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Old 12-03-2011, 04:46 PM
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I think that if national catastrophe ever happens, lightweight compact .22 rifles and plenty of ammo will be worth their weight in gold. The U.S. Air Force, back in the 1950s, thought that it would be good to have such a weapon as part of their pilots' survival kits, to be used if stranded in remote and possibly enemy-controlled areas. Eugene Stoner (of AR-15 fame) developed the AR-7 survival rifle to fill this need. The barrel, action and a magazine fit within the stock itself, and the package would float in water, either stowed or assembled. One was used in the James Bond movie "From Russia With Love" by Sean Connery to bring down a helicopter - a stretch, but you can see it on film. I bought this one in January of 1974. It was made in late 1973. It's got an original ArmaLite logo molded into the side, but was sold in a Charter Arms box, which I still have. Charter had bought the rights to make the arm from ArmaLite, but had not yet started their own production. It's been made by others since, but this is one of the originals.

I also have a Springfield Armory M6 over-under survival weapon in .22 LR/.410. This was another concept developed for the Air Force, enabling killing of small game by either a rifle shot or a shotgun blast. Both of these, I think, would be excellent choices for "grab and go" guns for emergencies.

What's your choice to fill this niche?

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Old 12-03-2011, 04:57 PM
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If and when the SHTF , I ain't going nowhere!

Where ya gonna go?

Everybody will take to the roads to go , nowhere! You'll probably get as far as a tankful of gas , whigh probably won't be far. You'll burn it sitting in gridlock.

I figure martial law will be declared and Nationl Guard will become National Police , anyone on the move will be subject to search and seizure of all deadly weapons. If other 'highwaymen' don't kill ya and take it.

This lands my land! I'm here , my stuffs here , and if push comes to shove , I'll die here!

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John, I saw one of those today at the gun show, sitting beside a brand new one from Henry. The Henry was cheaper.

If I were hitting the woods and needed something light to keep me company, I think I'd take my old Remington Apache 77. It's stood by me for more than half my life, so I can't abandon it now.
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I had one of those back in the 1970s. They had/have a couple of defects. The cap on the butt is subject to cracking, particularly when its cold. Worse, don't ever dry fire it. They snap firing pins like crazy. I think I replaced mine 2 or 3 times. The last cycle, I bought 2 or 3 more just in case. Not hard to replace, but a serious problem on a survival rifle.
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Sir, while a .22 RF rifle makes good sense for a subsistence hunter or farmer in more or less normal times, I would not want to have to repel boarders with just a .22.

I also suspect that food animals of any sort would quickly become scarce in a long-term, widespread collapse, so any gun's food-gathering utility would be limited. Not saying I wouldn't pot a bunny if the opportunity arose, just that I'd expect such opportunities to be very few and far between.

All that being so, I'd want a rifle suited to self-defense against armed humans operating in groups, perhaps in vehicles, perhaps fitted with improvised armor. Such a gun and its ammo would be heavy, but like Mr. Mkk41, I plan to stay at home. If I live long enough for my food to run out, then maybe I'd leave and carry something lighter.

JMHO, FWIW.

Hope this helps, and Semper Fi.

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As was the trend, 150 years ago, I keep both my handgun, and long gun in the same caliber:.357. I have plenty of .357 handguns, and a Henry .357/.38 to keep it company.

As mkk41 said "I ain't going anywhere." I couldn't carry all my firearms, ammo, cleaning supplies, food, water, blankets, extra clothes, and first aid supplies, and even if I could the roads would be full of millions of others running around in circles.
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If it comes down to SHTF this is my rifle, .45 Hi-Point Carbine. Shoots great,No issues and is Deadly Accurate. I don`t laugh at Hi-Point anymore,they got this right!.
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:32 PM
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I agree with staying at home. Urban dwellers will probably suffer from the hoards before they begin to sweep out in the more rural and then remote areas. I keep a 9mm pistol in my b.o.b. with a few essentials to get me home, and hopefully that could be accomplished in less than 48 hours. The previous post have been right on the mark, and I would sumitt that more than one gun would be needed: semi automatic pistols and revolvers, long range rifle i.e. 308, more close up rifle i.e. 556 AR15, 22 caliber/air rifle for small game, a shotgun for short range work and of course plenty of ammo. Food and water and long term substance like gardening and preserving also need to be given consideration.
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I agree with you regarding the value of a good 22 lr rifle and lots of ammo should the baloon go up. However, I'm out on the rifle you posted. I had one of these decades ago. Mine was a horrible weapon. That little screw at the rear of the receiver that holds the stamped rear peep sight - it comes loose about every third shot. The trigger is aweful. And ergos of the rifle are very poor.

I don't like posting this. If you are serious about the scenario you laid out, I know you can do a lot better. The least expensive Marlin 66 you can find, IMO, is a much better option.

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In that scenario, I don't see much utility in a .22LR of any type, except possibly a pocket pistol like a TPh, or something similar.

I agree with the stay-at-home-and-wait crowd, except that here in Indiana one might freeze to death if things go really sour. I might be inclined to head south to a friend's property, depending on just what I think may be going on between here and there. I wouldn't plan on shooting much along the way. I'll take a carbine or two, and a couple pistols. Nothing in .22 rimfire bigger than a handgun.

I have seen the two "survival" rifles you mention and would not be thrilled to have either - unless they were all I could get.

If I had to rely on a compact .22 rifle, I would much rather have my little Browning .22 auto. Takes down into, what, a 16-inch package (approximately)? Pretty slick little guns.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:02 PM
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Amen on mkk41's view.

If you like .22 LRs, the Ruger 10/22 or Marlin 60 or 795 are the updated way to go.

For "repelling boarders," the AR in some configuration is the way to go. Firepower, light weight, ammo and parts availability are drivers here.
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Palmetto State Armory 16" M4 Chrome Lined, MP, Carbine

http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/...?shop=1&cat=76

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For a walk in the woods type emergency mine is a Savage 24 22 lr over 20 gauge. 44 will be on the hip. For leaving an enemy controlled area an AR with a Ruger MK1 are my choice.
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John ... I had one of the later originals dating from '76-'77 and shot a ton with it. Lots'o'fun for a kid in the woods! Was thinking of picking up a new one, but couldn't justify the price when I already have a few 10-22s.

For my end of the world rifle, I always kept a good quality 15 on hand, with enough .223 to feel comfortable. That is until I splurged and purchased a Springfield SOCOM the month before last. It is the best, most accurate rifle I have ever owned.
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I had a Charter Arms version of that thing. It's a good idea, it just does not work. Maybe for it's intended purpose - have stowed under the seat for years at a time, and then used to fire less than a box of shells before you are rescued. But as a gun, to go play with and burn up bricks and bricks of shells - no.
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Unless Sequoyah Nuclear plant blows up, everything I need is right here.

However, If I was on the prowl looking for small game then I think a suppressed .22 would be a good way to go. No sense scarring off the other two bunnies just to get one... nor would I want to advertise to other hungry campers who may be lurking within ear shot. pfff... dinnner.
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We have a Rossi pump in 22 Mag that we all shoot well. When people were concerned about Y2K I kept two bandoleers with my Garand "just in case". However long term planing included several extra pounds of black powder for my flintlock. But I agree with those who are staying put. I have a well shallow enough for a hand pump. I have a wood stove. I'm not on a main road.

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Everyone will head for the hills so wild game will be sparse. A good AK or AR plus a bunch of spices to "season" the looters should hold you for a while. ; )
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How about this one?



I would more than likely be grabbing this one though.

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A good, well built .22 should be part of anyone's firearm battery. However, the use of a firearm should be dependent on where you live. In a major emergency, forget about the roads and getting into the country. I remember what happened down here with Katrina and Rita some years back.

In an apacolyptic (sic) scenario, probably the best bet would be a compact long gun of reasonable accuracy with a medium range and lots of firepower. In this kind of scenario, probably the only rifle would be an AK-47 due to its low maintenance and compact size.

The truth is, no matter how well we think we are prepared for something, these scenarios often fail to account for "Murphy's Law". In the end, ANY survival weapon will be what you have at hand when the ball drops and how well you can utilize it.
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Is it me or does this look kinda like the rifles in the Planet of the Apes movies....
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I believe the guns used in the Planet of the Apes movies where tricked out M1 carbines.
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I think that the general idea being suggested might be more along the lines of a backwoods/hardtimes game getter more so than anything else.

I emailed Henry Arms once, not so long ago, about their version of the AR-7. I'd read that they'd work more or less reliably with mini mags, esp after polished. But I wrote to ask whether they'd stand behind one behind reliable. The president of the company wrote me back. He said that they'd stand it behind it however possible... but.... if I wanted a really reliable rifle I'd be much better off with one of their lever actions. I appreciated his honesty.

One of these days I'll get one of their lever actions too.

Meanwhile, I like the little/simple CZ513 bolt action. It's light, handy, and fairly cheap. Seems robust and simple enough too. A conversion kit to make one a single shot can be had as well. Though any of dozens of single shot or magazine fed bolt action rifles made over the years would also work.

A suppressed weapon isn't legally available in all states, the tax stamp alone will cost more than many used .22s (and a decent stash of ammo) and a suppressed weapon will tend to be (all things being equal) less reliable and more maintenance intensive than one without a can on it. The .22 rimfire - esp from a rifle - isn't that noisy anyway and most people aren't good at telling where a shot came from, the more so if there is only one shot.

I had one of the Cz made .22Hornet over .410 rifles during the Y2K hysteria. I sold it some years later. Maybe for aircrew survival for a SAC crew it made sense, but eh... Would also work in an aircrew survival kit for flying the bush, maybe in an off roading vehicle, etc. For the backwoods cabin or home, the over under savage in .22LR/20ga is probably the more useful thing to walk around with.

On any kind of a budget, and if one wants to purshase new, the Henry Lever Action could be paired with a Heritage Arms Single Action and someone can be up and running relatively quickly.

So why do I have a bolt action? Easy to fire prone. Easy to load with any old mangy or banged up .22 ammo (short, long, long rifle) that you have laying around too. And if breaks, so long as I can salvage the bbl I can rig up something that will still fire with a door bolt if I had to (seen it done).

I have ARs of course, for other purposes. But those aren't that interesting and pretty much the same as most. What's rather telling is that so many have ARs to show off.... but you rarely see body armor with rifle plates and combat life saver bags to go with them. Or night vision gear... etc. If you find yourself in dire need of a fighting rifle to stay alive, odds are that you really need the sorts of things that accompany one into battle too, but not too many people get the rest of the stuff.

I do not own any pistol caliber carbines. They tend to make mediocre hunting guns (the .44 mag lever actions - which I did used to have one -- are somewhat useful I'll admit). For personal defense, well you'll get the increased hit probability that a shoulder fired weapon gives but... you've lost the range and power that a rifle would give. You also end up with a weapon unlikely to penetrate the better types of even soft body armor. Yet conversely you can accidentally shoot through more walls than you would with a 5.56mm properly loaded.

ARs are far from useless for hunting - that many AR pattern rifles are now sold specifically for hunting serves to illustrate this - but the configurations most useful for defensive purposes don't always lend themselves as well to game gathering. A notable exception would be a full size flat top fitted with one of the ACOG optics.
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They were Hi Point's with the original stocks.
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I never could hit beans with the AR-7 no matter who made it. You can do ALOT better with a used Winchester 69 for $200 or so.

But this is my idea of a SHTF rifle.





Throw in a .22 LR conversion kit and it will do everything that the AR-7 will (except float) and more...

Backed up by one or more of these...



If you feel the need for longer ranges and more power and better penetration than this is a valid alternative.



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I can't imagine any well thought out civil unrest strategy that, along with whatever else, did not include several high quality 22's, both rifles and handguns, and at least a couple thousand rounds of the ammo they prefer. When you think about the inherant accuracy, the ability for almost anyone to effectively put one into action, the portability of the ammo, and the inherant quietness of these tried and tested guns, it would be an oversight, and possibly a fatal one, to leave this weapon system out of a home or personal arsenal, in my view. As far as the often implied "mosquito bite" effect of being hit by one, it's just not worth talking about. I would venture to guess that someone with the will to do so could hit multiple moving human targets, multiple times with my Ruger 10-22, using its red dot sight and a 50 round magazine. It can be effectively fired at a rate close to some full autos. If they have armor, they'd better have it on their feet, hands, and eye balls, cause they are vulnerable in the scenario described above. After that, anyone who cares to can have more of the same if they wish, but if that's all I had, you'd better believe I could use it to great effectiveness. Flapjak.

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"But I agree with those who are staying put. I have a well shallow enough for a hand pump. I have a wood stove. I not on a main road."

The water supply for my house was once a spring up the holler. It is still there and fills a large tank. I also have a spring branch (small stream) and a creek on the property, so water is not a problem.

I have a wood cook stove and acres of trees behind me. There MIGHT be at least one .22 LR long gun here, as well as a shotgun, .308 rifle or two, and perhaps a handgun.

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The little 15-22 does duty as a .22LR, with the additional advantage of looking like a genuine "assault rifle". That could have a certain amount of deterrent effect right there.

Other good little guns are the old Nylon 66, pretty accurate, durable, and very light; and the old Savage O/U utility guns. Mine is the Camper Special .22LR over 20 ga. with a .30-30 liner.

Although a .22LR isn't much of a defensive round per se, in difficult times it might get more respect; getting shot with one when medical care is problematical would be a very serious matter indeed. Sort of like the Old West when the victim might not die right away but take a few days to expire from complications. Nasty.
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In todays world in the USA, where legal I think the best choice for a "Survival Rifle" is some sort of AR15. If you could have only one, an AR with a bunch of ammo and a bunch of magazines should be your first buy.
You need a good handgun and a bunch of ammo/magazines, or speedloaders, if you choose revolvers as your primary bad days handgun.

THEN, I would think about 22 LR's and shotguns.

IF you live some where out in the "toolies" in bear, or big game country, and prefer a 308 for you primary rifle then I have no problem with that.
Again in todays world an M1A is probably the best choice, however I prefer the H&K 91 personally.

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When it comes to 22LR rifles I think the Ruger 10-22 is the hands down best choice. It has a very good repuation for good accuracy and reliability.
Also with steel lipped 25 round magazines they are still very reliable.

Another 22LR I like is the take down Browning. Taken down it can fit in places and be carried in a pack very easily. They are very reliable, and fairly accurate.
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These fantasy speculations about apocalyptic scenarios requiring the choice of a specific gun to survive are just plain ridiculous. What's the objective? The only reasonable explanation would have to be pure entertainment.
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While I agree with many of the opinions stated here, I likely disagree with them as well.

First off, today's urban dwellers would have difficulty even cleaning wild game. They never had to before, do not hunt and look to the government for food, protection and survival. In the large cities, where most live, there are few squirrels, rabbits or such. I live in a very small town and have enough squirrels around the house to last a few days but the other neighbors will be shooting them as well. We have a few deer pass by the house each day but those would not last long in a severe situation as being described.

Now I can go to my farm and live another 20 yrs without seeing anyone or running out of food. It has generator for power, a well for water and hundreds of thousands of acres filled with walking food items. Anyone driving past is usually lost since the area is so remote and unknown.

Yet what happens in the city when massive power outages take place? People will have their food spoiling so it is best not to keep a full freezer but rather a full pantry.

For guns, I think it would be crazy of me to think I could pack up all my guns, safes, ammo and such to head for the farm (two hrs away). I am far better off here even during critical times. While I do not have six months of supplies on hand, I could make it thirty days without hunting for food and I could protect my property for a year or two and that is the real issue. As was seen during a hurricane, both home and store invasions were very popular. People were stealing things they could not use nor sell. While this covered a large area, it was not statewide or national. A drive of 75 miles would give one food, fuel or whatever they needed. Put on a larger scale, I am not sure anyone can be prepared for a true national emergency.
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These fantasy speculations about apocalyptic scenarios requiring the choice of a specific gun to survive are just plain ridiculous. What's the objective? The only reasonable explanation would have to be pure entertainment.
A regular killjoy, this fellow!

But he and Oldman45 are right and most of us know it. Sure, it is going to be very tough to make adequate preparations for a true emergency of national scale that interrupts the supply of food and essential utilities. Even the generator folks with soon enough run out of fuel. But just what is wrong with a little idle speculation and harmless entertainment in the meantime?
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If it comes down to SHTF this is my rifle, .45 Hi-Point Carbine. Shoots great,No issues and is Deadly Accurate. I don`t laugh at Hi-Point anymore,they got this right!.
This summer I was sitting on the porch reading a gun mag and saw a add for Hi-Point. I called and asked the lady why they didn't make these compatible with Glock mags, like Kel Tec did. She laughed and said "I get at LEAST 30 of these calls a day. We would have to shut down production to modify the tooling and right now we sell all we can make."
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I will take a stab at it
A few mentioned already, Cal 22lr. Ruger 10-22, and a pocket full of mags. Browning 22 auto takedown no mags needed,
Ruger 22/45.
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Probably my 42 year old Remington Nylon 66. It still fires like new, requires no lubrication, uses a tube magazine, and light weight. All I need is a pocket full of .22 ammo.
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I bought a Charter Arms AR7 and a NAA 22 mag derringer both brand new from a kitchen table ffl back in the late 70s. Found his ad in our local sale paper, The Bargain Mart. He delivered them to me at my fruit stand and the procedure was about like buying a bottle of booze. I showed my drivers license and the cash. I got a good AR7 and have had no problems. Still have it and the 22mg.

When the shtf I'm going down in style with my fancy stocked mini 14 and a few more bbq guns.




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I'm not of the SHTF crowd but I'll chime in.

When I first moved to Alaska in early 72, I worked for the railroad the first two years until I went to work for APD.

I lived in Lignite, three miles north of Healy (near McKinley Park). I built a little cabin because there was no place else to live unless you wanted to stay at the Healy Hotel.

Also there was no work, no jobs what so ever in this part of Alaska in the Winter. I pretty much fed my family with a little Savage 24, 22/410. Snow shoe Hares, and ptargamin.

I had several other firearms, but this is the one that did the trick for me.

Are there better guns for this sort of thing? Don't know, but I don't see how any gun could have given me any more small game to eat.
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I agree with you on the value of a .22LR, but I also agree with Out West on your choice of firearms. I had one of the original Armalites. It was an adequate rifle for large targets (deer), but for the type of game you would subsist on in a survival situation (rabbits, squirrels, birds) it was totally inadequate. I have replaced it with several light .22's that if prefer. My selection includes Remington 510's and Mossberg 342's. My current favorite is a Mossberg 342KB; light weight, clip fed, and deadly accurate. The only fault I find with these is the finish. All are blued steel and require more maintenance than a stainless firearm.

I noticed from your profile you seem to be closer to my age than many forum members. At my age I do not see me cruising the woods as a survivor. I will stay put in my rural location and make short distance foraging hunts if the need arises.
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I much more prefer the AR as a do all gun and they're mainly what I've taken stock in.
I do see the place in a 22 rifle for hunting small game rather quietly and have a couple 10/22s for that as well as some handguns in that caliber.

What hasn't been mentioned here in such a senerio is trading stock and a 22 rifle and ammo might be the best bet there. I bought a couple Romanian trainers for $50.00 each and wish I'd bought more of them.
I suspect I could trade one for food or other needed items should the stores all be closed. I live in the country and have a well stocked pantry but my neighbors might not be so well prepared. I'd much rather give them or trade a cheap 22 than one of my ARs. I also have a lot of 22 ammo that I could use or trade as well.

I'm getting older and can't expect to run around the woods and survive long either. I plan on staying right here and doing the best I can but it would be quite a struggle regardless and I wouldn't expect to survive that long either. I'm not willing to give up and die but simple fact does not give most of us that long in such a situation.
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Lots of folks talking about hunting "wild" game in a SHTF situation......realistically while wild game will be on the menu, but so will everything else when thousands/millions of people are hungry....dogs, cats, cattle, horses .....all of em.

Think about it a moment!!

Poodles would make a good meal when you are hungry and desperate.

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Probably my 42 year old Remington Nylon 66. It still fires like new, requires no lubrication, uses a tube magazine, and light weight. All I need is a pocket full of .22 ammo.
I also am a great fan of the Nylon 66s - unfailingly reliable, lightweight and accurate. I modified this one with a scope, a sling and an adapter for a flash suppressor or a noise suppressor. It would be an excellent choice for a .22 bug out gun.



However, to repel boarders, I'd have to admit I'd rely more on this one. It would be my favorite SHTF firearm.

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PALADIN...I have the same setup as you do, a M&P 15 with quite a few mags, but I have a lot more .22 ammo than .223 and my trusty 66 is a lot easier to carry. I can carry a lot more .22's in my pockets than .223's. I like your scope setup, but my stock irons also work well.
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Let's see-we just had a Pit Bull thread that was locked, now we have a survival rifle thread, I guess it's about time for a bear gun thread
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We are overdue for a "can I shoot +P in it" thread too.....
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On another board I once asked if anyone had any experience using any othese lightweight survival rifles,no responses IIRC, some of the AF types said they'd seen them but never fired them. Methinks they are like the S&W and Colt "Aircrewman" revolvers-a Great Idea that Doesn't Work. They look nifty, but.... The Luftwaffe issued their aircrews a drilling, 2 shotgun barrels and a subtantial centerfire caliber.Speaking from my vast experience as an Armchair Outdoorsman and voracious reader, I think relying on a 22 limits you to squirrels and rabbits, and I have read there are hazards from relying too much on rabbit for your survival meat. My choice would be a deer cartridge, 30-30 in a lever action, 270 or above in a bolt action, will do against 2 legged predators in a pinch.
I agree with staying put, here in NJ the main roads are heavily traveled even under normal circumstances, in a mass panic.....
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So, with which gun would you arm your bear?
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The year: 1972

The movie: Rage

The star: George C. Scott

The REAL star (in 13 year old sigp220.45's little brain): The AR7, wielded by a very pissed off Mr Scott.

If you go to the Wiki page for the movie you can see what is possibly the only movie poster to feature this rifle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_%281972_film%29
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Well I'm not sure it is my front line choice for a survival weapon, I have an original Armalite AR-7. It has functioned flawlessly for me. Been to the range a bunch of times and digested everything I fed it.



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We are overdue for a "can I shoot +P in it" thread too..... sheriffoconee


I hope I don't get it locked (or me a warning) by my usual response in "SHTF rifle" threads when I state that all you EVER need is a single shot 22 and 1 bullet.... to get started.



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I like short answers. So I have glossed over the other long ones, makes my old eyes tired. Run what ya brung. A .22 or .410 is fine for small game. I prefer a .45acp pistol on the hip, a .223 CAR on the sling. I can hump enough ammo for both till I kill to get more ammo. I believe I can kill with a .22 just prefer to get the job done more efficiently.
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