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Report Raises Concern About Glock Handguns « CBS Miami

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Must have been a slow news day...

It is possible they may have had a batch of improperly heat treated firing pins.... Anything can happen

But, Glocks long term reliability, firing pins included, has pretty much proven there is no fundamental design flaw in its firing pins...

Larry

Yea, all my Glock friends are talking about this report.

We have the older Gen 3's at work. No real problems with them.

Other than they are ugly.

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Beats blowing up I guess. Anyone that would own one....WAIT! (On second thought, nevermind.)

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RIP Shipmate

I love how when some small screw up happens people are like "ha! See see they suck!" Like S&W never had a problem ..oh wait they did have barrel problems, accuracy problems, design problems...yep they suck too!


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I've fired a pile of rounds through various Glocks... mostly 17L, 21 and 22. Out of all those thousands of rounds, I have had exactly three failures to feed... with a single magazine and a single box of ammo. The rounds were wiped clean, the magazine wiped down... and normal function resumed. There were never any other failures of any kind. There probably are other similarly reliable pistols. But over a very long time Glocks have developed a well-justified reputation for function, etc. that is remarkable. If a single department is having problems with Glock 22's using a particular brand/lot of ammunition, then change the firing pins and move on. It just simply isn't a big deal. Or, simply keep shooting the pistols and replace firing pins if and when needed. Personally I've never had a part break/fail on any Glock so I think it may be a while before anything major needs replacement on any of the department pistols.

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Glocks never fail...they are PERFECTION!

(That's why they're up to Generation 4).

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'Merica!

I have an SO deputy friend that had a kaboom with his Glock. I never did find out if they figured out whether it was caused by ammo or mechanical failure, but he was off duty for a couple of weeks while his hand healed.

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Glocks are mechanical devices just like any other handgun. As such, they are subject to failure just like any other mechanical device or machine. Just as any other machine, they should be routinely inspected, cleaned and properly lubricated. Any defective or broken parts should be replaced. It isn't hard. Do that, and a Glock will run just about forever - just like any other quality handgun. Fail to do it and, sooner or later, the Glock won't work anymore - just like any other handgun. In this particlar case, replace the pins and move on. No big deal.

If it is a firing pin issue it's a simple fix.

Frankly, though, I don't typically get my gun news from a CBS affiliate.

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I guess we all agree it's a BS story form CBS.

I'm not a Glock hater but I don't see myself buying one either.

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I wish Husqvarna still make handguns.

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We have three Glock 9mms in our family. Two G-19s (Gen I and II) and a Gen III G-34. The two G-19s have had many thousands of rounds through them and the G-34 is my IPSC production pistol and has had tens of thousands of rounds. They all have their original firing pins and none of them are chipped and/or worn.

It is possible that Glock got a bad batch of steel for firing pins; however, Glock firing pins are not known to go bad. I know the armorer of our local sheriff's department, and I talk Glocks with him. He has mentioned other Glock problems, but never firing pins..

Regarding news, some of you may recall the infamous exploding Chevy PU truck gas tanks, as exposed on 60 Minutes. It later turned out that 60 Minutes had so much trouble get the gas tanks to explode for the camera, that they had to rig them with a small chunk of explosive.

My Gen I Glock 23 was retired w/me in 1997, no problems until recently. All the mags will misfeed (bullet nose hangs up on the feed ramp) every once in awhile. A simple tap, rack & go will fix this and since I no longer carry it so no big deal.

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Well lets put this in perspective. One Dept (Palm Beach) and not a huge one at that. had some problems with some (exactly how many is that?) of their Glocks and the report is bought to us by CBS investigative News (A secret report at that)

When we hear of mass failures from across the Country like NY, LA Chicago, Tampa etc, wherever they are used then maybe a problem.

Our County and Cities use them which is larger than Palm Beach and I have not read any reports here.

So who knows, Glock will probably give them all new guns for life now.

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What's a Glop?

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Who let the 5yr old on this forum

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Have you ever replaced your magazine springs?

While I aknowledge that the Glock isn't the most attractive of pistols, I have to say that my grand total of one, has never given me any issue. I have the 32 and I shoot .357 Sig, 9mm and .40 S&W through it. As I said, never any functional issue.
The bad part is, it ain't a K frame S&W.

I've had my Glock 22 as a duty weapon for 15 years. I know that if I pull the trigger it fires every time. I'm no Glock fan. In fact I'm trying to get my department to allow M&Ps. But I think all gun manufacturers are going to have problems now and then. The question is how well they stand behind their products and make it right.

Got this one for cheap! Austrian termites.

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While I generally despise Glocks as much as Ruger revolvers, and would never own either, this "news report" is a weak attempt at making an anti-gun story out of nothing.

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From The Free Dictionary:
glop (glp)
n. Slang
1. A soft soggy mixture, as of food: cafeterias serving nondescript glop.
2. Something, such as a piece of writing, that is judged to be worthless.


#2, oddly enough, covers your comment, LOL!! Glocks are available, reliable, affordable, accurate, maintainable, and obviously much maligned. If you have not owned a Glock, I suggest you try one. You might be quite surprised by it. If not, then you would certainly be more educated about the brand and able to discuss your thoughts with some validity.

My source of cheap handguns has practically disappeared with all the madness. HOWEVER, you are welcome to the next dirt cheap Glock handgun I run across. I will even take it to Glock, Inc. in Smyrna and have it serviced before you take possession. I doubt anyone else would offer to make a 70 mile round trip and spend three hours of their day to do this for you, but I do not mind.

Education is priceless.

2nd gen Glock 17, owned it since 87'.

Never has it let me down.

NEVER.

Chuck

Just my opinion, new guy wading right in, forgive me...lol.

I own 3 Glocks, a 19 which is one of the best small package, high capacity 9mm's made. The only thing that comes close is my old 6906. A 21, which I can take or leave, I prefer my .45 M&P's, and a 20SF, which for my money is the best 10MM Pistol out there. I keep hoping S&W will make a beefed up M&P 10mm and change my mind on the 20, but not yet. Bottom line, Glocks are an excellent, ugly as ****, no romance, but Diesel engine dependable gun.

The famous Glock Kaboom is an over discussed rare occasion that has been debunked once and for all. The reason for the occurrence is shooting under hardened or over sped lead through the factory barrel and not properly cleaning it. Factory barrels are for jacketed ammo only, that's why I have a Storm Lake barrel for my Glock reloads. This eventually builds up and over pressures the barrel, any pistol will kaboom once the pressure becomes too much.

This report is clearly an anomaly, just like the defective Apex kits that had firing pins galling was, it'll be quickly addressed.

We've all heard the tales of 29's being too weak for the .44 Mag, Shields being unreliable, we all also know the redesigns more than addressed any issue and it's a farce. Every maker has it's detractors. S&W makes beautiful, graceful guns, I have many more of them than any other, but a ugly, boring, reliable, accurate Glock has it's place in a complete collection, just my opinion. YMMV. Enjoying the Debate and the forum.

PS add a ghost trigger set at 3.5lbs and tell me you really, really hate it.......

If any gun has tried to live up to the legend of the 1911 it's the Glock. Glock has come close. But I still won't own one.

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The problem with the Miami Glocks comes from shooting them when held sideways.....

Thanks, but I handled one in a gun shop once and broke out with the worst rash I ever saw.

Actually, I just like to pick and stir. The only semi-autos I have any use for are 1911s and to a lesser extent, Ruger 22s. There is no doubt in my mind that Glops are available, reliable, affordable, accurate, and maintainable, just as you said.

I notice that even you didn't include "safe" in your list of virtues. I believe with all my heart that they are inherently unsafe, more so than, say a da S&W revolver, or a 1911. I believe there is enough evidence that even you will have to admit that there just might be a modicum of truth in that belief.

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redlevel, you realize firearms in general are not safe, right? There is nothing more or less safe about a Glock than any other well made firearm. All firearms must be handled properly at all times.

I understand your fondness for S&W revolvers, as I have the same sickness. I own several of them. The last gun I purchased was a S&W 64 a little over a week ago.

My three DAO Sig P225 & P228 pistols are among my favorite handguns, and quick to get into service. They work much like a S&W revolver.

The offer stands for the next least expensive Glock I find. Tote it, shoot it, kill a few snakes with it, and if you still do not like it sell it to another skeptic. You will not lose money on it.

I think and others may agree or disagree but the vast majority of negligent discharges that I have heard about have been with a Glock. Does that mean that Glock is unsafe? No. Of course not. But I do believe that the Glock is easier to be unsafe with in the hands of those that don't practice safe gun handling.

People say "don't buy a 1911 because the manual of arms is difficult!" What a load of BS. And people also say, buy a Glock because it's the safest gun made!" Another load of BS. If people are so stupid that they can't make the connection between their brain and trigger finger, they need not own a gun.

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I'm not a fan of the Glock either but it's not because I think it's a bad product. I think the Glock is a good firearm but when I was first trying to buy a gun or someone heard that I wanted one, everyone, including folks that don't even own a handgun kept on saying "you have to get a Glock" like it was the only good product out there. I tend to be a bit of a rebel in that I don't follow trends and too many of the people I've talked with about guns make the Glock sound like the trendy gun that's all the rage. Even Gunny Ermey loves the Glock. I want to be different so I carry either a full size 1911 or a nickel plated 27-9 with a 6.5" barrel.

Besides that, there's the name. You have brands like Remington, Colt, Smith and Wesson with strong and traditional sounding names. Then there's-------Glock. It sounds like you've swallowed a big pill and barely choked on it. I'm just a weirdo.

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Glad so many people have working glocks. My first, and last, Glock was a G26 gen 4. Out of the box it was constant brass to my face - every round. Like here, Glock customer no-service blamed the ammo even though BTF happened with different brands.

Thank God for the gun forums. Did some research I should have done before purchase and found BTF had been an ongoing problem for over 2 years with no interest by Glock in addressing it.

With what I learned I replaced the guide rod with stainless steel and that moved the brass from in my face to raining down on my head. Then bought extractor parts from Apex Tactical and they sent the brass to 4 o'clock.

Can't help but wonder why, if Glock sells perfection then why are there so many aftermarket vendors making a good living in "fixing" them?

Read the new Glock book and understood the corporate attitude.

I have no problem believing this story is true.

Happy for the lucky ones who bought a working product. I just wasn't one of them so my opinion is much different.

I'm a gun junkie and all my other pistols were perfect out of the box...Beretta, Sig, Springfield, Colt....

I got a couple old Glocks...not perfection but work close to perfection.

As far as the news story...true as near as I can tell. Glock has changed formulas for whatever steel they make the firingpins from(supposidly MIM)...has changed the extractors and have brass to face issues too.

I imagine they will get things squared away in due course.

Like any product..you mess with a good formula and get what you get.

This is all old news. There is a long line of well documented reports about systemic flaws in various Glock models. Right along with those are all the reports about Glock not being responsive to the problems, and in fact, attempting to intimidate the staff of LARGE agencies into not reporting the issues, withdrawing internal reports, etc. These were well known in some circles and reported on a couple of hard use forums (10-8, now sadly defunct and we can't get to the old notes, and LF, at a minimum).

It is one thing to have mechanical issues (S&W has produced some real garbage, I had a couple issued to me; I had a Sig 239 that had to be replaced as soon as it got to the dealer as it had obvious flaws), but Glock's attitude and response is orders of magnitude worse than any other manufacturer's.

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I have been told that the lack of service is one reason why some departments went with the M&P.

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I know I haven't been around here long but this thread is a good opportunity for me to "come clean" but before I do I'd like to make sure you all understand that I ain't no one trick pony and I ain't no Glock snob. I own, shoot, love and have much pride in Smith and Wessons, Colts, and Rugers, as well as my 4 Glocks.

Having said all that I will take this opportunity to maybe defend Glocks just a bit. I don't claim that they are all perfect and I know that there are many other makers of very fine pistols but I have had great service with mine and many of my friends have even more Glocks with many more rounds through theirs as well.

In 2004 I went to the local range with a friend and he'd just bought a Glock 23, a midsize .40. When he passed it to me to try I had never even held a Glock in my hand and I picked it up and blew the bullseye out of a target at 10 yards. I was back at the range in less thab 2 hours with my own Glock 23 and continued that kind of shooting with my own gun.

In 2005 I discovered the Glock site and have been on there since then. I'm not a died in the wool Glock worshiper as I said above but with the exception of the Gen 4s I have complete confidence in them and that for me is a HUGE factor. I have no use for a gun or much of anything else if I can't trust it to do what it's supposed to do.

I carried the 23 every day. I later bought a Glock 17 as my main plinker. I don't carry 9mm but they are cheaper to shoot and I love this gun. Basically I'm a .45 kind of guy so I then bought the Glock 21 full size 45 for home defense and for the console of my truck when I'm on the road. My last Glock purchase was the 36. It is a compact single stack .45 and I added that to the rotation of guns that I carry. It rides and hides with total ease.

All my Glocks are 3rd generation. The 36 was my latest and I bought it in 2006. I keep shooting logs of all my guns and I just went into my "fortress of solitude" and added up how many rounds I've fired in all my Glocks. For all 4 the total is 23,050. I'm not exaggerating and I'm not lying, I have not had even one issue with ANY of them. I don't need to read any reports I have 23K rounds and nearly 10 years experience with my Glocks. You can read and believe all the reports you want to but in my mind there is no substitute for experience. I have never owned any other brand of semi automatic pistol that I can say that about and I've had my fair share in the 60 years I've been owning and shooting guns.

I know that Glocks are not perfect. Nothing is. And I'm glad I got all the ones I was really interested in before the Gen 4s came out. If I was buying a semi auto pistol today I would not buy a Gen 4 Glock. I've seen too many reports of problems with various models and I just don't have the confidence in them that I do the Gens 1, 2, and 3. A lot of this I believe is due to the fact that I take excellent care of my guns. I field strip and inspect each one after each trip to the range.

The reasons that I like my Glocks so much are that they are not overly expensive and they are simple in design. Easy to field strip and reassemble. even with my arthritic hands I can have one apart and back together is 20 seconds. And they are all alike. If you have ever field stipped one Glock then you have field stripped them all. They are accurate and tough and dependable right out of the box. I will refrain from using any names lest I insult some one which is certainly NOT my intention but I have stood next to a person on numerous occasion that was shooting a gun that cost over twice what my Glocks cost and couldn't get through a full magazine without a jam.

I Don't back up to anyone about my appreciation for my Glocks. I'll stack them up against any stock pistol out there. I don't really understand where all the hate comes from. I hear and read a lot of ignorant statements made and I just have to wonder where they come from. I know that Glocks may have an occasional "lemon" but I've never had one or even seen one and I don't think that it happens often enough to warrant all the hostility that's out there. I believe that a lot of it comes from other than experience.

I know that a lot of folks, 1911 types especially, are down on Glocks because "they don't have a safety". Well they DO have a safety. They have 3 safeties actually. But because they are PASSIVE safeties a lot of people don't trust them. they have the trigger safety, the drop safety and the firing pin safety. THE ONLY WAY A GLOCK WILL FIRE IS IF SOMEONE PULLS THE TRIGGER. They have been dropped out of airplanes and helicopters and tall building. They have been torture tested to the inth degree.

A very important thing to remember is that the main and most important safety feature is your brain. If a person will learn how to use that safety feature they won't have any problems.

I don't suppose I've won any converts tonight but all I ask is that before you spout mistrust, dislike, or contempt for the Glock at least give it a fair trial. If you don't like it then fine. Some really don't but don't be surprise if you find to your surprise and delight that it is a darn good shooter and one that will last and not break the bank.

You just don't understand. I don't want a Glop.

One of the things that always amazes me about Glopophiles is that they are such proselytizers . . . . they just can't stand it . . . . "if you would just try one!" They just have to convert you over to the true faith.

I was practically forced into trading for an AR a while back. My friend said it was such a great deal. (It was.) I shot one magazine through it, didn't feel the tingle up my leg, and traded it a day later for a Kimber.

I'm just not into plastic. I really do realize that the Glops and the ARs are great platforms. (Except for the safety issue with the Glop.) I just don't want them.

I am old, ignorant, and enjoy dragging my knuckles through the muck and the gravel. I'll keep my lever actions, double barrels, revolvers, and 1911s. Y'all keep the tupperware, and I will continue to make snide remarks.

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I've only got one Glock, a 23 in 40 cal. After several hundred rounds I can honestly say I've never had a problem of any kind. I point pull the trigger it goes bang every time.

Is it as accurate as my Mod 70 Gold Cup? No but for the difference you can't tell it in a SD situation.

Is it as pretty as my 1911's? Again no but if I'm trying to shoot the bad guy I am not trying to impress him with beauty I am trying to impress him with the futility of messing with a man with a loaded gun.

if you want to find a glock armorer go to the maytag store and he'll be in the back playing chess with the maytag repairman. lee

Actually, in the Houston Texas area T. R. Graham is Da Man.

Ah, another love um or hate um war, I mean discussion of course. I
have a couple, both 9mms, a 19 and a 26. I also have several other
9mms of various make. My Glocks lack the beautiful blue of my 1977
vintage Browning HP and their chunky profiles hardly compare to the
elegant lines of my two WW2 era Lugers but I still think they're great.
I agree with some of the other posters that most Glock bashers are
people who have never owned or used one. Simple, easy to maintain,
reliable and durable almost beyond belief, it's hard not to appreciate
them. A friend, now retired, was an officer on a small town police
department. When his department switched to Glocks he got the
chance to take the Glock armorer's training. He quickly became a fan.
He told me that every gun they fired and worked on had over 100,000
rounds through them and were still in good shape. I don't think many
other brands can match that.

No you're not. I'm the same way.

We (my wife and I) had a Glock. It was a good gun, if somewhat boring. We traded it off for something else.

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My two firearms are a Browning Hi-Power from the 70's, and one of the first thousand G-17L's. Even at my poor level of shooting (after an 18-year hiatus), the Glock is showing slightly better accuracy. Of course, it has a longer sight radius and bigger sights with a white dot that really helps my eyes (my bi-focals don't help), as does the lighter trigger connector. It's much easier to rack and handle. It's a lot more impervious to weather and banging around. The Browning is beautiful, has class, and has a feel that I really like. But I am gradually coming to the realization that if I were ever to have to grab a gun and go, it would be the Glock. I do agree with some of the posters above regarding safety (especially with my Glock's light trigger). There are too many people out there with Glocks who I feel are not trained to the level they should be to carry one with a round in the chamber. I know I'm not. I don't carry, but at this stage I would leave the chamber empty; I know how fast I can rack, and I know how to do it one-handed.

I think Glock gets some of the criticism it does simply because of it's success. Using the word "Perfection" as a marketing slogan is a red flag to gun enthusiasts to pile on, too!

Wow, an 8 hour class and you're somebody special!

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I own a slew of Glocks, have traded several more, in most calibers in which they are offered. The only one that has ever had an issue is my first, a Gen 3 G17. It doubled on me, in a match fortunately, with plenty of safety stuff behind the target. 5 minutes to replace the sear, dropped in a new recoil spring and cleaned with brake cleaner while it was apart. Fired another few thousand rounds of 9mm and .22 (in a conversion kit on the same frame) since with no problems. Cheap part, easy to replace, no issues as far as I am concerned.

Speaking of which, how many clean their pretty S&W revolvers, Kimbers, and other foo-foo guns with brake cleaner, wring them out over a trash can, and go back to shooting? You can do that with a Glock!

CBS is looking for reasons to jump on ANY gun manufacturer, justified or not.

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I tried out a 23 a few years back, had several misfires. The primers showed light hits. I finally figured out that the slide wasn't fully in battery. I decided I didn't like a design that allowed it to fire out of battery and lost interest. These days, if an auto doesn't have a single action trigger, I don't want it.

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Common sense isn't so common.

In late 2005 I bought a used G26. At the first range trip there were two failures to fire out of a 50-round box. The primers on the unfired rounds showed weak, off-center strikes.

I googled "glock, weak off-center primer strikes," and in about 30 seconds found a chart that diagnosed this problem as a weak recoil spring. Replacing the recoil spring assembly solved the problem. There've been no problems since.

I suspect this may have been the problem with johngalt's pistol.

Does anyone know of any authenticated case in which a Glock fired out of battery?

Have you EVER seen Glock admit fault to anything? Typical German/Austrian arrogance!

There's been many Glock problems swept under the rug. Do a net search and see how many law suits they lost!!! NONE, they settle and pay them all off to avoid showing guilt.

Too many stories of failures and kabooms for me to own one.

Did you try more than one brand of ammo? My first Glock was
an early 19. I experenced several misfires with it and began
to think the light primer indentations were due to a general
weakness of the striker system vs a firing pin and hammer.
Close examination of the chamber with the barrel out of the
gun and with a few different factory rounds revealed the
problem. The chamber was very tight, too small actually for
some brands of ammo. Some rounds would easily fully
chamber and drop out with the barrel inverted while others
had to be forced in with my thumb and knocked out with a
cleaning rod. Just like any other gun light primer strikes can
indicate rounds not completely seated. S&W 22 revolvers
are notorious for this problem, one of mine is particulary bad.
I contacted Glock, sent the gun in and they replaced the
barrel at no charge. It worked fine with the new barrel but
I had aquired a second 19 and so I sold the old one to fund
the 26 purchase.

Who cares? Aren't there about twenty Glock fan sites? They're reliable. They are the Honda of firearms. They can be cleaned in the dishwasher, they're inexpensive, but not cheap.
Are there any pre 19 Glocks out there? Any Glocks with Cokes numbered to the gun?

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