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Old 10-08-2011, 12:00 AM
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The guy that I'm getting it from said it turned up loose in the family a few years back. They were unsure who exactly bought it. It was found tucked away new in the box along with the receipt showing the 29 dollars originally paid for it in the 1960s.

Obviously it was imported before the GCA 68 took effect.

The maker in Germany seems to have been Em-ge (no, not RG, that was a different company making low end revolvers). Apparently the design did actually start life as a starter pistol. It was then redesigned to be first a .22 and then a .32 S&W. This is one of the latter version.

Out of curiousity the current owner bought a box of ammo for it and took it to the range. He said if functioned and fired fine, and actually hits the target (some guns of this type keyhole badly). Apparently it will go off every time when fired single action, but there were some issues related to light striked fired double action.

Anyone know anything else about them or have one? I think they were also sold under the "Valor" trade name.

Why do I want it? The guy who did my Duracoating is deploying soon, so I have to learn to do it myself. This shall be a test subject...





I have a 3" 31-1 in .32 SW Long, so even if the above revolver self destructs, I can still make use of any ammo purchased for it. The bbl and cylinder are steel rather than die cast zinc alloy so could also be salvaged for other projects.

I think that it was probably purchased a "just in case" gun by someone at the beginning of the turmoil of the 1960s and then tucked away where it was literally forgotten.
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It reminds me of a Lynyrd Skynyrd song....
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I think this is the new NATO standard issue sidearm.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:48 AM
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I don't know but someone in your family is a sucker, $29 for that?

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Old 10-08-2011, 06:48 AM
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It reminds me of a cap gun I once had.
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Good one to use for a "Gun Buy Back" if you mess it up.
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I don't know but someone in your family is a sucker, $29 for that?

I disagree. It launches .32 cal projectiles down range-that's good for something. It will be a very nice training piece for duracoating practice.
It will give many hours of pleasure to its' new owner as he puffs his pipe while circling it and intently studying it. And at the end of its life he can get $50 for it at the next gun buy-back.
I give this project an enthusiastic thumbs up!

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You can always turn it into a shift knob for the ol' pickup if the duracoating process don't work out so well....
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Old 10-08-2011, 11:02 AM
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$29 actually was a lot of money for this gun when it was originally sold. I suspect that it was sold originally during the period of civil unrest that plagued parts of America during the 1960s and thus fetched a higher than usual price. (A 1967 nickel 15-3 4" that came to me in the original box had a price of "$97.30" written on it by way of comparison.)

It's an interesting cultural artifact in a way, sort of like all those Y2K AR15s or circa 2008-2009 panic purchase M4 clones (at one point a 6920 would easily fetch 1800 or more).

It was purchased by the current owner's family - I'm simply trading some misc objects for it (a spare pocket knife, an improperly sharpened Kbar, etc).

Going rate on these things currently is probably about a hundred dollars, about three times what it cost originally. (A NIB 15-3 nickel would presumably have aged better and fetch more than 300...)

It may need a new spring or a tweak, or just need 50 years of old oil cleaned out of the innards given that the DA impacts are causing misfires, but otherwise it does work for what someone originally wanted it for - an inexpensive personal defense weapon.

The .32 S&W is a rather low pressure offering, so even a zinc alloy frame will likely last a while. (I've seen .22 RGs that have been used extensively as working guns since imported that still work including some with sights wired on, etc.)

Likely the gun is not safe with all chambers loaded and the hammer ought rest on an empty chamber. Reloading would also be a rather slow process given the loading gate and the need to poke out empties one at a time. (No worse than a SA revolver though really.)

Pre GCA '68 (which went into effect 1/1/69) this is the sort of thing that one could have ordered out of the back of a copy of a Guns and Ammo or purchased from a car trunk dealer. (Anecdotes suggest that during the racial strife here in the south, that car trunk dealers used to show up to people's place of work dealing their wares - guns such as this - and garnering good sales.)

Also amusing is that the gun was was made in Germany. Today we tend to think of German made guns as high quality items worthy of a premium price. In the past this obviously wasn't always the case...

I lost my collection of 60s Guns and Ammo mags when I moved, so I don't have any period advertisements or press. SC was considered a poor region of the country in the 60s, so this might have been the best that someone could afford. (The pawnshops in Charleston still advertise specials on Armscor revolvers to this day.)
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Old 10-08-2011, 11:03 AM
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I kinda like it myself.......shows that all the newfangled dewdaa's aint nesessary. Basic,plain jane,as long as it goes bang.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:03 PM
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Prior to 1968 the "Valor" and "RG" brands were sold in chain stores such as Eckerds, Western Auto, Country Stores, and Gas Stations. One put the money on the counter, received the weapon and a sales slip and went on ones way.
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Doesn't it have the pinned barrel?
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:43 PM
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Old 10-08-2011, 11:52 PM
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Can it use +P ammo?
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German interpretation of the Nagant 1895?
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Before duracoating it I would rechamber and rebarrel it to .357 Magnum. Then you'd have a powerful enough handgun for self defense.

For a couple of rounds at least............
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I found a lot about Rhom. But still busy to find anyting about Emge.
I do know that they made alarmpistols.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:09 PM
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Well, I've now taken possession of it.

The gun is actually chambered for the .32 S&W Long, a bit of an improvement over the older .32 SW. There was an "lg."n the bbl after the ".32 S&W". The prior owner probably didn't notice this. Actually stamping the hole word might have cost pennies more...

The cylinder rotates clockwise. It also spins freely in this direction for loading/unloading. This means that simply carrying it with the hammer down on an empty chamber won't make it save. To make it even more fun, you can push on the hammer with your thumb and watch it make the firing pin stick out. Reassuring...

But I came up with a solution. Simply put a pencil down the bbl and into an empty chamber under the hammer. Now it can't rotate. Then holster the gun with the pencil trimmed to size. When drawing it, the pencil will fall out, thus clearing to gun to be cocked.

The bbl cylinder gap seems excessive, but then I'm not sure what "normal" on this thing would have been. Apparently it doesn't keyhole so that's a plus.

DA trigger pull is bad, but the guy I got it from said DA strikes caused some misfires anyway. SA is... well nominally less horrible... fairly functional really. Combined with the gate loading and need for an empty chamber, this really makes the gun no worse than many traditional single action revolvers.

The 3" bbl and over all size actually make the gun somewhat handy. It would seem to have some utility as a farm or trail gun, being used to put down animals. It can also be loaded fairly quickly from an empty condition with practice. Thus if nothing better was to be had, it could serve as a home defense firearm kept thusly... or with a pencil down the bbl.

The .32 S&W Long is actually cheaper to buy, and more widely loaded, than the older .32 S&W. I actually have a .32 S&W Long revolver already (3" S&W Model 31-1) so I already had ammunition handy. Federal offers an economical 20 pack for around ten or eleven dollars if someone is short on funds.

Most .32 S&W Long ammo to be had is lead roundnose, though wadcutters and semiwadcutters are also seen. I think Magtech even loads a JHP. While still a rather marginal chambering, the relatively heavy for caliber 100grain .32 bullets should poke a deep hole and recoil is generally quite moderate, even in a gun with an alloy frame like this.

In its own way, I suppose this does make it a +P variant of its genre, since I wasn't even aware of any of these being made in .32 SW Long. (Oddly enough, RG/Rohm made revolvers even in .44 magnum!)

Next step will be constructing a set of wood grips for it to alter the grip profile/angle so as to closely mimic one of the now popular "birdshead" SA revolver replicas.

Oddly enough the bbl is pinned.... All the serial numbers match too (numbered on bbl and frame). Has original grips... No box and papers after all though. And did I mention that it is prelock and in fact dispenses with anything even resembling any sort of mechanical safety device at all? Exotic light weight alloy frame... Tactical black polymer grips with special cross cut checkering (the choice of operators world wide)... Does away with the potentially troublesome opening cylinder in favor of the far more secure loading gate.... This thing just sells itself.
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New grips added. Now it looks and handles like a birdshead single action revolver. These were a set of Colt D frame grips that I had a guy who repairs guitars modify. Looks pretty good actually.

The proof date on this gun is 1968, the last year that they would have been imported. I suspect it was one of the final variants of its type hence the relative lack of information about these being found in .32 SW Long.

One interesting thing about the RGs, Em-Ges etc.... For all that they were cheaply made, they were all still proof tested in Germany and so stamped prior to export.
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I don't know but someone in your family is a sucker, $29 for that?

You don't know how badly I wanted a gun like that back in the day. I remember seeing them, (Well they were RG's actually, but the same basic thing) at the GEM store in Richmond in the early 70's or so for $29.00. Right next to the Raven 25's for the same price. There was a Smith & Wesson beside them, in the presentation case for $129.00

Back in those days I wanted a handgun, any handgun really. I couldn't even imagine $129.00. I don't think I'd ever seen that much money at one time in my life at that point. I could imagine $29.00 though. I couldn't afford it. But I could imagine it.

Guns like that kept the dream alive for me until such time when I could afford to finally buy one. I'd go by the store and just look at them. I didn't ask to see them or hold them. I didn't dare.

I never did buy one of those RG's. When I got a little money, I went straight to the Smith & Wesson (M-19) but I have been sorely tempted many a time since then to buy one, for that broke young fellow, who still lives inside me.
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In 1968 you could buy a Baby Browning for $10 more paying the suggested retail. $29 was a LOT for this gun.
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