I am a Smith guy and have a pretty good collection. A lady friend of mine wanted to get into shooting and tried my Smith and Wesson Combat Masterpiece revolver in 22LR. She loved it and wanted a similar gun that she was able to shoot often. Not wanting to spend what I did on mine for a starter gun I got her a Taurus 94 in 22LR. I never believed all the hype about Taurus being a inferior gun and even had a Taurus 1911 at one time. Well, no more. When I gave it to her she tested the trigger pull on this brand new Taurus right out of the box and the stinking trigger freezes up. I tired to cock the hammer and a piece of metal fell out. Unbelievable!!! There is no way I wou
D ever fire a round in that gun or any Taurus ever again. I am done. That is simply unacceptable . Sure hope I can get my money back.

Happens with all makes now. All of my stuff is old, including my fine Taurus revolvers.

It sure does.......

I bought 2 Taurus M94's due to my experience with a new S&W M317.

The 317 seems fine after a trip back to S&W and the M94's haven't missed a beat.

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I have a Taurus and it has been flawless so far but mine is a large frame 357. I hear the smaller frame guns have many problems. For a 22 revolver, get a Smith or a Ruger. If you want a cheap 22 handgun that is reliable, then start looking into some pistols since very few cheap 22 revolvers out there that actually work well. My Heritage 22 works great, but the finish is mediocre at best and it shoots to the left a little.

James

I just don't like a Taurus gun and that is the way it is. Don

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That's a revolting development, no matter what the gun is. I'm sorry to hear that.
I own a Taurus 941 .22 magnum revolver, and while it's no Smith, I have no complaints.
According to manufacturer websites, the one thing Taurus has over everybody else is that they give a lifetime warranty to the GUN, not just the original owner (that's something a lot of others should catch up on).
I don't know how their customer service is, but it's nice to know my 941 has a warranty on it, even though I bought it used.
I just paid $112 to S&W for my 586 no-dash for some work to be done on it, but I sure wouldn't write off the entire S&W line just because my gun was broken.
Why not give Taurus the chance to make it right?
I'm just saying....

I have a Taurus M85 UL, 5 shot, .38 spl +P, 2" snubby. Its a solid dependable weapon. Very accurate and light weight making it, for me at least a dandy carry piece. I didn't pay nearly as much as a Smith with the same credentials sells for consequently I don't mind the occasional nick and scrape associated with daily carry.

+1. That great big Judge is, in my opinion, one of the most useless handguns ever made but, they sure are selling a bunch of 'em.

I bought three Taurus revolvers all of which quit working shortly after only a few rounds. Never again will I buy a Taurus product.

If I want a revolver , I'll buy a Smith & Wesson (or Colt, Ruger, Uberti) , not a cheap South of the Border copy.

If you'll notice , there is no such thing as a Taurus Collectors Association.

For years I was a range officer/NRA instructor at my large club (1500 members).

I saw more problems with Taurus than the big 3 combined.

While I know some people have had no problems with theirs I will stay way away from owning that brand.

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I think am done with them. Honestly, I don't feel comfortable putting a rond in something that fell apart right out of the box. Wonder if I can just get a refund.

When I sold guns , I would not stock Taurus revolvers. Wouldn't take them in trade or buy walk-ins. If a customer absolutely wanted one , I would special order it if they paid in full first , and agreed that if it had any problems , it was their problem , not mine. They could deal with the warranty/shipping/customer service/etc.

Their PT-92 and PT-99 autos actually were pretty good guns and rarely had problems. But they had very little trade-in value.

I've been lucky with their three revolvers I've owned. Sold the 8 shot 357 I had and still have a Tracker in 17hmr and snubby .41 mag. I would have preferred them to be S&Ws but all I could find at the time.
For the most part I stick with S&Ws and won't likely take any more chances with Taurus products just from what I hear about many of them.

I hope you get your money back and I would be upset with a new gun of any make like that.

Taurus has 2 good products. Their Beretta copies. Listened from Beretta and their revolvers.

I owned a Taurus revolver for many years that I had never fired. It was a .44 Special, 2.5" barrel, ported, with a titanium frame. (I can't recall the model.) I bought it some years ago, and just put it away. Finally I decided to trade it in on a Ruger Blackhawk in .44 Mag. I told the LGS guy I had never fired it.

The next time I was in his shop, he told me he had tried out the Taurus revolver...and out of 10 rounds (it had a 5 round cylinder) he said he had 8 failures to fire.

The main problem with Taurus, IMO, is not so much the lack of quality control (and with their guns, it seems you either get a good one or a bad one...no in-between) but their customer service is lacking. I have read many, many complaints about repeated services needed, lengthy wait times, etc....even on the Taurus Armed forum. Any manufacturer can have a problem, and I know all about internet hype or gripe, but still it seems that Taurus experiences far more than their share of problems.

The other problem is that Taurus weapons just do not hold their value like other guns do...especially Colt and S&W.

It's too bad, really, because Taurus does have some interesting products. I just won't buy one as long as their problems continue. Actually, I am trying to buy only American made handguns anyway, so that pretty much precludes their products.

If I may chime in......I do love my Smifs,but,not finding a used one
in good condition and reasonable in price, I saw the Taurus M94SS4(NIB)
and bought one. Took it and my other guns to the range with my
daughter and I have to say we both enjoyed ('cept the hard trigger
pull and hammer cocking out of the box) shooting it. Cleans up well til next time.I'll just dry-fire with snap caps to loosen her up.
So far, not a bad for a gun at half the price of a S&W. Time will tell.....
JMHO
YMMV

And therein lays my disdain for Taurus. Ya have to justify it's poor quality by virtue of it's low price. I realize not everyone has the money to commit to genuine S&W revolvers , but don't try to say to S&W afficionados that a Taurus is 'almost' as good as a Smith & Wesson because it's only half the price.

In my line of work (toolmaker) , if I had the attitude of, "It's good enough , if the customer doesn't like it , or it doesn't work , have them send it back and I'll try to do it right the second time!" , I'd be SO fired.

Reminds me of a sign we had at a place I worked.

"Quality is like buying oats. If you want nice clean oats , you must pay a fair price. If you're satisfied with oats that have already been thru the horse, that comes a bit cheaper!"

Taurus puts an atrocious hammer and trigger spring in the 22 and 22-mag revolvers. They can be tamed with Wolff springs and be turned into pretty good shooters. I have owned several in 22, 38 and 327 Magnum. My success rate is around 30%. What I mean is....most of the time when you get a new one, some "adjustments" are in order. I have had two 85's and one 327 that required light machining in the recoil-shield. The rounds would drag on the recoil shield hitting gouges and burrs left by poor machining locking-up the gun. The very first thing one should do after unpacking the revolver is strip it and clean it. Be sure to remove all the cosmoline, mill-shavings and floor sweepings. You can make a really good shooting gun out of their model 85 or the model 327 (if they still make it). Taurus goes "on-again-off-again" in their model line. It's hard to keep up with what's available.

If you are a pretty good home gunsmith, you can polish and clean one into a good shooter. QC is simply non existent. Yes...they do have a lifetime warranty but it may take you a year to get one that works after you send it back-n-forth to Miami. They eventually replaced one for me after some 4-months of waiting for a decision and yes....I had to fix the replacement they sent.

Having said all this...they really do have a couple of good things going for them. One thing is the lock. It's a shame Smith could not have invented the Taurus lock system first and we would not have all this hoop-la about the Rube Goldberg Smith IL. The other thing is the cylinder retention system, which I understand that Smith wanted to buy from Taurus, but Taurus would not let them have it.

Nice try buddy. But I still ain't buyin no Taurus!

I don't own one now either. I just went through the process of trying to as hard as I could and for as long as I could stand it. If I run across another 85 for around $100 or so...I'll fix it and throw it in the tractor tool-box.

Taurus might have a lifetime warranty on the gun but you need to pay to ship it to them. If you have to do that, it costs more than the gun is worth. Plus you wait a "lifetime" to get it back.
They have no resale or trade in value. Their revolvers are probably worse than their semi autos. They have some nice designs (ones they didn't copy) several LGS no longer carry them as they had too many problems. Their 1911 has some good reviews but have not heard of any other good ones. Years ago I had two of the PT Millenum series. A 9mm and a 45 acp. Never had a problem with them, they went bang but I still don't know where the bullets went. The ergonomics were great.

The Interarm Rossi's seem to be a little better before Taurus took them over.

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I notice that so far most of the negative talk about Taurus in just this thread has also been said much the same about S&W in this forum. I also notice that all it seems to take is the mere mention of Taurus for the brand bashing to start up with the usual comments. Go to the Taurus Armed forum and find the factory tour thread. Take note of the sheer volume of firearms they move. Note the size of the repair dept. Any brand of gun has failures on record. None of them have the Holy Grail status that we may wish they should have. The Colt vs. S&W debate will never die. And my Taurus M445 shoots .44 specials just fine and is a blast at the range and all kinds of fun to reload for it. Why did I buy it? Because I wanted an all steel five shot .44 special and S&W won't make the 696 anymore and used they cost an arm and a leg. Neither has my bullet hose of a PT-92 ever failed me. I no longer know where I'm going with this. All I know is the constant Taurus bashing threads must just be getting on my nerves. I will do my best to avoid them in the future. I mean no offense to those that don't care for them and will just cut it off here.

The PT92 is a direct copy of Beretta licensed by Beretta. You are basically shooting a Beretta with a different name stamped on it.

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S&W and Taurus are competetors, the new accepted norm.

I've had good results with all the Taurus revolvers I've owned. Taurus doesn't do a good job cleaning the interior of their guns - lots of **** in there. My local gunsmith charges an hour labor to do what should have been done at final assembly - clean, lube, adjust as necessary. They feel and shoot just like my Smiths, only ain't nearly as purdy.

OK, Lets Switch to Glocks then. Only they seem to work.

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I'm tellin' ya'. Taurus don't mind taking them back under warranty. I know....been there and done that. The problem is...they stay in the revolving door, or should I say the revolving FedEx truck. It's not too uncommon to send one back-n-fourth multiple times until it goes before what they call the Review Board. The Review Board decides if a gun warrants replacement, or can be fixed. Once your gun goes to the Review Board, it's sure to be stuck in that deep dark hole for a good six-weeks. I got one stuck in review once and the replacement I received had to be fixed. That was my breaking-point. YES....there are many good Taurus guns out there shooting away, but there are also way too many stories just like the one in the article posted above to make believers out of many would-be purchasers.

I won't mention his name, but this testimony doesn't say much for the gun writer who bragged in print about the high South American work ethic of Taurus guns, does it?

Also doesn't say much for the significance of their ISO 9001 rating.

I won't buy a Taurus. Rather look for a used Smith or Ruger.

I'm glad my M605 doesn't have whatever that issue is. Lots of .38's through that one. Not many .357's as my hand just doesn't want to work for long after that. But I have to give them credit for a decent boot grip design even if it is ugmo.

Don't take it personal. Some of us have earned the right to bash Taurus. And I will do so every time one of these threads comes up.

Not bashing Taurus owners mind you, just the gun.

I have purchased 7 or 8 Taurus guns. All were new. And all failed within 50 rounds or so. And no, I'm not hard on guns.

I gave them an honest chance and they failed. They work for some folks and I'm and genuinely happy for them. But Taurus is more "miss" than "hit". I don't want to go through those frustrating games again.

I have a model 29-2 with a cracked frame!

I had a Taurus model 83 4" adjustable sight 38 spl, it shot fine and I never had any problems, but double action trigger was horrible. Fit and finish was lacking. But it worked. It was an older gun, made in 1993. I have not heard much good about their newer stuff.

Kinda like going on a Chevy forum and wanting to talk about how great Yugos are.

Apparently Taurus makes two different types of handguns, ones that are a very good value for the money or one that will never be right no matter how many trips it may get to the warranty canter.
I’ve owned a 2” Taurus M-617, a knock off of the S&W M681, for three or so years, I've put somewhere between 2,000- 3,000 rounds of assorted 38 special +P, +P+, and .357 Magnum ammo through it without a problem of any kind. Yet I will not willing to take a **** shoot on a second Taurus handgun.

I have over 13K rounds through my Taurus 94 stainless and while the DA trigger IS a little heavy I've never had the need to post a "Why are there so many duds in Brand X bulk ammo threads." Yeas, at the time I bought it if I could have found a used S&W 22 at the same price as a new Taurus I'd have bought the S&W. But that was over 10 years ago and I'm still looking.

Well as a deciding point for all those who insist on Buying American, only 3 Taurus firearms are made in the USA. The PT 22, PT 25 and the TCP 738. The rest come from Brazil.

They are repaired in Miami Fl and have a state of the art plant there.

Oh , and they use MIM parts.

Just think, SW and Taurus were once related.

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I can stand in front of a state-of-the-art lathe all day long and it won't do a thing.

No one is bashing Hi Point over on the Taurus board.

Canted barrels, cracked frames, tool marks, chattering in the bore, cracked MIM parts, cracked forged parts, poor lock up, bad cylinder timing, barrels breaking off, poor machining on extractor star... Funny, one would think these are all only Taurus complaints but these same complaints pop up here with fair regularity. The difference is that we sometimes want to place S&W on this pedestal like they are the pinnacle of firearms perfection. Or at least some of us talk that way. I still get a good laugh out of that old ad that shows a hamburger in the shape of a GP100 on a bun. It said something about how they only want thickness in a burger and not their gun. It was a poke at how Ruger casts the GP100 frame and how S&W uses forged steel in their frames. My point is I like bashing when it's clever and not ugly, but the constant bashing here is borderline childish at times.

It's not childish if you have purchased a half-dozen or so and tried to get at least half of them to work out-of-the-box. If you're not a home-spun gunsmith (or really lucky) and purchase a new Taurus....you're SOL. I actually do not care to own any recent S&W either, so I agree with you on that point. I think QC is slipping at Holy Grail HQ as well.

Who do they bash on the Charter Arms Forum?

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Childish or not, Taurus has problems with their new guns. More than any other gun maker. That's a fact. So they deserve to be bashed. There's nothing childish about telling the truth. It's childish to support a company such as Taurus and act like they are picked on for no reason.

Ummmm, Jennings? Davis?

Bob, do you really think the "failure rate" of any kind is the same for S&W as it is for Taurus/Rossi??

Ruger casts a lot of stuff, not just for Ruger and not just gun parts. They cast frames for other gun makers.

Glocks are constantly bashed and they seem to be the only guns that blow up ( I do not believe it)

Many,many here on the forum own them but call them "tools" The SW versions are nothing but direct copies, but them seem to be accepted cause they are SW.

How many pro or competition shooters are using Taurus guns?
How many Military or LEO? (maybe in S America)

What's a Taurus worth when you sell or trade it?

As I mentioned, some of their designs are great and their semi autos seem to fair better. The revolvers just have a bad track record overall.

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Taurus semi-auto's are complete garbage.

I am disgusted by its FTF issues every 30 rounds.

Well, this is nice. They won't refund my money. They wil only fix the problem. I filed a compliant with the Better Business Bueruea today. Hope they can do something about it. Honestly, I wouldn't even feel comfortable selling it to someone after they supposedly fix it. Who knows what else is wrong with it. I don't know how they stay in business. I do know they have lost my business and I will strongly discourage anyone from buying anything from them.

Taurus does have a policy that if the can not fix a gun in (I think) 60 days or less than they will replace it. But that being said no company will replace a gun without first attempting to fix the problem which is reasonable. Problem with Taurus VS SW or some other companies (even Kel Tec) who will send you a call tag, is that the owner has to pay to ship it to Miami unless you guns shop will foot the shipping for you.

Good luck

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I mentioned this in another post, but Taurus has a "Review Board". Nobody seems to know how often they meet. Even the Taurus guys think it's a bunch of folks huddled-up in a room filled with cigar smoke and they flip a coin in the decision-making process. They will replace a gun, but you have to prove that it can't be fixed, which unfortunately for the OP.....may take 2-3 trips to Miami. You're going to have to give them a chance to fix it. If they don't, it will then go before review for a replacement. You could be (at least) weeks away or months to get a good gun...if that even ever happens. They don't mind waiting you out....Public Relations is not one of their strong points.