. Even if you don't feel the hammer coming back, the trigger resistance is impossibly large not to notice. Try it, you'll see.
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If you look closely at the model number for that Galco holster, it is made for a Sig P230/P232.

Wrong holster, exposing the trigger by not covering the trigger guard.

Owners fault for using the wrong holster not matched properly to the gun.
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You will also notice that the Title is now:

Safety Warning!, Worn Leather holster can cause accidental discharges. The owner even fesses up that it is his fault so a lesson learned and thank goodness no one was hurt.

SAFETY WARNING! Worn Leather Holsters Can Cause Accidental Discharges!
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Hat's off to this guy for 1) admitting his mistake and sharing with us so we could all learn from it, and 2) for taking the photos before he even bandaged up the wound so we could see the blood. What self-sacrifice!
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