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Bad holster & glock = bang.


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WOW .... becareful folks.
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I am no expert but everyone should know that when you carry a Glock you carry Glock. It is a NO frills shooter.
If that is what you want to carry then don't whine when you allwow your leather to bite you.
You should have checked your leather.
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Must have been wearing it crossdraw.
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Old 03-27-2011, 11:47 PM
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galco is very thin leather and that did not happen overnight (meaning the leather protrusion into the trigger guard). hmmmm, wonder what caused that.

purely operator error on utilizing damaged/worn equipment.

should be titled gun "negligent" discharge
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Tain't no seech thing as 'accidental discharge'.

No pull trigger = no discharge
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This perfectly illustrates why I have installed a Siderlock trigger safety on my Glock 36, an occasional carry gun. It's just too easy for entangled clothing or etc. to cause an unintentional, i.e., "accidental" discharge, with the Glock mechanism.

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How do you not see your holster deforming that way? That is owner negligence all the way! That is just plain carelessness, period!
That is also why I have never carried any of my glocks with a round in the chamber. Unless I am going into combat or a LEO on duty, there is not a round in the chamber of my semis.

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That looks like a good warning to pay attention to your leather and replace it when it starts to get soft and flexible. I'd also suggest that this wouldn't have happened if he had been making sure the gun was seated properly when he holstered it. I check it each time I suit up to be sure everything is correct. A quick glance down and one in the mirror doesn't take long.
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Old 03-28-2011, 01:06 AM
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the Glock is a decent gun ... I personally eliminate them for these reasons however.
I like a proper mechanical safety to stand between the firing pin and a whole world full of stupidity, to include my own.
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I am in the habit of holstering most handguns, especially Glocks, with my finger BEHIND the trigger to make sure that doesn't happen.
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I am in the habit of holstering most handguns, especially Glocks, with my finger BEHIND the trigger to make sure that doesn't happen.
That's a really good tip right there. Thank you.

On a side note, I've got the ambi thumb safety on my M&P .45 ... I notice about 90% of the time the holster flips down the safety ... any way I can prevent this?

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Everyone I know raves about Glock. That's exactly why I wouldn't carry one.
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WOW, I own several Glocks and it is always my biggest concern. It is one of the reasons i bought an M&P with thumb safety.
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Galco belt slide holsters are not cheap nor are they poorly made. They are made for the Glock that was shown. Whether or not it was a correct holster for his Glock is unknown. Galco, from my experience in dealing with them would most likely have sent a replacement had they been notified.
I could be wrong here but, I suspect that someone if not the owner, had softened the leather to ease drawing and it went too far. The other option is using a holster that was not correct for the gun or a combination of both.
I am totally confident that if the Galco Belt slide holster was indeed a correct holster for the model of Glock that was being used ,that this failure would not have happened.

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Old 03-28-2011, 10:50 AM
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It wasn't a failure of the gun, but of the holster. It looks like the holster is well used, and after enough use, even the best quality holsters will begin to stretch. It appears that this was the case, and between the stretch of the leather at the mouth of the holster, and perhaps a sloppy or inattentive holstering, it was a set up for an unintentional (there is no such thing as an accidental) discharge.
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:03 AM
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I have been curious if the Blackhawk Serpa holsters could do the same thing at some point. Wear can creep up pretty fast on a daily carry rig. I used to have to wear a deep cover concealment holster that had stitching coming loose on it. I don’t even know when it started but I sure got a new one when I found it. That made me start checking the belt and holster each time I put it on the same as checking the gun each time. Some things that should be obvious just aren’t at first until we learn the hard way. I would have been up creek if that M9 had fallen out of my pants. Such is life.

Before we continue to burn the OP, I bet more than a few of us go home and check our own leather and see some questionable things.
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:31 AM
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I would like to thank the young man for showing us his problem. I have not checked the fit of my Glock into it's Galco yet!! I'm not sure had this happened to me I would have told this forum. I'm heading to the closet as soon as I finish this. His problem may save one of our lives.
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I am not a Glock fan, but this "discharge" has nothing to do with it being a Glock. Any striker fired gun, SW, XD etc would have fired if the the leather protruded into the trigger.doe he mention if it is a stock trigger?

The guy shouldn't have that pointed stick in his pocket either.
Might poke his eye out
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As ugly as they may be,I don'tthink this would happen with an inexpensive Glock plastic holster.I used one for years,even in tree stands without a problem.
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I'd like to say thanks to the poster MGJohn for bringing this to the table as I never considered checking my holsters once I see that they are fitting properly after purchase...this brings light to a potential accident with wear on older equipment and I for one appreciate him bringing it up. I have an Uncle Mikes I like to use around the farm a lot and see that it is also getting soft in the same area...time for replacement I think.

Hope your damage heal OK and everything works out for you.

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I'm an instructor-thanks for passing this on! This could occur with virtualy any pistol. All it takes is a firearm in battery-ready to function. Anything that will cycle the trigger.
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As ugly as they may be,I don'tthink this would happen with an inexpensive Glock plastic holster.I used one for years,even in tree stands without a problem.
That cheap $10 holster has been the best non-duty holster I have used for my Glock. My 27 rides in one every day and has for years. No wear, no issues, conceals well for an OWB holster.

As to the discharge, we have had several officers claim that their negligent discharges were the fault of their holsters and the snap catching the trigger. I have tried to duplicate that with the Safariland rigs we used to carry and an unloaded M22 and couldn't without having my finger also in the trigger guard. ...

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Wow. He was lucky. This just goes to show you need to be sure to keep things away from the trigger and you'll be fine... this includes fingers and misshapen holsters.....

Good thing he wasn't carrying appendix.
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I've always been confused by all the "hype" about the Glock "safe action" trigger mechanism. The bottom line is if the trigger gets pulled (or pushed) back, including the center lever, the gun goes off. Period. Other than maybe not going off if you drop it, I've never figured out how it is considered such as "safe action."
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An officer on my PD had a holster-induced AD a few years ago with a G22. He was using a Shooting Systems holster (previously known by the less politically correct name "Assault Systems"). It is a thumb break style with a velcro adjustable strap for differing size semi-autos. That strap became a little sloppy with age and found its way into the trigger guard and if everything goes wrong when re-holstering the gun goes bang. Luckily, the officer was not injured. We were able to duplicate this, with an empty gun of course. A call was made to Shooting Systems who provided an upgrade strap that was reinforced to be more stiff and more difficult to accidentally find its way into the trigger guard. But the lesson is to pay attention to holster wear and chuck anything that compromises the trigger upon re-holstering.
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This ought to be a sticky in the M&P & SIgma sub forums as this can happen to any striker fired pistol. This is also the reason I gor my 9 with the manual safety
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That was a huge FAIL on the part ofthat gun owner. I'll bet the he's set that holster on a belt daily and to not see that crease developing was inexcuseable. However, once the lawsuits start I'll bet you'll never hear him admit it.

This is why I don't like striker fired guns with only a trigger safety. My Springfield XDm has a grip safety in addition to the trigger safety and you can hammer the XDm into a holster and if you don't depress the grip safety it won't fire. Another plus is that in addition to the trigger, the slide is also locked by the grip safety so it can't be pushed too far out of battery by a tight holster. However, I don't carry my XDm, it's basically for HD or range use.

My carry choice is a Sig P239 with the DA/SA trigger. With that one I use the same habit developed with a revolver, that is a thumb on the hammer when holstering, if I feel that hammer starting to move I know I need to stop and see what's snagged the trigger.
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I am not a Glock fan, but this "discharge" has nothing to do with it being a Glock. Any striker fired gun, SW, XD etc would have fired if the the leather protruded into the trigger.doe he mention if it is a stock trigger?

The guy shouldn't have that pointed stick in his pocket either.
Might poke his eye out
It DID have someting to do with being a Glock. A Glock is striker-fired, and it's hard to hold the hammer back, or down. There's a reason I don't carry my Kahr. Perpster had the only right answer. Mine is first runner-up - don't carry a striker-fired pistol.

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My buddy had this happen to him, except his gun was an FN. His loose fitting t-shirt got fouled up in the trigger somehow as he was holstering his gun. He wasn't so fortunate as he blew off part of his finger and shot himself through the butt. Be careful guys, Shoo
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Leather makes my skin break out, so Kydex is my friend.
Seems its more of a friend than I imagined.
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Whether you are a Glock fan or a Glock hater this thread won't change your mind. If you are uncomfortable with the Glock's "safe action" then it is probably wise that you stay away from one.

I saw a similar situation at a LE gun range once . . . officer stuck his K-Frame in his back pocket, trigger caught on his pocket knife and it fired in double action mode.
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ouch, my wife just bought a glock 19 what kind of holster should i get her?
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It DID have someting to do with being a Glock. A Glock is striker-fired, and it's hard to hold the hammer back, or down. There's a reason I don't carry my Kahr. Perpster had the only right answer. Mine is first runner-up - don't carry a striker-fired pistol.
Isn't that exactly what I wrote? The title make it appear to be a Glock problem which it isn't.The problem is with the holster and the owner.
I carry a Kahr and it has a much longer trigger pull than a Glock. My MP 45 has the same trigger as the Glock. it would have fired under the same conditions. There is also nothing the pictorial that mentions if this gun has a had any trigger mods done, which lots of Glock shooters seem to fiddle with.

The SW version of the Glock would do the same thing.Why wasn't that mentioned? In fact it is never mentioned. The SW Sigma, now Self Defense was a direct rip off of Glocks design and SW is probably still paying for it. What design does the MP use?? Maybe the title should be, idiot has a worn holster than made is gun go off.
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I appreciate that a Forum member had the good sense to share this. It is a reminder to be more careful and goes to the safe handling of all handguns. It is unfair, IMHO, to "rag" on him for trying to look out for the safety of the rest of us.
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Isn't that exactly what I wrote? The title make it appear to be a Glock problem which it isn't.The problem is with the holster and the owner.
I carry a Kahr and it has a much longer trigger pull than a Glock. My MP 45 has the same trigger as the Glock. it would have fired under the same conditions. There is also nothing the pictorial that mentions if this gun has a had any trigger mods done, which lots of Glock shooters seem to fiddle with.

The SW version of the Glock would do the same thing.Why wasn't that mentioned? In fact it is never mentioned. The SW Sigma, now Self Defense was a direct rip off of Glocks design and SW is probably still paying for it. What design does the MP use?? Maybe the title should be, idiot has a worn holster than made is gun go off.
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I believe that holster looked "oiled" to me. It is quite possible that he may have used glove oil or something similar on the holster- if he did, he clearly didn't read the Galco owners manual. It is also possible he just had worn it to the point it crumpled.

I have a Galco contour belt I've worn for nearly 11 years now, and it isn't even broken in yet.
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I haven't used very many different holsters with my Glock 19 but I'll know what to look for in the future. I like the cheapo plastic OWB Glock holster in cooler weather under a jacket.
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Bad holster & glock = bang.


Gun Accidentally Discharges (8 pics)
Accidental Discharge occurs when the gun goes off and nothing was touching the trigger--Very Rare

If something touches the trigger that is called:Negligent Discharge--Big Difference
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Like bobelk99 said... No trigger pull/NO Discharge!
I personally carry a Glock Model 36 all the time in a Don Hume JIT Holster or Fobus Paddle Holster. I also carry a 23, 27 or 30SF on occasion and my son A LEO is issued a Model 22 for his duty firearm and carries a Glock 27 that I gifted him for Christmas off duty. Never have I heard of this before, at least in my circle.
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A reinforced mouth band on that holster would have solved that problem, as would a holster simply made of a more substantial leather.

Buy cheap, junk holsters, get junk results.
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Sorry but I disagree with those saying this could have happened with any other type gun. The next time I am in the local briefing room of an area PD I will take some photos. There have been several unintentional discharges that left marks in the floor, all from Glocks.

It CANNOT happen with my cocked & locked S&W 1911 or any of my other semi autoloaders. They have safeties. For my 1911 to discharge in such a fashion, it would have to have the ambi safety clicked off, the grip safety depressed, the trigger pulled and the holster that would allow such trigger contact through the holster. Not going to happen. It would be difficult to happen with a nice revolver since the trigger pull would have to be longer and take more pressure to bring the hammer back so it can fall on a round.

As most here know, I am an expert in the field of accident & crime scene reconstruction. I see more accidental discharges with Glocks than any other brand. Some here favoring the safe Glock may want to take a look at all the lawsuits from their gun discharges. Granted, since there are more out there in daily use, Glock has more exposure and more potential for discharge.

In the above case, I would almost bet the indenture of the holster was caused over time from the seat belt coupler rubbing against the holster as the poster is seated in his car. There has been more than one seat in a police car punctured in such a fashion but it is usually on the left side of the car.

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I for one appreciate this post, as careful and safety minded as we all try to be it never hurts to have a little reminder about what a firearm can do and is made to do. I don't carry a glock but my son does, he is very careful with it and handles it as it should be, I will however still send him this link! Thanks for the post.
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I also wonder about holster to weapon fit. I have that exact holster and carry daily a Sig. 229 and the fit is so tight I cannot see the holster ever getting that loose. The holster is boned for that weapon.

I'd thought perhaps he was using it with the belt loops inside between the holster and his waist but a second look at the pictures indicates he was wearing it properly.

Just put mine on to go to work and I can see how if the holster were very loose, that section of the leather could start to fold like his did but it'd have to be a super loose fit and happen over time. I think it'd be very noticeable on holstering particularly as, you cannot one hand re-holster with this model.

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Most of, if not all the unintended discharges that I've heard about used to be be with 1911's and now it's Glock's.
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The next time I am in the local briefing room of an area PD I will take some photos. There have been several unintentional discharges that left marks in the floor, all from Glocks.
Several unintentional discharges in the briefing room?

Is there anything special about the briefing room, or are unintentional discharges standard operating procedure wherever these LEOs are through the day?

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I have shot thousands of rounds through my Glock pistols without a single AD or accidental double tap. Shear negligence is afoot here.
I have though seen the result of a shirt getting caught in an IWB holster as the gun was being holstered. It was a nice hole in the LEO's pants and floor!
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I saw something similar during a qual at my last agency.

Officer had a Glock 22 in a kydex holster. He was wearing one of the raid jackets with the plastic knob thingies suspended from either side of the jacket.

One of the knob thingies plopped over the top of his holster while he was shooting.

He reloaded and then reholstered while the knob went inside his trigger guard. BANG! He had an awful looking scar on his backside.

Another reason I've no use for striker fired plastic pistols. Regards 18DAI.
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I am in the habit of holstering most handguns, especially Glocks, with my finger BEHIND the trigger to make sure that doesn't happen.
I do that as well. But I go a step farther and make sure the pistol is
pointing slightly away from my leg when I drop it down into the holster.

Also, like one, I usually don't carry a round in the chamber on mine.
But I'm not carrying it for crook defense, I'm not a cop, etc..
Mine is mainly for critter/prowler protection when I'm up at the dirt patch.
I'm willing to live with the extra second or two to rack up a round, when
it provides almost total safety from ND's.
I consider that the "external safety" on those striker fired pistols.. :/
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I'm glad the fellow wasn't hurt worse, and glad he fessed up to the event, but if I'd been that sloppy, I don't think I would have told anyone. Like perpster, when I carry a Glock, I always place a finger behind the trigger while holstering. I also make sure there are no bits of clothing loose to catch the trigger, and only carry in good holsters. This was a case of negligence, pure and simple, as have been pretty much all the Glock "accidental" discharges about which we've heard.

I have a difficult time figuring out just how that deep dent got in the holster, although I guess the seat belt could have done it over time. I've occasionally used Sparks' version of that holster (the original one) which is a much higher quality rig, and I don't think it would even be possible to kink it that way without doing so intentionally.

For those who carry Condition 3 to avoid such things, let me suggest that if you are that afraid of the design, you might want to change to a 1911-type or a revolver, or spend anough trigger time at the range to get comfortable with your gun. It ain't gonna pop on its own, and any degree of reasonable care will prevent such NDs.
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