Congratulations Alabama....looks like you're getting a new Remington plant...

Remington CEO: Alabama's 'We Dare Defend Our Rights' motto played role in move to state | syracuse.com

Can't say I blame them for expanding out of New York State to someplace that's more Second Amendment friendly.

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Watching the Olympics last night I had to laugh when I saw a commercial advertising New York State as business friendly. Apparently they recently launched a national ad campaign encouraging businesses to relocate to the State of New York to take advantage of their "tax free zones" and "pay no taxes for 10 years". For a minute, I thought I had bumped the remote and tuned in Saturday Night Live.

Apparently someone in Albany is either really sick or has a pretty good sense of humor.

Can't say we aren't glad to see them coming!
Big Green fan for a LONG time

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Ilion, NY will be doomed if Remington ever closes the doors there (and I wouldn't blame them if they did).

It is said that Ilion is not a town with a factory - Remington is a factory that has a town.
If you drive through Ilion, you see that it's true.

Looks like Remington is closing its doors in New York and moving to Alabama, Roll Tide!

De Oppresso Liber

NY's ruling body of clowns doesn't care one whit about Ilion or Remington.

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Not yet. Right now they are just building their expansion in Alabama.

Will they leave Ilion and NY State altogether? Most likely, but they aren't yet.

Apparently after 198 years in New York, Remington isn't who New Yorkers are.

My instincts (from personal experience) tell me that it's just a matter of time....

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Perhaps they are just trying to shore up the expected losses from all the companies they are driving out.
Or maybe they hired a used car salesman who is desperately trying to convince you if something he knows is not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Seen that propaganda piece a few times. I cant see any company wanting to relocate there cept maybe a company that makes cosmetics or broom handles.

And no, the above isnt slanted at the Ladies, I couldnt think of anything better at the time.

Yup. That's why I said "yet".

I NY

I dont know the population of that community but, I suspect those who werent already Republicans--will now be.

Wait until a new generation of corporate leaders take over the company. I'm sure they won't have any hard feelings moving the company to a gun friendlier state and leaving the employees living in that NY community behind. It's bad for them, but good for gun owners.

It doesn't matter where any company moves...

If they don't have the quality control or customer service, it will be for naught.

Another move might be the nail in the coffin for all the gremiln guns they currently turn out.

Sorry for being a bit skeptical, but moving or not, they've got to get their act together.

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Andy, I'll agree with that. When I look at a new 870 and compare it to my 30-year-old version, there's just no comparison. Of course, I could say that about S&W, but I won't.

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You know, if I had a company in N.Y. where I had been paying (high) corporate taxes for a while, I think I might be a little upset that the state would let a new and possibly competing company move in tax free for 10 years.
How is that fair for an established in state company?
Mods. Feel free to delete if this is leaning political.

And Remington is moving into a plant abandoned by Chrysler.

"Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of humor".

And Mag-pull is coming to TX. Just please bring the Broncos with you.

When the Alabama plant is up and running there will be NO plant in NEW YORK! Why would any manufacturer keep an antique plant open with a union to deal with? The new plant will have new machinery and no union. The employees they want to retain will be transferred to Alabama probably as management and training staff.

PROFITS WILL GO UP AND NEW YORK WILL LOSE!

I would like to hear what their local legislators who voted for the Safe Act are saying about this. From what I hear both the Assemblyman and the Senator from that district were all for it. It will be interesting come this election cycle to see how many New York state representatives will be touting their voting record and their support of Safe Act during their campaigns.

Remington has specifically stated that they are not closing their New York (Ilion) facility. They stated that they have too many skilled workers there who could not move. Ilion is still their largest factory.

It's good to see that they are expanding out of state and at some point, they might be able to move everything out, but that's far off.

BTW, New York is one of the top 9 states that people are leaving for other areas. MA and CT are also on the list.

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I believe anyone in New York who has been paying attention foresaw this eventuality with Remington. That includes those people who are now soliciting new companies to move into NY. Those same people who have declared that certain residence have no place in NY because of their personal beliefs. They are the same people who behind closed doors believe that Remington leaving NYS is a good thing because the products that have been made here, by NYers, for the past 200 years are not in keeping with a certain agenda.

I applaud Alabama and other states who have courted NY gun and gun-related companies like Remington to their states. As tragic as it sounds, it would appear that NYS doesn't want or need them or the jobs or taxes they generate.

It certainly does give reason for pause.

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I can tell you what they are saying...

"Mission accomplished".

Short-sighted nimrods probably think they can use their NY Biz Friendly campaign to lure in some other unsuspecting schmo.

If I lived in NY and my senator was running on he/she affirmative vote for the safe act. Guess what they would not be getting? That's right-my vote. BTW- since I live in WVA, one guess as to which new elected senator will not be getting my vote? Hint-He was the former Gov of my state.

Now about Remington- I don't blame them for moving to a better business climate. It is good business sense. I feel for the workers though. I went through the same thing when my plant was closed in 2008 due to the bad economy. We were making money and had a new contract. It did not matter, they shut it down anyways and sent our customers to two other plants. I predict Remington will do alright. The employees will struggle though. They should remember the politicians are the ones that caused the problem. I think the politicians get too complacent about long term businesses. They take them for granted because they have been there so long. BTW- I also wish Remington would have came to my town.

No offense to the workers in Ilion, but the modern management mindset is that once a working process is in place, it can be done anywhere. Also, guns aren't hand made the way they once were. Manual machining has largely been replaced with CNC machining....requiring lesser skilled machine operators rather than true machinists. Remington guns are not what they used to be.

Let me name a few other companies with skilled workers that have moved production out of Central New York, one way or another....

Carrier Air Conditioning Corporation

General Motors Fisher Body Division

General Electric

Chrysler New Process Gear Division (later became Magna Powertrain)

Nestle Chocolate

Oberdorfer Foundry

These are just the bigger ones that I can think of off the top of my head. There are many others.

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'Merica!

I know after 24 years I'm not impressed.

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I agree, this is just like G.E. did. Started new factories all over the place and as time went by closed more and more buildings here and those jobs went to the newer places. I can remember when Schenectady GE employed many thousands of people, now it’s just a small fraction of that. Much of that was due to NY hostile business climate!


It will not happen overnight but it will happen. Of course our NYC politicians consider this a victory. (Guns Bad)

FWIW a GE plant across the river from me is being shutdown as I type this.

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Could be the next thing we see is an EX. order not allowing such compines to move, and require they expand where they are. Would not surprise me one bit.

Remington ammo in Arkansas, guns in Maysville KY, research in Elizabethtown ky, and now guns in Huntsville Alabama

they are beginning to see the light

Now if only they would improve their quality control I might buy one of their products.

I think Remington's out-of-NY-state locations were through acquisition of existing companies and those company's existing facilities. I believe this to be the first time Remington has expanded their gun manufacturing outside of Ilion, NY. (?)

That doesn't take away from the anti-gun and yes, anti-business climate fostered by the current NY leadership.

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Remington Outdoors was Freedom Group, which was owned by Cerebus. Cerebus is a venture capital company and they bought Bushmaster, and a whole list of other gun and ammo manufacturers. They took all of their AR15 manufacturers and consolidated them in one factory.

I think they decided to divest all of their firearms related companies after Newtown or maybe another high profile incident.

Cerebus is also the company that drove Chrysler into bankruptcy and then sold it off to Renault.

All of which is to say that you are probably correct about their expansion being mostly by acquisition.

I don't know who actually owns Remington Outdoors now, but they are based in Ilion and have stated no current plans to move anything out of New York.

G-Mac, maybe unlike other companies, they have some loyalty to their employees and don't want to put a bunch of hard working people who have been loyal to the company out of work to make a political point or to save a few dollars here and there.

The company after which this forum is named has, from what I've been told, a similar philosophy. They pride themselves on having an experienced work force with many of their employees having been with the company over 30 years.

Frankly, I wish more companies would have that sort of loyalty to their workers.

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Yeah and Bushmaster wasn't going to close the Maine plant either.

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Just to reiterate since you seem to have missed it. Bushmaster didn't close the ME plant, Freedom Group (Cerebus) did. The original owner of Bushmaster waited for his non compete to expire and reopened under the name "Windham Weaponry" and hired many of the people that were laid off when Bushmaster closed. So, once again ARs are being made in Maine, by the company once known as Bushmaster.

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You are correct, what I meant to say was the plant closed after the buyer said it wouldn't. Same result no matter who closed it.
Got to love Richard Dyke for starting Windham.

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Sadly, that sort of thing is all too common in corporate America. The new buyer comes in and says that little or nothing will change. Then, the old management team gets the axe. After that, the product is cheapened to "increase production efficiency". If that doesn't allow them to squeeze enough profit out of the company, they move the whole thing out of state. Then they can't figure out why customers who bought the product for years, stop buying something that is the same product in name only.

Just once, I'd like to see someone buy and established brand and not ruin it. I'm not holding my breath though.

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Treat them well, for the rest of us!!!

Shhhhh, dont give them any more ideas.

All remington needs is the key employees who know the manufacturing inside out to train the new employees they hire.
Operating the cnc machines can be taught very quickly. They just locate the fixtures, feed the parts and push the buttons to run the programs.

I say good for Remington. I feel sorry for the workers they leave behind. I been there many times with plants moving and closing.

I built 25 cnc machines that didn't have a human on the floor. These machines were connected to each other by automated trains and loaders. The parts went through the shop to different cnc machines till the parts were finished. This was built for CAT in the early 80's.
They were all operated from one tower control room. These automated cnc machines have the accuracy to the millionths. My point is the new technology of today is even better. Don't underestimate your brand new s&w.

Camillus Cutlery is out of business. They closed years ago. The firm now using the name has knives made in Asia.

Moving to Alabama is just one step closer eventually across the creek to Mexico in my opinion. Eventually more lost American jobs and workers. Stay and fight....don't stray and flight. Outsourcing has devastated domestic manufacturing and destroyed our economy. Play chess...understand war.

Cheers;
Lefty

Looks like a civil war might have a different outcome today

De Oppresso Liber

Both my Dad and I worked for Ithaca Gun and all that remains now is the smoke stack (which says "Ithaca Guns" upon it). There are some who want it torn down because they say it promotes violence. You can't make this stuff up!

Never mind that we made 300k 1911's here to help win WWII!

I would suggest that you not come down to Alabama and tell any of the locals you equate their state with Mexico. They will not give you a "Like", I can pretty much guarantee that.

Alabama has a very nice and growing economy. Airbus is building their first civilian US factory in Mobile, Toyota makes 750K engines a year in Huntsville, BMW and Kia make cars here.

Personally, I think this is one of the silliest things I've read on this forum.

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Lefty needs a new US map Alabama does not border Mexico as far as I know.

Not trying to stomp bare toes but, I think leftys post was misinterpreted? IMO, it just looks like to me that not in his words-that he was only mentioning they moved shop away from the Bee hive towards the frontier-kinda thing.

As for outsourcing? I hope they never do--like Winchester is doing now with Japan on their 30-30s and such.

Lefty must have been thinking of Alazona.

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His point's not geography.

Just look at the textile plants. Started in New England. Moved to the South. Now offshore...

Jeff