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Old 06-03-2014, 11:39 AM
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Came across this this morning and had to share. Kind of a dream item.
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Old 06-03-2014, 11:58 AM
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This set sold for $85,000 in 2012

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Me want's a set, please.
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The closest I'll ever get to a luger is a stoeger luger in 22lr. My pride and joy is a Swedish husqvarna m40 in 9mm luger.

One must remember these pistols can be ammo finicky. Some installed stronger springs to shoot the hotter ammo of today only to have the frames crack.

I purchased some surplus 9mm parabellium(luger) Spanish ammo that's really stout.
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OK, kinda nice, I guess - but I'm still looking for the missing .45 ACP Luger, or Hoover's RM if I can't find that...
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OK, kinda nice, I guess - but I'm still looking for the missing .45 ACP Luger, or Hoover's RM if I can't find that...
Cant help you with either but I do have the .22 Registered Magnum.
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Cant help you with either but I do have the .22 Registered Magnum.
And I have the .22 magnum cyl. for it. Try finding one of those from 1935.
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OK, kinda nice, I guess - but I'm still looking for the missing .45 ACP Luger, or Hoover's RM if I can't find that...
If you have or borrow a copy of the .357 Magnum book from Collector Grade Publications, there are two (grainy black & white) photos of RM 1, with the notation it is in a private collection. Keep looking for the .22 RM, however .
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What's that pistol at the bottom of the case? Looks like a forerunner of the Walther Olympia of 1936.
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The ammo loaded today is not hotter than German WWI and WWII ammo. No stronger springs are needed. Years ago, U.S. ammo was loaded weaker than European ammo, and this, along with poor quality aftermarket magazines, might have been part of the reason the P.08 got a reputation as being ammo sensitive. In addition, most pistols from that era will not function reliably with hollow point ammo.

A P.08 used with full powered, FMJ round nosed ammo, and a magazine which meets specs, will function reliably.

Edited to add: The P.08 is surpassed only by the Colt Python as the most over-rated gun of all time. I have owned examples of both; all are gone, with no regrets.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:30 PM
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What's that pistol at the bottom of the case? Looks like a forerunner of the Walther Olympia of 1936.
Looks like a Walther Olympia Model 1932.

Same pistol made for the USA market was the Walther Olympic 1932 or also called the Walther Stoeger Special.
The US/Stoeger imports had 'Walther' imprinted on the top part of the walnut grips and a Walther banner stamped in the slide on the left side.

There was an earlier 22 target yet,,a Model 1926 Sport. Looks about the same but can be used as a single shot by loading & locking the slide shut.

I think the 'scope at the bottom of the set is made to fit the Walther Olympia. The thumb-nail notches in the bbl seem to match up with the mounting base feet on the 'scope.
The bbl is static, the slide free to operate w/recoil.

The entire set is a real put-together of Luger eras. Eye catching though.
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OK, kinda nice, I guess - but I'm still looking for the missing .45 ACP Luger...
You mean this one???

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Edited to add: The P.08 is surpassed only by the Colt Python as the most over-rated gun of all time. I have owned examples of both; all are gone, with no regrets.
I will agree with your opinion of the Colt Python. An uglier revolver never has been made IMHO.

I can't agree that the Luger falls in this waste bin.

Then there are lots of people who disagree with both of us as to the Python.

We all like different things.

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The Luger is one of the most elegant-looking pistols ever made IMO.
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Old 06-05-2014, 02:38 PM
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What's that pistol at the bottom of the case? Looks like a forerunner of the Walther Olympia of 1936.
According to the published description it is a "Pre-WWII prototype Walther Olympia .22 LR pistol with Zeiss scope and carbine-style shoulder stock"
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The ammo loaded today is not hotter than German WWI and WWII ammo. No stronger springs are needed. Years ago, U.S. ammo was loaded weaker than European ammo, and this, along with poor quality aftermarket magazines, might have been part of the reason the P.08 got a reputation as being ammo sensitive. In addition, most pistols from that era will not function reliably with hollow point ammo.

A P.08 used with full powered, FMJ round nosed ammo, and a magazine which meets specs, will function reliably.

Edited to add: The P.08 is surpassed only by the Colt Python as the most over-rated gun of all time. I have owned examples of both; all are gone, with no regrets.

+1 on the ammo commentary. I've always wondered if the 45 ACP mafia insisted that US made 9mm be loaded down because they didn't like the competition.

As for the P.08 being overrated, I have to agree, especially from the standpoint of it being a military arm. Too sensitive to dirt. There are a few other sacred cows I would add to the overrated list but my flame suit is not within reach.
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+1 on the ammo commentary. I've always wondered if the 45 ACP mafia insisted that US made 9mm be loaded down because they didn't like the competition.

As for the P.08 being overrated, I have to agree, especially from the standpoint of it being a military arm. Too sensitive to dirt. There are a few other sacred cows I would add to the overrated list but my flame suit is not within reach.
Ooooo ......oooooo.....+1

I do have to add that when it comes to the Teutonic firearms, to me, the coolest 3 are the Broomhandle, Luger and the Teutonic stapler!

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That is a beautiful set.
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You mean this one???

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Is that a Martz? I spoke to him a little bit at a Great Western gun show (back in the '80s, before California got so bad). Built some cool, cool stuff.
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Looks like a Krause made Luger to me - I would love to own a Martz tho

I have a couple of lugers and it really depends on each one

Love them, but I would grab a 1911A1 in defense of one self
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I will agree with your opinion of the Colt Python. An uglier revolver never has been made IMHO.
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I pretty much agree, except for the beautiful finish on the Pythons.

And I've never understood the need for a vented rib on a revolver. I mean, it isn't like you're gonna go out and shoot skeet or trap with the damn thing.
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Cpt Curl QUOTE: [An uglier revolver never has been made IMHO.]

Have you seen the 2" Rhino? You have to back up to it if you are going to pick it up.
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I shoot this one at the Bowling Pin shoot at my gun club. It is a tack driver, but condition is still 98%….with stock, 32 round snail drum mag.(and loader)….no holster.

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Is that a Martz? I spoke to him a little bit at a Great Western gun show (back in the '80s, before California got so bad). Built some cool, cool stuff.
John-

I remember when you posted a bunch of rare Luger pics, guns owned by an acquaintance.

I'm not enough of a specialist to know, but might this be one of the originals from about 1907, from the US military trials?
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Tom K et al--

If the photo posted by John (Paladin 85020) is not the "real" one, someone made one heck of a duplicate! Per info in source books (Fred Datig's Luger book for one), the ONE SOLE SURVIVING original 45 Luger is s/n #2. (#1 was destroyed in US Atrmy tests ca 1907 iirc.) It went to a private collector sometime after our army decided it no longer wished to keep it. During the 1950s it belonged to Sidney Aberman of Pittsburgh PA and is currently owned by a man in California.

Martz Lugers have been covered in a chapter in a softcover book on Lugers. Several were made, the 45s consisting of two guns cut apart lengthwise & then welded to make a wider frame. What are less known, it seems, are Wyatt Lugers. I think the man's first name was Ken, & he was located in northern ID. Some target shooters in the Spokane WA area acquired those 45 ACP models. These were converted from regular pistols, NOT widened frames, made to take 5 rounds of target ammo in a fixed magazine configuration, with long barrels. Very accurate guns.

My thanx to Dr Goat for posting the interesting boxed set photo.
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I remember when you posted a bunch of rare Luger pics, guns owned by an acquaintance.

I'm not enough of a specialist to know, but might this be one of the originals from about 1907, from the US military trials?
No, it's not an original, but an exact hand-made reproduction, right down to the intertwined "GL" monogram on the exposed rear of the action. I do not recall the name of the person who made it, but my friend told me that he is no longer in the business. These reproductions are really incredible, and like the originals, are also incredibly expensive. I was privileged to handle and photograph this one.

Some other exceptional Lugers owned by my friend are posted in the albums section of the forum.

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No, it's not an original, but an exact hand-made reproduction, right down to the intertwined "GL" monogram on the exposed rear of the action. I do not recall the name of the person who made it, but my friend told me that he is no longer in the business. These reproductions are really incredible, and like the originals, are also incredibly expensive. I was privileged to handle and photograph this one.

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Wow, John--that's really something! I wonder how the maker obtained the measurements. That 45 would have to be VERY expensive, if machined from raw stock (as opposed to being made from cut-apart 9mms). Building a gun that way would have been about the same job as George Luger's two hand-built original 45s over 100 years ago. Very interesting to see a color photo of that thing; the published photo of the original is b&w.
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WOW! Makes my old 42 BYF 9MM , an 80% gun look real puny besides these beauties.
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No, it's not an original, but an exact hand-made reproduction, right down to the intertwined "GL" monogram on the exposed rear of the action. I do not recall the name of the person who made it, but my friend told me that he is no longer in the business. .......
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No, it's not an original, but an exact hand-made reproduction, right down to the intertwined "GL" monogram on the exposed rear of the action. I do not recall the name of the person who made it, but my friend told me that he is no longer in the business. These reproductions are really incredible, and like the originals, are also incredibly expensive. I was privileged to handle and photograph this one.

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I think he told me he paid $11,000 for it.
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