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Old 05-10-2014, 04:53 PM
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And after the SIG P210 another Swiss army issue, a Waffenfabrik Bern Parabellum 06/24 in 7.65 Parabellum caliber (also called .30 Luger). An amazing piece of Swiss mechanical precision and workmanship. Also amazingly accurate with fixed sights (very small though, good eyes needed). Back then (1922) they stamped serial numbers (complete or partial) everywhere, frame, slide, trigger, even grips.
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And after the SIG P210 another Swiss army issue, a Waffenfabrik Parabellum 06/24 in 7.65 Parabellum caliber (also called .30 Luger). An amazing piece of Swiss mechanical precision and workmanship. Also amazingly accurate with fixed sights (very small though, good eyes needed). Back then (1922) they stamped serial numbers (complete or partial) everywhere, frame, slide, trigger, even grips.
You had me confused for a moment there. Waffenfabrik simply means "weapons factory." In this case, the proper name, as it says on the toggle, is Waffenfabrik Bern, which shows that it was made at the Swiss weapons factory in Bern, Switzerland. Another prominent "waffenfabrik" was that of Mauser, in Oberndorf, Germany, on the Neckar river. It also made Luger pistols prior to and during WWII under the changed name Mauserwerke. Here is their stamp on a C-96 "broomhandle" pistol made in 1914.



Yet another "waffenfabrik" is the Carl Walther factory, as you can see stamped here on one of their PPK/S pistols.



You have a nice pistol, a product of fine Swiss craftsmanship, but its origin needed to be more narrowly and properly defined.

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Great pistol. Built like a swiss watch; wish I had one.
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You had me confused for a moment there. Waffenfabrik simply means "weapons factory." In this case, the proper name, as it says on the toggle, is Waffenfabrik Bern, which shows that it was made at the Swiss weapons factory in Bern, Switzerland. Another prominent "waffenfabrik" was that of Mauser, in Oberndorf, Germany, on the Neckar river. It also made Luger pistols prior to and during WWII under the changed name Mauserwerke. Here is their stamp on a C-96 "broomhandle" pistol made in 1914.

Yet another "waffenfabrik" is the Carl Walther factory, as you can see stamped here on one of their PPK/S pistols.


You have a nice pistol, a product of fine Swiss craftsmanship, but its origin needed to be more narrowly and properly defined.

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Excellent piece. I recently acquired an Erfurt P08 in 9mm and I am really wanting to find another Luger-styled weapon in .30 luger. Not sure if you shoot your collectibles often but if you do let us know how it does, I have intermittent feeding issues with mine but it's highly ammo sensitive and if the .30 luger behaves better (I assume it will) that's more incentive to buy one.
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Excellent piece. I recently acquired an Erfurt P08 in 9mm and I am really wanting to find another Luger-styled weapon in .30 luger. Not sure if you shoot your collectibles often but if you do let us know how it does, I have intermittent feeding issues with mine but it's highly ammo sensitive and if the .30 luger behaves better (I assume it will) that's more incentive to buy one.

Supposedly, the bottle-necked rounds like .30 Luger feed especially well, so it might jam less.

But your 9mm may work better with certain brands of ammunition. I've read that US non-Plus P ammo is a little weak. I'd like to hear from Luger owners if that's so.

I also gather that only FMJ bullets of the right length lie right in the magazine and feed well in Lugers/Parabellums. I think magazine springs have to be strong, too.
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You are quite right I should have been more precise. Your command of German is impressive.

So is your command of English. Congratulations. I'm serious.
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Excellent piece. I recently acquired an Erfurt P08 in 9mm and I am really wanting to find another Luger-styled weapon in .30 luger. Not sure if you shoot your collectibles often but if you do let us know how it does, I have intermittent feeding issues with mine but it's highly ammo sensitive and if the .30 luger behaves better (I assume it will) that's more incentive to buy one.
I shoot 5-600 rounds per year with it, mostly Swiss army ammo (manufactured by Ruag) as well as PPU (Privi Partizan). Both work flawlessly, accurate, never had a jam as far as I can remember. If you can see and adapt to the little sights (mine is a V notch), they really help accuracy, as you have a very small sight picture which you can place accurately on the target.

Here is a recent 5 shots example at 25 meters, with no particular effort (I am an experienced shooter, but by no stretch a great shot, I shoot mostly leisurly rater than competitively).
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Thanks for the great pics of the Mauser and Walther markings.
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I have two 9mms, an artillery with 20 cm barrel, and a Mauser banner from 1938. Both shoot OK with my handloads. They were designed for the truncated cone bullet used during WW I but seem to function OK with round nosed bullets, Fortunatly my bullet mould is a partly truncated cone design. Once I find my magazine is reliable, they feed either shape without problem.

My 30 caliber is a 1906 American Eagle. I've shot mostly round nosed cast bullets in it and have had no feeding problem.
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Supposedly, the bottle-necked rounds like .30 Luger feed especially well, so it might jam less.

But your 9mm may work better with certain brands of ammunition. I've read that US non-Plus P ammo is a little weak. I'd like to hear from Luger owners if that's so.

I also gather that only FMJ bullets of the right length lie right in the magazine and feed well in Lugers/Parabellums. I think magazine springs have to be strong, too.
Glad it works well. Yeah, mine won't eat american ammunition, espectially the lighter weight bullets and less hot ammo. Loves fiocchi 147grn RN.
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