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Have you in the past or plan to in the future writing a article on the J.P. Sauer Model 38H ?
Somewhere (?) packed away I have one and do not know if it is a Military model or not ?
I've not done an article on it or as yet planned to. This was an interesting model, made in quantity from 1939 through the war years. It was apparently popular with the fallschirmjagers, the German paratroopers. It was a double action .32 ACP (7.65mm) somewhat similar to the Walther PP. Military guns should have an a waffenamt eagle stamp over a number, usually "37", and may also carry the standard commercial proof of an eagle over "N".

At such time as I can find or buy one to examine and photograph, I may very well consider writing it up. Good suggestion.

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Hi, I bought one of these for $50 at a pawn shop. According to your info it was the 159,557th produced at serial #859558 making it one of the wartime pistols produced from 40'-45'? It has the Eagle over the N on the right trigger guard, but it also has an Eagle on the left trigger guard with an L below and to the right of that eagle. The barrel has a matching serial number. I'd love to know more about my gun, which branch of the military used it, etc.

Thank you for writing the article, and thanks for your feedback!
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The 32 acp is the most reliable and just as good as the 380 and you get one more round. Use ball for defense in both to insure penetration to vitals and reliability.The French made the HSC for a few years after WW2 for the Foreign Legion and police. The French used them even in Nam.
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The Mauser HSc is probably more reliable than the average pocket pistol but don't expect too much of it. They stopped making the HSc a few years after the war because it never could live up to it's main rival, the Walther PPK, in terms of reliability. In my opinion it was overly complicated at the expense of reliability with too many parts serving dual purposes. The one I have doesn't make it through a box of 50 rounds without a jam (usually a feeding problem). But then again, you may be lucky and yours may work much better. Try it and see. If you can put a couple of hundred rounds through it without a problem then it's a keeper.
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I have always liked the HSc, and will eventually get one when I find the right combo of price and condition on a 7.65 version. Nice write up on them.
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I bought a Mauser HSc in the 800k serial range, it has the eagle over N on the right side, but nothing on the left and it has wood grips. I assume this is a commercial one that wasn't commissioned by the military but was carried by someone in the military that bought it commercially. It has no import markings. Paid about 700 bucks for it, is that about right?

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I just got two of them yesterday, from both ends of the production range. The first is one of the early ones that has a lanyard hole in the base of the grip, and has matting in the sighting groove. That didn't last long.

The other one is made by the French occupying forces from parts left at Oberndorf when they seized it. They also installed a lanyard loop for police use.

Josefius: The military acceptance stamp is a tiny mark on the left side, on the bottom rear web of the trigger guard. It's actually an eagle with a number under it; in the case of Mauser usually 655. There's another civilian proof, eagle over N, on the right hand web. I think all the Mauser HSc's had wooden grips.
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@cyrano, I'll look again when I pick it up on the first. I believe mine has a lanyard hole too. I believe the late war ones had mostly black Bakelite grips. I'll post pictures when I get it. Would be cool if it had a Kriegsmarine proof. I also find it interesting that the designer of this pistol went on to co-found H&K and designed the H&K P4 around this weapon.

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Josefius. H&K was founded by Heckler and Koch, two former Mauser engineers. The designer of the HSc was Alex Seidel. I know very little about Seidel but quite possibly he worked at H&K after the war
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Here are my first images, the serial number is in the 803xxx range, and from that I researched it was made in 1942. There is no Military stamp on the left side of the trigger, bit it has the eagle over N on the right side and the eagle over N on the front right of the slide and on the barrel breach. All serial numbers match. No import stamp of course.





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Weather was good today so I had two HSc's out, with serial numbers from both ends of the spectrum. First was a 700,000 series, an early one with high gloss finish, matting in the sighting groove and a lanyard hole in the butt. Next was a 900,000 SN, assembled from parts during the French occupation of Oberndorf following WW II. It had a lanyard ring attached to the butt and was used by the French police. Had period magazines for both. Amazing how much the internal machining had been modified and simplified in the later pistol. I was shooting some light cast bullet handloads, and both pistols performed flawlessly. Shot several magazines full out of the three magazines I had with me. At 25 yards, both pistols had all their shots in the chest area. My groups wee actually smaller than those of two other gusy out there, both with 'tactical' 45s, shooting two handed. I'm happy.
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I always liked the look/style of these guns. They must have been the inspiration for the Whitney Wolverine 22lr after the war. The Whitney looks like a stretched and slanted version of the Mauser.
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I have always like the looks of the HSc, but never had the opportunity to buy one, until a couple of weeks ago one of my friends noticed on in the gun shop we were at. It came home with me Monday. I shot 21 rounds through it at 7 yards, one failure to feed in each of the first two mags, none on the third. I am still healing from the hammer bite. Mine is 01.256xx, looks new, box and one mag. Does anyone know where i can find a magazine with the extension?

Great article and timely for me. I remembered reading it earlier and looked it up when i got the gun.
A Mauser HSc was my first pocket auto, purchased in the early '80s. Worked fine but the hammer would hit the web of my hand every time! Made for a bloody mess. Suffered for about a year or two and finally swapped it off. Still, tempted to get another, even though the last one I had, a "low grip screw" version did the same thing. Was happy to let a collector have that one!

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Weather was good today so I had two HSc's out, with serial numbers from both ends of the spectrum. First was a 700,000 series, an early one with high gloss finish, matting in the sighting groove and a lanyard hole in the butt. Next was a 900,000 SN, assembled from parts during the French occupation of Oberndorf following WW II. It had a lanyard ring attached to the butt and was used by the French police. Had period magazines for both. Amazing how much the internal machining had been modified and simplified in the later pistol. I was shooting some light cast bullet handloads, and both pistols performed flawlessly. Shot several magazines full out of the three magazines I had with me. At 25 yards, both pistols had all their shots in the chest area. My groups wee actually smaller than those of two other gusy out there, both with 'tactical' 45s, shooting two handed. I'm happy.
I am happy to hear that yours works so flawlessly. I have mine for 20+ years already and it's not exactly a prime example of reliability. even though I tried several different period original magazines, replaced all springs, had a gunsmith disassemble, check and clean all internal parts, it still doesn't operate without feeding failures of at least one per box of ammo.....
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Shot mine at the range today, no malfunctions, love the pistol even though I get hammer bite. I guess my hands are a bit big.


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use one of those ultra thin leather police gloves......
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I fondled the Mauser HsC at Greentop Sporting Goods in Ashland, VA, every time I went there for about a year in the '70s. If concealed carry was doable back then, I would have bought one. I imagine there were other guns as well that would have been much more successful had citizens been able to carry.
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I, too, have a fat hand (some say I have a fat head too), and I suffer from hammer bite with the Colt 45, but not the HSc. I pretty much have to have a beavertail grip safety on a 45 or I'm going to lose some blueing to blood. It's hard for me to understand how it happens with the HSc, as the hammer thumbpiece is so small and seems to me to be located pretty far above my hand.
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I think I was shooting some hot rounds, and the recoil pushed into my hand, I shot again today and held it tighter and I didn't get any more bite. Must have been me and the S&B hot rounds?
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Before shooting I just put one of the small round bandaids on the spot that gets bit.
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Josefius, Welcome to the Forum!

Congrats on your newest. In the little experience I've had with .32 ACP ammo out of a PPK/s my Dad had the S&B was a good bit hotter than the Remington ammo I also shot. The fact it was labeled as 7.65mm might have something to do with it.
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Congrats on your newest. In the little experience I've had with .32 ACP ammo out of a PPK/s my Dad had the S&B was a good bit hotter than the Remington ammo I also shot. The fact it was labeled as 7.65mm might have something to do with it.
Thanks, I really like this pistol also, I just think S&B run their ammo hot, I'm pretty sure 7.65 Browning is the same round as .32 ACP. I also have a question, Is it normal to have a problem chambering a round with the safety on? Both racking the slide and having the magazine close the slide on insertion fails to go into battery, with the safety off, it functions fine. maybe the magazine needs cleaning? Or is that as intended?

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Thanks, I really like this pistol also, I just think S&B run their ammo hot, I'm pretty sure 7.65 Browning is the same round as .32 ACP. I also have a question, Is it normal to have a problem chambering a round with the safety on? Both racking the slide and having the magazine close the slide on insertion fails to go into battery, with the safety off, it functions fine. maybe the magazine needs cleaning? Or is that as intended?
1. 7.65 Browning and .32ACP are the same. The first is the European designation and the second is the US name for the same cartridge.

2. The pistol is designed to aurtomatically chamber a round by inserting the mag regardless of the position of the safety lever. This said, you should also be able to chamber a round by racking the slide with or without the safety on. However, as I said in an earlier post, in general these pistols are not a marvel of reliability and you are really lucky if yours runs without problems after the first round is loaded. Just keep the safety off when chambering the first round.
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These guns are like women. You must hold onto them very tightly or they will bite you! Limp wristers not allowed to handle these girls. Here's mine, the gun, not my woman.
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I think it's more a question of the hands. If you have meaty hands with excess fatty tissue, then that gun will bite you. The HSc likes the skiny, bony type of hands better......
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there's a great new book on the HSc: "The Mauser HSc Pistol" by Alan Burnham and Peter Theodore. Covers the development in some detail including the two designs of HSv: rotating barrel and locking block versions. Lots on HSc variants, markings, holsters, etc. Also
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I too, doubled-springed my Mauser. It now functions 100% with FMJ or HP ammo. Now holds only 6 rounds though. Gonna change out the barrel recoil spring for good measure. Wolff on the way.
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I took some advice here and double springed my gun's magazine, using the old German mag spring and a new K-Mag spring. The mag is REALLY stiff to load now with only 6 rounds, but the misfeeding problems are history and I have a reliable carry gun, that handles FMJ and HP ammo. Really glad I decided to keep it and work out the bugs.
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Paladin, thank you for the nice article! Very interesting to learn the history of pistols. This is my wartime HSc, serial #753XXX. It bears the Eagle-L marking which I think identifies it as a Nazi Police model.



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Nice ensemble of Mausers, Beetle.
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Thanks for a great write up on the HSC.
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Wow, Beetledude!! A very pretty pe-war commercial Mauser C 96 and a zig-zag that looks like it's a 9mm. And, yes, the eagle L is a police marking; I've seen it on HSc's and Mauser Banner Lugers.
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Just an update on mine. The new Wolff barrel recoil spring arrived today. It was quite a bit longer than the old worn out one. After double springing the mag and now installing the new Wolff recoil spring, the gun is running flawlessly. Also got a new mag spring and firing pin spring, but I'll just keep them in a little parts baggie, along with the old recoil spring as back up spare parts.

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Just an update on mine. The new Wolff barrel recoil spring arrived today. It was quite a bit longer than the old worn out one. After double springing the mag and now installing the new Wolff recoil spring, the gun is running flawlessly. Also got a new mag spring and hammer spring, but I'll just keep them in a little parts baggie, along with the old recoil spring as back up spare parts.
I changed out all the springs in my HSc and reliability improved somewhat. I didn't do anything with the mags yet (I have three). They all have one spring (probably worn out).
What is meant by "double springing the mags" ???

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Double springing= take 2 mag springs. Lay 1 on the work table. Lay the 2nd over/on top of the 1 on the table. Push them together so they mesh into each other. Re install in mag body. The spring tension on the follower will now be noticeably stronger. Loading each round will also be more difficult. I used 1old factory mag spring and 1 new spring from a K-Mag brand magazine. I bet 2 older ones will work just as well, when you join them together.

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or a article on the mauser m10
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or a article on the mauser m10
I did in fact do an article on the early Mauser pocket pistols, including the Model 10. It's a chapter in my book 101 Classic Firearms, available from Dillon Precision.

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No - factory records show that the "01" prefix designates the .380 models. You may have a factory mis-stamp or someone switched frames/slides along the way. My .380 (illustrated) has an "01" prefix, which is proper. Incidentally, Dillon's Blue Press catalog/magazine will feature this article as the centerpiece for the April issue, which will come out in early March.

Hope this helps.

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I know this post was almost 3 years ago, however I have an interesting twist to this post. I too, have a 9mm Kurz that the serial number starts with 00. Now before you give me the same answer...my serial number is one digit (last digit off of the previous poster!!!!!)
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I know this post was almost 3 years ago, however I have an interesting twist to this post. I too, have a 9mm Kurz that the serial number starts with 00. Now before you give me the same answer...my serial number is one digit (last digit off of the previous poster!!!!!)
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Sounds like a small series of factory boo-boos to me. This is evidently not singular, but strangely coincidental, as two from the same batch of serials have the out-of-the-ordinary .380 prefix. I'm suspecting these were "monday" guns where some .32 caliber frames got processed into .380s. Who knows? Interesting, though.

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Sounds like a small series of factory boo-boos to me. This is evidently not singular, but strangely coincidental, as two from the same batch of serials have the out-of-the-ordinary .380 prefix. I'm suspecting these were "monday" guns where some .32 caliber frames got processed into .380s. Who knows? Interesting, though.

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Thanks for the quick response John!
Any ideas on how I can research this further? I tried sending the original poster a message, but it doesn't look like he's been around past 2013. This IS interesting and puts a twist on putting a value on the gun (my original trek that lead me to this forum! ....and the sequential serial numbers! How rare to run across that! )

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Any ideas on how I can research this further? I tried sending the original poster a message, but it doesn't look like he's been around past 2013. This IS interesting and puts a twist on putting a value on the gun (my original trek that lead me to this forum! ....and the sequential serial numbers! How rare to run across that! )

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Terry, I'm at a loss to guide you further. I've done a lot of reading on Mauser rifles and pistols, but this is the first time I've encountered this anomaly. As far as I know, it's undocumented anywhere, and because it's apparently a rare mixup at the factory, this may be the first time it's been noticed.

As far as value goes, as always, it's what the seller is willing to sell it for, and the buyer is willing to pay. I suspect Mauser pistol collectors would be your primary target - perhaps there is a forum similar to this one on the interweb - ???

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Get it in 32acp they run better. The Germans used 32acp not 380 in both world wars. Better than 380 and one more shot to boot. The 32acp in European loads like Fio. Will run 1000fps+ and out penetrate a 380 . For self defense use ball in both.

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MauserGuns | A gun collectors web site. They have a sub-forum dedicated to the HSc.
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My post-war Interarms .380 worked just fine after being advised
that it was designed with ball ammo in mind.
Works fine now, thanks for starting this, John.
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I just purchased a mauser model HSc 380 acp. I tried it on the field and was surprised by its good aim and firing cycle. Of course I'll load it with fmj.
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