Model 513UL Raging Judge Ultra-Lite
Taurus Model: 513ULSS6 6.5' Stainless 7 rd

Why Smith&Wesson can't?

I would guess because they don't make a big enough cylinder, and therefore frame, to make this work. I bet this Taurus is really wide...

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8 shot should be possible on existing S&W frames

At the SHOT show in 2008 or 2009 one of the S&W engineers was talking about a 8 shot 44 Magnum made from Scandium and Titanium.

He also mentioned a few other odd chamberings, just as an exercise not as products.

What's next, Ferris Wheel type cylinders? Revolvers are getting too heavy & clumsy as it is. I looked at a 460 S&W at the gun store a few weeks back that had to be close to 10 lbs. The manufacturers all seem to leave the guns weight out of the technical specs. Some of them make my Redhawk feel like a lightweight, and my 629 MG seem like Scandium.

Not my style at all....a little rough on the eyes and it doesn't look very ergonomic or practical either. I'm not contesting anyone's right to own or buy or be interested in such a piece and just ribbing those that do. Feel free to tease me about the Ruger Single Six I love and adore. Clean Break

In my opinion, more weight = more precision, with the extra light you can not shoot heavy and safely, and with snuby short barrel if you shoot at 10 yards you're lucky if you get a good target at first shoot with one hand quickly and with less power and big recoil, so very difficult double taping...

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Because has a cylinder for long colt,it seems awkward and disproportionate, but it would be enough to shorten the cylinder for the 45 AR for me...

But the cylinder was toomuch fat (large) or enough acceptable for You? Maybe for a 44 magnum is'nt too sure a light cylinder and with the small diameter ...

I suspect that Taurus will weigh in at 7 kilograms or more. If you can hold that much weight at arms length for 1/2 hour or more you probably don't need a handgun, you can just drive your opponent into the ground by pushing on the top of his head. Keeping it simple that thing looks massive and I strongly suspect that it actually is massive.

As for 7 shots on an N frame, not possible in a 45 caliber. When you are pushing the limits of what is possible, a difference of 0.020 inch in diameter is very significant. What is possible with a 44 caliber may not be possible with a 45 caliber.

Now, in an effort to make things as completely clear as possible I've attached a PDF file of an N Frame cylinder showing the bore positions of 6, 7, and 8 shot 44 caliber chambers. You will note that if you try and put 7 chambers into that cylinder the wall thikness between chambers is less than 0.016 inch. As for an 8 shot, that just is NOT possible.

I will grant that if you make the cylinder larger in diameter and increase the diameter of the chamber spacing you can get a 7 shot 44 Magnum that would be completely safe. However, this would most likely be built on the current X frame or a completely new frame. Because that larger cylinder just wouldn't fit into the N frame.

Attached Files

N Frame Chambering.pdf (8.1 KB, 38 views)

Exactly. Nice clarification, scooter 123. That's exactly what I thought. It would have to be an X frame. Anything more than 6 shots in a .45 or .44 would be enormous. To think people dont like double stack .45 ACP magazines. Wait till they grip a gun like that 7 shot Taurus.

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Taurus Racing judge 3 and 6.5 inch barrel -41.4 and 47.2
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Here the smith&wesson GOVERNOR 6 rounds 2.75" barrel 29.6 oz

So what. Both the Judge and the Governor are WELL BEYOND a size that can be considered concealable. In addition because both are chambered for the 410 shotgun cartridge they both feature a LONG free bore before they engage the rifling, which means their accuracy with the 45LC or 45ACP will be degraded somewhat. If you want a better carry platform for the 45 ACP the S&W 325 is both lighter and far more concealable.

About the only area where I would consider either of these hybrids useful is in some areas of the Eastern and Southern US where poisonous snakes and Black Bears present a threat. In that case you could carry 1 or 2 rounds of 410 shot shell and then followup with the 45LC for larger predators.

It oughta have pink grips........

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Yes,I think S&W 325 Thunder Ranch is a good idea for carry(31 oz vs 40.3 of S&W 625 JM I've just considered with 6 rounds)and home defense.Unfortunately I can not find it in Europe and I will have to accommodate with the heavy 625 JM.For snakes&Bears I agree in toto.Tks for replies.

Heck I would settle for a J frame with six shots of 38 or 357?? If they can make scandium revolvers in 357 Mag why not a 6 shot 38 special??

I have the 6 shot 632 Pro 327 Fed Mag. Yes they are thinner but put out more pressure than a 38 special.

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