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Old 09-16-2013, 05:42 AM
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I've owned two different Tracker revolvers and found them to be very nice, solid, reliable guns. The Tracker 992 I own is very innovative with the way you can swap the interchangeable cylinders for .22lr/22wmr so quickly. The Trackers are very beefy and I don't ever worry about breaking one.
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Taurus are what they are.

A cheap copy of something else.
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Did you ever see the Michael Keaton movie "Multiplicity"?

..."You know how sometimes when you make a copy of a copy, it's not quite as sharp as the original..."

It's like that...
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Difference is when your smith is worn out and needs to be replaced. It will cost you money. A lot.

The Taurus. It wears out.....EVER....they'll give you a replacement. FOREVER.

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That's not a "difference" that I consider when buying a gun. Like anything else quality should be first and foremost. Not cost.

Is that difference worth having to send it back to the factory for something that should have been done right the first time?

It's like buying cheap a car with a 10 year warranty. If it's always in for repairs what good is it?

If I somehow wore out a S&W in my lifetime I would be happy that I got my moneys worth and buy another.

The difference could be that all of my guns could be used for self defense. I won't rely on a cheap second rate copy for that purpose.

Ever had a gun break on you when you're out having fun with it? I have. The fun ended quickly.
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I'm just curious as to why people bash Taurus so much. Now granted I haven't bought anything from them since the late 80's or early 90's but I have an early Model 92 clone of the Beretta plus my wife has the Model 85 .38 Spcl. and we have always found them to be an excellent weapons. I remember at the time I bought the 92 that the Beretta was $200 more, came with a 1 year warranty and plastic grips while the Taurus came with a lifetime warranty and wood grips. It seemed to me from just the warranty alone that Taurus had more confidence in their pistol than did Beretta. Has the Taurus quality gone downhill since then?

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IMHO, it had nowhere to go but uphill. Admittedly, I haven't bought a Taurus since the mid 90's so won't claim my experience against new production. Still, back in my younger days where money was tight and my opinions were based on wish's vs reality, I thought S&W's to be overpriced. Consequently, I bought into the Taurus coolaid ( largely based on their warranty). In the end, of the five Taurus revolvers I purchased, only two were of decent quality. Of the other three, one went back to the factory three times for a front sight that was skewed. ( and never was fixed right). (Poor QA) Another wore itself sloppy after less than 200 rounds of 38spl target ammo. ( Poor Metallurgy) The last actually blew up in my hand on it's first time to the range. My gunsmith inspected the gun and found that the forcing cone had not been cut.
( Poor process and QA). In all three cases, I had to fight with the factory to get satisfaction ( and rarely did.)

Bottom Line, I believe a 60% failure rate and a KABOOM give me the right to bash away. There will be no further experimenting with this brand. I have since learned that there are a couple of decent second string brands out there but nothing that comes close to Colt and S&W revolver quality.
I've also learned that a few bucks saved up front is not necessarily a good thing.

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I've experienced both sides of the Taurus personality and in my case it was about 40% good 60% bad .

The good; Model 917 Tracker .22, Accurate, tight B/C gap made it easy to clean heavy DA trigger but the SA pull was crisp. Sold it. Model 431 .44 Special made in 1992. Great gun, decided not to carry it, sold it to a happy member here on the Forum. Model 605 .357 Snubby. Was my first CCW gun. Very accurate and the trigger wore in to smooth as butter. Sold it to someone who had theirs stolen and wanted an exact replacement. Model PT1911-9MM, Very nice 9MM 1911 for a fair price! My wife loves it.

The Bad; PT-22 the Brazilian knock-off of the Beretta. The slide would fall-off while shooting! Taurus had it for three months and sent it back saying "No problem found". Traded.
Model 94, .22 LR. The single action pull was above the 14lbs my gauge reads! Timing was off and grouped 6 inches at 25 feet! Traded. Model 85 UL .38 Special snub nose. Accurate but unreliable. The trigger was very east to short-stroke causing the cylinder to stop before lock-up. Never, ever had that happen with an S&W. Also, the yoke retaining screw holds by just 1.5 threads. After just four range outings the screw popped loose. Taurus would not sell me a replacement screw. They wanted me to pay to FedEX them the gun for a $8 part.
Traded it to a dealer who got the part by giving Taurus the SN to a new gun and saying the screw was defective.
We had two PT-738 .380's mine was flawless. My wife's required two trips back to Florida and two new mags before it would function. Sold both of them.
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I had a 5 shot 3" fixed sight Taurus 44 special. It was an excellent and I was very happy with it though it did shoot a little high. I currently have a Taurus TCP 380 that is perfectly reliable and very accurate and I would rate it above the Kel tec and Ruger 380s that I used to own.
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What became of "GLOCK BASHING"??
I'll admit that I own a Glock. I'll never own another Taurus. Even Glock owners have some self respect :-)
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Show me a Taurus that was made in 1917 and went thru 2 wars and STILL shoots great!
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I own 2 Taurus .380s. Not problems with either. They'll eat anything I put in them. I have 2 friends that own Taurus's. No trouble with either of those. Won't hear me bashing them.
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Oh yeah.
We have to let them pick on something.
Otherwise, they eat each other!
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A few years ago I bought a Taurus Millennium for my daughter. I decided to shoot it before I showed her how to shoot it.

It was good for exactly 1 shot! It would not chamber the next round. The firing pin jammed forward and blocked the next round. That was a good thing since it probably would have fired the next round since the pin was sticking out the front of the slide.

I took it back to the dealer and he gave me a credit on it. I bought a used Glock 26 from him and have not had any problems with it.

That experience made me decide to never buy a Taurus produce again.
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Why bash Taurus? Why not?! It's almost as much fun as bashing the French!
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I have the Taurus M608. It is a large frame 8 shot 4" ported barrel. Never had any issues. Shoots 158gr 357 with ease. It is my only Taurus and I doubt I will buy another one unless it is super cheap. It seems the large frame revolvers and the PT92 & PT99 guns seem to be solid performers but the rest are ****. I bet if Taurus were to move to the U.S., their quality would improve. They do have some nice looking guns but that is far as I would go: Here is a picture of the M608:
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Even the Brazillian National Police won't use them. They still buy Smith & Wessons!
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Taurus is already in the U.S. (Florida).

I bought a PT92 AFS 15 or so years ago, made in the Beretta Factory with Beretta tooling. One GREAT GUN that I'd stake my life on any and every day of the week. It has well over a few thousand rounds and never not once missed a beat. Love this Taurus. Also had a 5 shot Airweight Titanium revolver, hundreds of rounds, wonderful super accurate little gun. My daughter loved it so much it's hers today.
One more, 357 mag 6" barrel, stainless....super accurate, hundreds and hundreds of rounds, still as tight today as it was 20? years ago. ZERO issues ever.
I have NO reason to NOT be a Taurus fan. I dont have safe queens either, mine hit the range REGULARLY. I would buy another Taurus without question if it feels good to my hands.

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Garbage....simple.

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I've owned several Taurus revolvers over the years and never had any trouble with any of them. Most of them I bought used, and subjected them to the same checkout I'd give a Smith & Wesson, or a Colt. Maybe that helps cull out the bad ones, I don't know. They've all been older ones I suppose, with the newest of them having been made in 1994, the oldest in the late 70's is about as close as I've been able to determine.

I've got two of them now, a Model 96, 22, and a Model 65, 357(more or less "copies" of the Model 17 and Model 13). I paid less than $300.00 OTD for each. I consider them to be good buys.
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Had a PT 99 years ago shoot the **** out if it with no issues at all ran 100% sold it to fund another gun and had kicked myself.. Learned not to do that unless I hate the gun.. Now I just picked up a Taurua PT 1911. I know 1911's well and know what to check.. There are a lot of dogs that make it out of there factory bad CQ but if you know your dealer and check the gun over really well for fit and finish this is one gun that will do well.. It can out shoot most shooters and you can run it out of the box.. I would not buy most of what taurus puts out! The Beretta's full size and the 1911 copys they make can be very good guns!! Be carful and check them out well.. Georgre
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I'm just curious as to why people bash Taurus so much. Now granted I haven't bought anything from them since the late 80's or early 90's but I have an early Model 92 clone of the Beretta plus my wife has the Model 85 .38 Spcl. and we have always found them to be an excellent weapons. I remember at the time I bought the 92 that the Beretta was $200 more, came with a 1 year warranty and plastic grips while the Taurus came with a lifetime warranty and wood grips. It seemed to me from just the warranty alone that Taurus had more confidence in their pistol than did Beretta. Has the Taurus quality gone downhill since then?

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What became of "GLOCK BASHING"??
Bashing Taurus is easy, Glock at least makes a quality product - might be ugly as a mud fence and as chunky as the reaaallllllyyyyy fat chick you went to school with, but a quality product none the less.

......and don't forget the French, we can always bash the French.
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My dad has a Taurus 738 and has lots of jams even after I did a bit of work polishing and adjusting the mag lips. Got it down from a stovepipe every third round to maybe one per magazine. Might have to be a bit more aggressive with the adjustments but since I was relatively new to shooting and even newer to gunsmithing I didn't want to go too far without testing.
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Taurus Firearms Forum - TaurusArmed.net
LOL! There's always a Taurus forum. I don't frequent it, but you may find some Smith and Wesson bashing there.
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I've carried a Taurus 605 for years and I've shot it quite a bit. It's been an honest and reliable gun. I also have a PT92AF that has given me excellent service.

But they're both 1990s vintage and, from the stories I've heard about Taurus's QC issues, that makes a difference.
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I never bash the French. I love their fries and their toast.

I've owned 3 Taurus revolvers, and been happy with them all. I don't own one now, but I haven't been turned off by them.

I actually just bought an older Rossi Model 971 .357 Mag, just because the price was right, and I knew I could flip it for double what I paid. But it locks up as tight as any of my Colts, and it's as accurate as my model 19, so I'm in no hurry to get rid of it.

So really, it's just a crapshoot!
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My dad has a Taurus 738 and has lots of jams even after I did a bit of work polishing and adjusting the mag lips. Got it down from a stovepipe every third round to maybe one per magazine. Might have to be a bit more aggressive with the adjustments but since I was relatively new to shooting and even newer to gunsmithing I didn't want to go too far without testing.
Sounds like the extractor needs tuning sounds tight too me.. Don't adjust the factory mag lips.. Been there did that! First thing too look for with stove pipes.. tool it down a bit fit should be almost lose.. George
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I'm not a taurus Fan.. There QC stinks so you have too check out the gun good.. Now they do have a few good gun that are copys and they are decent.. There PT 99 was a great gun ! Had one shot the heck out of it sold it some 20 years ago the the guy is still shooting it!! Also there PT 1911's are great if you check them out really good and know what your doing before you buy.. George
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WHEN you can have the original? Guns are not the place to pinch penny's, especially for S/D. If all were the same price, would ANYONE buy a Taurus clone/copy, OR THE ORIGINAL. I came close to buying Taurus a few times, but I knew I really wanted S&W, & was willing to wait/scrimp/save until I could get what I really wanted. I've never regretted paying too much for a FINE gun, I've regretted OFTEN paying too little for junk I ended up replacing later.
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I've had good and bad experiences with Taurus. My experience is that Taurus handguns that are produced on established designs are good to go. For example, the PT92 is basically an evolutionary branch of the original Beretta 92. The Taurus revolvers that were brought to market during the Taurus/S&W corporate step-children era are good.

I own a new-to-me Taurus PT92 circa 1999. It had a bent trigger bar. Taurus took it in, and had it back to me in 11 days (including transit and weekends) in perfect working order. I own a Taurus M66B6. It's been nothing but good to me, no issues.




(Don't be jealous of the tactical butter knife. )

I had a Taurus PT709 slim that wasn't good. I had a Taurus Judge that had timing issues. I have some trigger time on the Millineum series pistols. IMO, anything that is pure Taurus design is hit-or-miss.
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WHEN you can have the original? Guns are not the place to pinch penny's, especially for S/D. If all were the same price, would ANYONE buy a Taurus clone/copy, OR THE ORIGINAL. I came close to buying Taurus a few times, but I knew I really wanted S&W, & was willing to wait/scrimp/save until I could get what I really wanted. I've never regretted paying too much for a FINE gun, I've regretted OFTEN paying too little for junk I ended up replacing later.
Ok By a ORIGINAL 1911? You mean a Colt? Browning? Or just a top brand? You know they start at $1000,$1500, $2000,$2500 it goes on.. $499.99 street price MSRP $600 to $780 will get you a darn good enhanced 1911! You do have to look them over really good but they have a forged frame slide and barrel to start with.. You get a guy at Taurus that has been fitting them for 20 years that takes pride in his work then you have a decent gun ya even from Taurus.. Again I'm not a Taurus guy and I would bash 80% of what they make. But fact is you can get a darn good gun from them too! George
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WHEN you can have the original? Guns are not the place to pinch penny's, especially for S/D. If all were the same price, would ANYONE buy a Taurus clone/copy, OR THE ORIGINAL. I came close to buying Taurus a few times, but I knew I really wanted S&W, & was willing to wait/scrimp/save until I could get what I really wanted. I've never regretted paying too much for a FINE gun, I've regretted OFTEN paying too little for junk I ended up replacing later.
I partially agree with you. I'm mainly a semi-auto pistol enthusiast. Revolvers are range guns for me. I need a revolver around to practice the horrible double action trigger that most people whine about.

As far as the Beretta 92fs v.s. Taurus PT92, I've had both. I've detail stripped both, and found both to be almost identical. The reason I own PT92 and traded away my Beretta 92fs is my preference of safety placement. No matter how much I practiced with the Beretta 92fs, the slide mounted safety/decocker and I never got along. The Taurus PT92 frame mounted safety works better for me.
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I partially agree with you. I'm mainly a semi-auto pistol enthusiast. Revolvers are range guns for me. I need a revolver around to practice the horrible double action trigger that most people whine about.

As far as the Beretta 92fs v.s. Taurus PT92, I've had both. I've detail stripped both, and found both to be almost identical. The reason I own PT92 and traded away my Beretta 92fs is my preference of safety placement. No matter how much I practiced with the Beretta 92fs, the slide mounted safety/decocker and I never got along. The Taurus PT92 frame mounted safety works better for me.
Yep more or less the same location as a 1911 That why I got a PT99 when I did in 1990 something. long since sold it but not because it was bad but because I wanted to help fund a Colt 1911 I wanted at teh time.. I'm a 1911 guy have some Colts and yes a Taurus 1911.. It's a darn good gun! George
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WHEN you can have the original? Guns are not the place to pinch penny's, especially for S/D. If all were the same price, would ANYONE buy a Taurus clone/copy, OR THE ORIGINAL.
I guess by this logic, you drive a Mercedes-Benz or an Oldsmobile?

Most people think that Henry Ford invented the first car...not so. He didn't even invent the internal combustion engine. He did pioneer mass assembly techniques that made modern production capable of a cost-efficient car, but automobiles (steam, electric, and other propulsion methods) had been in existence for a couple of centuries (albeit not widely, and not mass produced) before Ford.

The reason I asked if you drive a Mercedes-Benz or an Oldsmobile is because the first production of automobiles was by Karl Benz in 1888 in Germany (there were others, but aren't currently making cars.) The first American car company was the Duryea Motor Wagon Company, founded in 1893, but they aren't in production. The first American car that is (or was, until recently) in production was the Oldsmobile, which was founded by Ransom E. Olds in 1902. So, if you only buy an "original" versus a "copy" then I assume (based on what is reasonably available on the market) that when it comes to cars, you either have a M-B or an Olds.

My point is that "original" versus "copy" when it comes to guns (and any other manufactured things) is ridiculous. Almost any manufactured "thing" isn't a true original...it is evolving technology that builds on similar things that went before. (Even a true original that is successful is "copied" when the patent expires.) When it comes to cars, TVs, computers, guns, or any other mass produced things, there may be some individual differences, but I can't really think of a manufactured item that is truly a one-of-a-kind uniquely-never-copied item. Even a completely custom built 1911 still uses the same mechanisms of any other 1911...maybe better machining or materials, but it's still the same basic design.
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I OWNED 3 TAURUS REVOLVERS, A .22 LR, A .22 MAG, AND A TOTAL TITANIUM .357 MAG. I WAS PLANNING THE .22 MAG AS A CARRY GUN AND THE.22LR AS A PRACTICE GUN, FOR MY WIFE. I WAS GOING TO USE THE .357 AS A TACKLE BOX GUN. I WAS LURED BY THE LOW COST AND EYE APPEAL OF THE GUNS. I HAVE OWNED AND SHOT COLTS AND S&Ws EXCLUSIVELY FOR CLOSE TO 60 YEARS. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. THESE THREE GUNS WERE JUNK, THAT COULD NOT BE GUN SMITHED INTO AN ACCEPTABLE CARRY WEAPON. I COULD NOT SELL THEM ON GUN BROKER, OR EVEN THE TAURUS FORUM. MY LGS WOULD NOT TAKE THEM IN TRADE. I ENDED UP UNLOADING THEM FOR 1/3 OF THE PURCHASE PRICE @ KITTERY TRADING POST, IN KITTERY MAINE. THEY WILL BUY ANYTHING THAT YOU DRAG INTO THE STORE. I WAS GLAD TO BE RID OF THEM. THE RETAIL CUSTOMER APPEARS TO BE THE QUALITY CONTROL INSPECTOR AT TAURUS…………
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Horrible trigger pull, heavy with a very LONG pull....
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I'm not one of those guys who can go out and spend money like a drunken sailor on leave. (My apologies to our Navy people on the Forum.) That being said, I, like many here, try to find bargains and pinch pennies on a lot of items...like socks, cotton swabs, or hemorrhoid cream.

Firearms, however, are not one of those items. It may take me awhile to save up for the quality firearm that I want, but when my personal safety or the protection of my family are in the balance, saving a couple hundred bucks by purchasing an inexpensive knock-off is not even a consideration.

I'm not going to "bash" any particular brand, because there is always someone who has one or knows somebody who has one that has worked exceptionally well and has never had a hiccup after 450,000 rounds. I'm just saying that "when push comes to shove," I'm willing to spend the extra money for a gun whose odds of going "bang" when you want it to are better than 50/50.

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I can only relate my personal experience with Taurus; I had a PT-145 which I truly loved because it looked so cool to me. I kept it a full ten years even though it is the only gun I ever owned (in my 70 years) that actually suffered catastrophic failures; not once but three times (that's why I kept it ten years....I just couldn't believe it would fail me again, and again...what are the odds). Now, I have a LOAD of handguns and never had one break (especially break to the degree of making it inoperable). The last breakage was when the plastic trigger mechanism just broke in bits; I called Taurus and they actually made me pay the shipping back to them. I have to say that paying the shipping was the straw that broke the Camel's back. They fixed it and the turnaround was excellent. As soon as I got it, I traded it in to a large gun shop and came home with and XDS-45. No more Taurus for me. Just a personal experience (s).....There is no room for mediocrity in the firearms world in my humble opinion....
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Hey don't forget some of us really do also have other brand guns then Taurus too!! I mean where is this all going? I have a Taurus PT 1911 full size.. I got it for the range not for protection!! I have Colt compact 1911's many S&W's Gen 3's and M&P's all in .45 cal my choice not to mention a S&W model 36 snuby Beretta's and oh yes a few Rugers too!! ALL are decent guns! At least the models I have are anyway! I don't even like 90% of Taurus's but one can do a lot worse then a PT 1911 for sure as you can see from some of the posts here.. I'm done P--sing now. George
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The Cure for Taurus Bashing:



That's my Hi-Point JHP45. Let the real bashing begin!
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That's my Hi-Point JHP45. Let the real bashing begin!
That's not the cure for Taurus-bashing. Lots of people say the Hi-Points have the ergonomics of a bumper jack but fire reliably.

Now if it were a Lorcin...
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I had 3 or 4 of the zinc cast guns when I was a kid .22's and 380's even a 9mm blow back. .. Again never a issue,,Heck i think some of them were better then some of the plastic guns of today!
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That's not the cure. Lots of people say the Hi-Points have the ergonomics of a bumper jack but fire reliably.



Now if it were a Lorcin...

Get used to the trigger and the Hi-Point has great potential for accuracy because of the fixed barrel.
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When I wanted a cheap 45, I went with the Rock Island Armory compact instead of the Taurus. For $300 I couldn't find a better pistol; excellent quality, the inside is as well finished as the outside. It even feeds wacutters without adjustment. It's sitting next to the computer as I write. I couldn't be happier.
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Everybody seems to think that the gun they own is the best one ever made, especially the people that only own 1 or a few, that's fine. I didn't mean to get anyone's knickers in a knot. I am far from rich, have never owned a new car, LET ALONE A MERCEDES. I have also went through more than my share of "inexpensive firearms" when a young newbie. After you get your bases covered with 3-6 basic guns, it becomes more about WHAT YOU WANT, THAN WHAT YOU NEED. If your heart is set on a Colt Python or Gold cup, is ANYTHING else gonna satisfy you? So you scrimp/save $, forgo going out to dinner/fast food/ eat ramen noodles 3-4 times a week, do WHATEVER you have to do for AS LONG as it takes to get what you really want. HOW BAD DO YOU REALLY WANT IT? So suppose you pay 1,500$, which if you shop wisely used will buy a real nice gun used, YES IT'S A LOT OF $ up front. Average that 1,500$ over the 30+ years of pure pleasure EVERYTIME you use it, then sell it for a profit when done with it. That 1500$ it cost originally (that you got back/maybe more when sold) works out to about the same $ you spend on chewing gum and much less than stuff you won't even remember. Since this is a S&W site I'll use them for an example. In the last 2 years I've found: a no dash mdl 681 300$, a no dash 640 stainless with rosewood presentation grips 325$, a 10 shot 617 with the IL 475$, sure it takes some patience/homework and luck but can be done. Would you REALLY prefer a Taurus clone of any of those, when the price new full boat retail plus tax/shipping/background check would cost much more? And exactly how do you find one of those 20+ year experienced Taurus master smiths? Does such a person actually exist, or are they mainly the kind of worker they can get that they have to pay the least $ that may have been flipping burgers last week, like MOST other mfgr's today?

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When I wanted a cheap 45, I went with the Rock Island Armory compact instead of the Taurus. For $300 I couldn't find a better pistol; excellent quality, the inside is as well finished as the outside. It even feeds wacutters without adjustment. It's sitting next to the computer as I write. I couldn't be happier.
RIA/Armscor makes some really good guns...and they stand behind them. I've owned several RIA 1911s, and while the finish isn't so much for pretty, they sure are good shooters.
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No.

Just...no.
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No.

Just...no.
^LOL. I hear ya my friend. I would have said the same thing a year and a half ago.

I bought that Hi-Point JHP45 just to find out for myself whether or not it truly deserved the overwhelming negative reactions on the net. It is big, it is top heavy, the grip contour is that of a packing tape dispenser. The best thing I can say about the trigger is that it is unique.

Once I got accustomed to the trigger, the ugly duckling shoots straight and is very accurate. It's been problem free over 500 rounds of 230gr LRN reloads. I really wanted to hate the Hi-Point. Pull the trigger it goes bang. It only cost me $100.

I stridently believe that a law abiding citizen of sound mind should not have to pay a high entrance fee to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. I believe that the Hi-Point's price opens the door to fierarms ownership for those law abiding citizens of sound mind who are on a strict financial budget during the current challenging economy. It fills this niche perfectly.

The Hi-Point JHP is staying in my collection because it is problem free and the resale value is peanuts. .
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