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Old 03-05-2013, 08:02 PM
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Starting April 24, the TSA will allow small knives on aircraft, with blade lengths of less than 2.4 inches (Six (6) CM.).

Other changes too, such as Two Golf Clubs, Hockey Sticks.
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They will still be sure to humiliate the disabled and children, though. Just in case you thought they'd gone soft or something.
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Oh goody! Now the whole reason for TSA is out the door. I say we get rid of them and go back to the old days.
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That's how we got the TSA in the first place, allowing sharp weapons onto planes. How soon some forget.
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The bad news is that homeland security will now remove steak knives from Ruths Chris.....
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Knives on airplanes wasn't the problem. The problem was that the terrorists changed the existing paradigm and caught everyone off guard. Up to then the official advice was to remain calm, do nothing to provoke the terrorists, and that the authorities would find a way to resolve the situation. The people on the plane were hostages to try to force the government to do what the terrorists wanted.

On September 11, the terrorists didn't want hostages. They wanted the airplanes which they intended to, and did, turn into cruise missiles. Their only interest in the passengers was keeping them in their seats until the planes flew into their targets.

That's what happened on three of the four planes, but on the fourth one the passengers had already found out what happened and decided to go down fighting. Which is what happened.

Since that day, the passengers have not been passive when they detect a threat on board. A number of would be bombers have found that out the hard way. What amazes me is that those people weren't beaten to death by the passengers.

Thus, the terrorists have tried, with little success so far, to change their tactics and blow up planes in mid air. Preferably over heavily populated areas thus maximizing the damage and casualties.

Sadly, there is not one shred of evidence that the TSA has prevented even one attack by taking away nail clippers and 3.000000001 ounces of shampoo from 80 year old ladies in wheel chairs.

The entire approach is a sham designed to fool us into thinking that the government is doing something. Security theater as the saying goes.
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According to the news tonight, the reason to allow small knives and other items was to free up the TSA to concentrate on more serious security issues.

The story went on to say that only some knives are ok. If the knife meets the size requirements BUT has a locking blade, it will not be allowed.

So, they are still going to have to check the knife to make sure it doesn't have a locking blade???? This is saving time and increasing safety how???
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Knives on airplanes wasn't the problem. The problem was that the terrorists changed the existing paradigm and caught everyone off guard. Up to then the official advice was to remain calm, do nothing to provoke the terrorists, and that the authorities would find a way to resolve the situation. The people on the plane were hostages to try to force the government to do what the terrorists wanted.

On September 11, the terrorists didn't want hostages. They wanted the airplanes which they intended to, and did, turn into cruise missiles. Their only interest in the passengers was keeping them in their seats until the planes flew into their targets.
I'm sorry, but the knives were a major enabling factor for the terrorists. The difference with Flight 93 is that the passengers knew what the deal was and rebelled. Sadly, the result was much the same and would have been the same if the rebelling passengers had been unable to use the radio on the plane had they gained control. The F-16s already had their orders and were prepared to ram the plane when they found it.

Coming from Europe and knowing what we went through there with airliners and airports I was simply aghast to discover that "tools of the trade" including box cutters were allowed on planes in the US. Security failed on that day due to a poor rule, plain and simple.
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I'm sorry, but the knives were a major enabling factor for the terrorists. The difference with Flight 93 is that the passengers knew what the deal was and rebelled. Sadly, the result was much the same and would have been the same if the rebelling passengers had been unable to use the radio on the plane had they gained control. The F-16s already had their orders and were prepared to ram the plane when they found it.

Coming from Europe and knowing what we went through there with airliners and airports I was simply aghast to discover that "tools of the trade" including box cutters were allowed on planes in the US. Security failed on that day due to a poor rule, plain and simple.
Using a gun control analogy, what if the TSA simply passed out 6 inch lockbacks to each passenger?

"Excuse me? You have a box-cutter? How quaint!"
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Are the TSA agents going to be armed with micrometers?
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I saw this on the news, and they said the new rule is in line with international standards.

Knives were carried on planes for decades with no problems. Blade length is limited to 6cm or 2.3 inches, with blades less than a half inch wide.

I just measured the main blade of a Victorinox Swiss Army knife. This is a Spartan model, closed length 91mm. Blade ran 7cm, but the cutting edge is just 6cm. Don't know which measure they'll define as blade length.

The smaller Executive model blade measures about 5.5cm, and is only a quarter-inch wide. It should easily pass muster.

The prohibitive airline laws have seriously impacted knife sales, according to a friend who owns a cutlery store.

I'm very grateful to see this new regulation. I feel half naked without a knife. Even an Executive model has basic cutting ability and some other useful tools.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:32 PM
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They didn't need the knives other than to kill a few people. Which they probably could have not done and still taken the planes over. It was the passive mindset that allowed them to take over, not weapons.

The result with Flight 93 was not the same. The passengers died, but they stopped the terrorists from hitting their target. Which was some building in Washington, DC.

The F 16 wouldn't have "rammed" the jet liner since that would have destroyed the aircraft and likely killed the pilot. It would have shot the plane down.

Oh, and I'll remind you that the people who have been able to smuggle bombs on board planes have all originated in Europe. So much for your terrific security. The only country that does it right is Israel. Not just in country, but at any airport that their planes fly out of.

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Coming from Europe and knowing what we went through there with airliners and airports I was simply aghast to discover that "tools of the trade" including box cutters were allowed on planes in the US. Security failed on that day due to a poor rule, plain and simple.
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I guess the agents got all the pocket knives they had room for.
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"Excuse me? You have a box-cutter? How quaint!"
Why pass out knives? I'd allow anyone with a CCW permit to carry on board the plane. After showing a CCW permit, the passenger would be asked only one question.

"How many rounds of frangible ammunition would like today?".

Unused rounds to be returned at the end of the flight.
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Laws based on blade length are just as stupid as any other knife/firearm law.

I suppose these...


...would be just fine!

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This idea is as stupid as when Los Angeles was going to mount an advertising campaign to get film crews to, "come film in Hollywood!" This is where film began, we need the same tax breaks as other states and Canada, not advertising!

BUT I digress, why is the TSA going down this road? If you can carry in your checked baggage, why do you need a teenie little knife on the plane???

I just do not get it? what a waste of energy, time, thought, money, WHAT A WASTE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS PRECIOUS!

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Yay 2.4 inches just enough to take the throat out.

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Movies actually started in New York City. They moved out to CA in the first part of the last century because the weather was more conducive to filming outside for more of the year. A lot of early movies were filmed outside as much as possible because indoor lighting wasn't all that good.

Oh, and a lot of movies are now filmed outside of Hollywood because production costs are often cheaper. Especially in Canada.

Oh, and the studios get huge tax breaks from the State of California. It's the other costs that are sky high. Not to mention the creative accounting that the studios engage in.

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This idea is as stupid as when Los Angeles was going to mount an advertising campaign to get film crews to, "come film in Hollywood!" This is where film began, we need the same tax breaks as other states and Canada, not advertising!

BUT I digress, why is the TSA going down this road? If you can carry in your checked baggage, why do you need a teenie little knife on the plane???

I just do not get it? what a waste of energy, time, thought, money, WHAT A WASTE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS PRECIOUS!

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I'm sorry, but the knives were a major enabling factor for the terrorists. The difference with Flight 93 is that the passengers knew what the deal was and rebelled. Sadly, the result was much the same and would have been the same if the rebelling passengers had been unable to use the radio on the plane had they gained control. The F-16s already had their orders and were prepared to ram the plane when they found it.

Coming from Europe and knowing what we went through there with airliners and airports I was simply aghast to discover that "tools of the trade" including box cutters were allowed on planes in the US. Security failed on that day due to a poor rule, plain and simple.
I don't understand what is meant by the F-16s would "ram the plane" wouldn't have shot it down if need be? Does RAM stand for some thing else here?
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The F 16 wouldn't have "rammed" the jet liner since that would have destroyed the aircraft and likely killed the pilot. It would have shot the plane down.
I read an interview of some of the first Air National Guard F-16 and F-15 pilots scrambled on 9/11, and more than a few took off without any weapons or ordanance on-board. These brave men, and women, were fully aware that they might have to ram any airliner or aircraft that would not obey the instructions to land immediately. My feeling is that if they had to make the ram the airliners, many, if not all of the pilots would have stayed with their aircraft until the bitter end to ensure they hit their target.

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Three memorable knife cuts todate..two were self-inflicted, one by a brother was just kids who knw better but didn;t.

The worst was from a TrimTrio..blade, fingernail file and something else combination...there are scalpels that are not as sharp as that little blade.

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TSA is a wasted effort and an intrusion on a free people. The very fact that we are subjected to body scans, feel ups, pat downs etc. is living proof that those that hit us in the first place have moved our society closer to the type of control they deem appropriate as shown in their own society. In essense...they won a huge victory bt making us shred the Constitution and allow TSA the power they have.
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Knife sales me down, but I have trouble with this reasoning.

I think they should have just left them banned. If there was some object they felt people need in there carry on, for grooming or such, they should have just listed it.
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Knife sales me down, but I have trouble with this reasoning.

I think they should have just left them banned. If there was some object they felt people need in there carry on, for grooming or such, they should have just listed it.
Well, personally, the last time I flew with a knife (in 2000) I used it to open a tough bag of snacks that I coudn't rip open with my hands or teeth. Had nothing to do with grooming, but if I'd seen that my nose hair needed trimming, I could have used the scissors on that knife.

Oh: I think I also used the toothpick in the handle. But not the corkscrew.

One reason why I want to carry a knife on a plane is to be able to, to take away from the enemy the loss of freedom they caused with 9-11-01. They affected our whole airlines experience. Since then, I hate to fly.

And this anti-knife hysteria has spread. You can't bring a knife into many buildings now or to our state fair. Some danged woman in charge of such things was smirking on TV about how that had been banned. I seriously doubt that some guy with a pocketknife is going to hijack the Texas State Fair, or even the monorail ride!

It's all about more control of what should be our rights. I shouldn't have to show a "need" for a knife. It should be included under the rights of freemen and the pursuit of happiness. The sizes the new regulation allows on planes seems okay. I'd allow three inch blades to let standard Swiss Army knives and similar items be carried.

Keep in mind that the news said that these knives are already allowed in international travel. There doesn't seem to have been an issue there.

BTW, when a gorilla escaped at the zoo here a few years ago, some people were saved from serious injury when a visitor used his pocketknife to cut a rope holding a gate shut. It enabled them to flee an area where the animal was rampaging. (Police eventually arrived and shot the ape.)

Oh: as far as ramming airliners because ready alert fighters were unarmed, that is an error in itself. What if the threat had come from an enemy bomber fleet? Our aircraft should have been armed.

No one has mentioned that using small drones may be the next way in which terrorists attack airliners. Just this week, an airlines pilot reported a mysterious drone near his plane in flight.

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Box cutters also have very short blades.

Why not make them legal again, too???

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It's all about more control of what should be our rights. I shouldn't have to show a "need" for a knife. It should be included under the rights of freemen and the pursuit of happiness.
The only problem with that, is although knives are "arms", (should be covered under the 2nd Amendment) nobody is saying you can't own or carry a knife, or have to show a need to carry. Just restricting the specs for carrying on a plane, same as restricting who can carry a gun on a plane.
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I am currently doing a class in college called aircraft/airport security.
You will always get a knife on the airplane..
How many restaurants are behind the TSA checkpoint where you are issued a knife? I can kill you with a plain spoon...
What should be mandatory are armed pilots and nothing else. We have reinforced doors installed so it is already extremely difficult to get inside the cockpit.
A procedure to depressurize the cabin in the event that hijackers are on board would give the pilots enough time to react to the threat.
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The only problem with that, is although knives are "arms", (should be covered under the 2nd Amendment) nobody is saying you can't own or carry a knife, or have to show a need to carry. Just restricting the specs for carrying on a plane, same as restricting who can carry a gun on a plane.
Well, actually, yes, they ARE saying that in many cases where this airline thing spilled over to whether you can carry a knife in a museum, a fair, the zoo, etc.
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"Well, personally, the last time I flew with a knife (in 2000) I used it to open a tough bag of snacks that I coudn't rip open with my hands or teeth. Had nothing to do with grooming, but if I'd seen that my nose hair needed trimming, I could have used the scissors on that knife."


The scissors???? OH No! I thought that was what the tweezers were for!
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"Well, personally, the last time I flew with a knife (in 2000) I used it to open a tough bag of snacks that I coudn't rip open with my hands or teeth. Had nothing to do with grooming, but if I'd seen that my nose hair needed trimming, I could have used the scissors on that knife."


The scissors???? OH No! I thought that was what the tweezers were for!

Try both and see whether the scissors or the tweezers work best for you in that role.

The tweezers, on the other hand, are better for removing splinters and such. Or hairs in your ears, if you're as old as some here.
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Well, actually, yes, they ARE saying that in many cases where this airline thing spilled over to whether you can carry a knife in a museum, a fair, the zoo, etc.
I'm talking about the TSA, not private establishments (but the difference is minor). Just as government establishments can restrict the carry of certain items, so can private establishments. The places you mentioned are not public zones (read as "someone" is liable for what goes on in them), and therefore can be restricted at the responsible party's will. Carrying guns and knives as a RIGHT is not the topic here. Carrying them in certain places, is.
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I will be very curious to see how they measure the blade. Will this be measured by the actual cutting edge or will this be measure from the hilt? Already there are so many ways to hide a blade ( I am sure some of you have seen some of these stupid gadgets at gun shows that will have a blade hidden in something benign like a working calculator or a plastic CIA dagger). I am in the business of protecting assets and the bigger game is mitigation of risk, as it is impossible to remove most risks. If there is not a positive cost/benefit ratio to mitigating a risk then why waste resources attempting to win a losing battle? You can stop upset, you can stop mad, but you can't stop crazy/evil.
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The only reason box cutters were so useful was because only the terrorists had them. No one else had anything of any use for self defense.

I see an analogy to gun free zones, where the bad guys are the only one who have firearms. Thus ensuring that they will be able to slaughter as many people as they desire without fear of anyone interfering with them.

So, yeah, I'd make box cutters legal... as long as my 3913 is legal too. That way they'd be bringing a box cutter to a gun fight.

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Box cutters also have very short blades.

Why not make them legal again, too???

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Sadly, there is not one shred of evidence that the TSA has prevented even one attack by taking away nail clippers and 3.000000001 ounces of shampoo from 80 year old ladies in wheel chairs.

The entire approach is a sham designed to fool us into thinking that the government is doing something. Security theater as the saying goes.

Bingo. It shocks me that any rational citizen of this country thinks otherwise.

You'd be a fool to try to board a plane with any knife you liked whether it meets the new regs or not. If you've ever dealt with the TSA people at the airport you know that many of them are almost entirely ignorant of their own regulations.

The new reg has nothing to do with length of cutting edge. I doubt any knife law does. Knife guys sometimes can't even agree on that. Imagine a TSA agent trying to measure the curve on a spey blade. Hilarious.

For what it's worth, here's the TSA site with the specifications of what can be carried:

Small Knives Permitted in Carry-on Luggage | Transportation Security Administration

I used to fly all the time with a 3 1/2" Hen & Rooster stockman. I managed to avoid the temptation to hijack the plane, although I was usually traveling for business and hardly ever going someplace I would have gone for enjoyment.
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the stewardess union has come out saying they want the decision rescinded and will go to court to get it.
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Or draws the state of Idaho, Florida, and in some cases, Oklahoma.
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I will be very curious to see how they measure the blade. Will this be measured by the actual cutting edge or will this be measure from the hilt?
TSA says tip to where it meets the hilt, regardless of cutting edge.
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Starting April 24, the TSA will allow small knives on aircraft, with blade lengths of less than 2.4 inches (Six (6) CM.).

Other changes too, such as Two Golf Clubs, Hockey Sticks.
From what I have read/heard in news broadcasts, the standard will be a blade length of 2.5 inches with a width of no more than 1/2 inch. I'm thinking my little Case penknife will easily meet those restrictive standards. However, I simply do not trust the tsa to be anything except completely unworthy of any trust whatsoever. I will not trust them now to act with anything except the assumptive arrogance for which they have become infamous. To suppose that the tsa or its employees will act with anything approaching a modicum of respect for the COTUS is an exercise in futility.
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I suspect this rule change is intended to allow Sikhs to carry their kirpan on aircraft.
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The only reason box cutters were so useful was because only the terrorists had them. No one else had anything of any use for self defense.

I see an analogy to gun free zones, where the bad guys are the only one who have firearms. Thus ensuring that they will be able to slaughter as many people as they desire without fear of anyone interfering with them.

So, yeah, I'd make box cutters legal... as long as my 3913 is legal too. That way they'd be bringing a box cutter to a gun fight.
I think the point the Flight Attendants are making in their protest is that it doesn't take much of a blade to hold an attendant hostage, and threaten to cut her throat in order to gain access to the cockpit.

If every other passenger had a blade, that still wouldn't prevent an attendant from having her throat slashed. It would just ensure the capture/death of the perpetrator. She'd still be dead. In my opinion, most passengers wouldn't sacrifice the attendant to take out the perp, unless they were CERTAIN that the flight was doomed regardless.
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In my opinion, most passengers wouldn't sacrifice the attendant to take out the perp, unless they were CERTAIN that the flight was doomed regardless.
Or if she was really ugly.
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Box cutters also have very short blades.
I think the term box cutter refers to two types of tools. The one I think you are referring to uses a single sided razor blade, the blade size being about the size of a large postage stamp. I used to use one in an early job, and we all referred to the tool as a box cutter.

I think what the 9-11 terrorists used was the red or yellow handled implement that uses a long, replaceable, single edged razor blade that is slipped up and out of the handle to the desired cutting length. Maybe four inches or so if fully extended.
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Just this Monday TSA stopped me and patted me down after the scanner and sure enough, found the wooden toothpick in my shirt pocket. I'm not going to fly with any size knife, it will only lead to more hassles.
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I saw this on the news, and they said the new rule is in line with international standards.

Knives were carried on planes for decades with no problems. Blade length is limited to 6cm or 2.3 inches, with blades less than a half inch wide.

I just measured the main blade of a Victorinox Swiss Army knife. This is a Spartan model, closed length 91mm. Blade ran 7cm, but the cutting edge is just 6cm. Don't know which measure they'll define as blade length.

The smaller Executive model blade measures about 5.5cm, and is only a quarter-inch wide. It should easily pass muster.

The prohibitive airline laws have seriously impacted knife sales, according to a friend who owns a cutlery store.

I'm very grateful to see this new regulation. I feel half naked without a knife. Even an Executive model has basic cutting ability and some other useful tools.
Thanks for making one of the first sensible and polite posts on this thread.

I fly a lot, not for business but because I like to travel and see new places. The vast majority of TSA people I encounter are polite, friendly, and helpful. Yes, there are some losers there, as there are in any human endeavor...but as gun folks, one would think we'd be a little sensitive to things like stereotyping, or depicting the worst example of something as the norm.

The new rule is aimed at allowing your little keychain Victorinox or Wenger or Leatherman knife, or your money clip with the blade built in. Your tactical folder or Leatherman Wave will be prohibited because the blade locks.

This makes sense to me. Flight deck doors are now armored, and nobody is going to break into one with a Swiss Army knife. Flight crews get self-defense training now. And most importantly, the first dumb ******* who stands up in an airliner with his little Swiss Army Knife and announces a hijacking, better hope an Air Marshal is on board to save him from the passengers; the days of cooperating with terrorists are over.

The other side in our little war on terror knows this too, so the bigger threat to aviation these days comes from IEDs, and that is what TSA wants to concentrate on. Again, this makes sense to me.

I love the oft-repeated claim that TSA has never prevented a terrorist act. Unless someone works for that agency, how can you say that? Do you know everything every government agency does or doesn't do? Considering that a big part of what TSA does involves protecting the airline and travel industry (which is a large part of our economy) do you really think they would announce to the world that they had caught a terrorist in the act of planting a bomb on an airplane?

If you think the US Government hasn't prevented any attacks recently, chew on this for a moment: There are hundreds, if not thousands, of MANPADs in the wrong hands around the world. (Look it up if you don't know what the acronym means.) Yet there has never been a missile attack on a commercial airliner in the USA. I cannot imagine how hard the TSA, CIA, FBI, etc., have worked to keep those devices from being used here, and no, I wouldn't expect Uncle Sam's agencies to talk about it.

Finally, the next time some of you are inclined to slam TSA, or insult TSA's officers, ask yourself if you want non-gunners to think of you the same way Diane Feinstein does, and if that's fair.

'Nuff said.

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You are aware that 95% of the cargo loaded in airplanes has not been checked on its contents? So while you are getting strip searched a 1000lbs container is loaded in the belly of the airplane and nobody has a clue what is in it besides what is written on the manifest..
A lot of the aviation security is just feel good voodoo and that's it.

If I was a terrorist I would probably not aim for aviation. Aviation has been a target because of the media coverage. Why not cut at night 3 feet of railroad tracks and watch a huge train with chemicals derail in the middle of a city.. Real terror is not making big explosions but spreading fear by using very simple ways to do so.
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Why would they? Does anyone really think this has happened as a result of thought ful analysis of the grooming habits of male passengers? Or that the TSA has now decided that the kung fu skills of flight attendants are such that noone armed with a knife less than X length can mount a threat? Please.
All that's happened is that airline security was lax, a kneejerk response for the gullible public was enacted, and now, after so many years, their message has been delivered and imprinted on the public. You are not allowed to have weapons, unless THEY say so.
Also: if I only need golf clubs when I get where I'm going, to do what I do, that'd be o.k. But the fact for me is, that some of the places I fly to, I'd sure like to be packing my m38 the whole doggone time.
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You are aware that 95% of the cargo loaded in airplanes has not been checked on its contents? So while you are getting strip searched a 1000lbs container is loaded in the belly of the airplane and nobody has a clue what is in it besides what is written on the manifest..
A lot of the aviation security is just feel good voodoo and that's it.

If I was a terrorist I would probably not aim for aviation. Aviation has been a target because of the media coverage. Why not cut at night 3 feet of railroad tracks and watch a huge train with chemicals derail in the middle of a city.. Real terror is not making big explosions but spreading fear by using very simple ways to do so.
Good point...but I'm pretty sure you are now on a watch list.

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You are aware that 95% of the cargo loaded in airplanes has not been checked on its contents? So while you are getting strip searched a 1000lbs container is loaded in the belly of the airplane and nobody has a clue what is in it besides what is written on the manifest..
A lot of the aviation security is just feel good voodoo and that's it.

If I was a terrorist I would probably not aim for aviation. Aviation has been a target because of the media coverage. Why not cut at night 3 feet of railroad tracks and watch a huge train with chemicals derail in the middle of a city.. Real terror is not making big explosions but spreading fear by using very simple ways to do so.
If what you say is true, then TSA is violating the law and lying about it...

"In 2007, Congress passed the Implementing Recommendations of the 9/11 Commission Act more commonly known as the 9/11 Act. This law requires that all cargo transported on a passenger aircraft be screened for explosives as of August 1, 2010."

Source: Certified Cargo Screening Program | Transportation Security Administration

I found this in about ten seconds using the simple search term "airline cargo screened?". Please either document or retract your claim that 95% of cargo is not screened.
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Why would they? Does anyone really think this has happened as a result of thought ful analysis of the grooming habits of male passengers? Or that the TSA has now decided that the kung fu skills of flight attendants are such that noone armed with a knife less than X length can mount a threat? Please.
All that's happened is that airline security was lax, a kneejerk response for the gullible public was enacted, and now, after so many years, their message has been delivered and imprinted on the public. You are not allowed to have weapons, unless THEY say so.
Also: if I only need golf clubs when I get where I'm going, to do what I do, that'd be o.k. But the fact for me is, that some of the places I fly to, I'd sure like to be packing my m38 the whole doggone time.
Unless you have information no one else is privy to, this change happened because of a risk assessment, and a finding that small pocketknives and sports equipment are not a threat to security.

I too would love to be able to fly armed...but no gun can stop somebody from surreptitiously triggering an IED.
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Laws based on blade length are just as stupid as any other knife/firearm law.

I suppose these...


...would be just fine!

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No they would not...according to what I read, fixed blades will still be prohibited.
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