Anyone have input? Considering a .308 assault rifle, and looking for best platform. DPMS seems reasonable. How does it compare to the Rock River Arms version?

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I own a DPMS LR308, but no experience with the Oracle.

My LR is a superb rifle. It's a flat-top model, and I have a Nikon Monarch mounted atop it. It will shoot sub-moa, in the range of .75" @ 200 yards. It likes a Sierra 168 BTHP. Mine has about 1k rounds through it, and not a single problem.

Hope this helps.

I have a DPMS SASS that is excellent , 3/4" @ 200 yd with Fed gold. A friend with an LR 308 was doing 6" @ 1000 YD with factory ammo, I do not know where hes has gone with his loads. Be Safe,

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Thanks for the replies and assessments. I've got one on hold/order from the LGS, and I'm pulling the pin as soon as I sell the safe queen I'm using to finance the deal. Meeting the potential first buyer Monday, and got another committed buyer as backup.

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Mission accomplished. Safe queen sold and DPMS Oracle ATAC in .308 on order from LGS.

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I have one. A DPMS LR308 that is....

It's pretty good for the price. The Rock River is a little better in my opinion. However you will pay a little more for the RR as well....

It's by no means a precision rifle, but accuracy is good.

[QUOTE=oneflycowboy;137984579]I have one. A DPMS LR308 that is....
It's by no means a precision rifle, but accuracy is good.
You really can not compare your AP-4 to a bull barreled LR-308. With the less stiff, shorter, weaker m-4 style barrel, factory trigger, open sights. Ap4 is a fine short range tactical 308 but it is not a "target" rifle. Be Safe,

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FAL!

Not a moa rifle but was never meant to be, unless you prefer to mainly shoot of off bench. "Right arm of the free world"

BTW they are NOT ASSAULT RIFLES

[quote=vipermd;137984626]Yes, you are correct... However, the OP ask about the Oracle.

The DPMS Oracle has a standard trigger and a factory stock barrel.....

That's my intended purpose for it when the SHTF. You can call it a high velocity ballistic delivery system if you want, but around here, we call spades spades. If it's primary purpose for me is to launch an assault against an attacker in defense of life and property, it's an assault rifle.

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Assault rifles are capable of full auto. Keep calling them assault rifles and you give a reason for a ban since we are only allowed SPORTING RIFLES!

Assault rifles have been outlawed in 1986. So unless you have a pre 86 select fire rifle you DON'T HAVE A ASSAULT RIFLE

I still vote FAL. Simple, rugged, reliable

Definition of assault rifle

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder

must be capable of selective fire

It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle

Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazineAnd it should at least have an effective range of 300 metres (330 yards)

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being called such.

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges"

Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles. Because, they do not have select-fire capabilities.

Semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines like the SKS are not assault rifles. Because, they do not have detachable box magazines and are not capable of automatic fire.

My rifles have NEVER assaulted anyone....

The term "assault rifle" does not appear in the 1986 bill. The term "machine gun" happens to appear multiple times. Using assault rifle and assault weapon in the vernacular does nothing to change the meaning. Machine guns are banned absent a tax stamp. Assault rifles are not. I've read the definition you provided, as well as a hundred others from other sources. Congress has had multiple definitions over the years. The one constant is "machine gun," which is a term of art. "Assault rifle" and "Assault weapon" are not. Where exactly did your initial definition of an assault rifle come from? It looks suspiciously like Wikipedia's description.

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The term does not but they are select fire capable of full auto. Machine guns are banned absent tax stamp AND year of manufacturing. You can't have a new one regardless of how many stamps you apply for.

Now let's call them all assault rifles since you can technically use a lever action in your intended purpose it has no sporting purpose and is illegal. Or will be if you start defining it as such

Well, your first statement is not entirely true, given that only some parts (important ones, certainly) have to be pre-ban. As for you second assertion, you can call it anything you want. Avoiding the topic draws more scrutiny than confronting it. I know of a state training academy that pushed a swimming pool past the legislature by calling it a "training tank." The grand opening tour caused quite the hullaballoo.

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Some parts? Find me an AK part that can be select fire pre ban? They don't exist m ifs the whole rifle. Either you have a semi a auto receiver or you dont. Same with the FAL if I'm not mistaken.

Comparing swimming poos to gun laws? I'm done

What about AR parts?

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There are also pre ban lowers

I was agreeing with you, and now you're agreeing with me . . .

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The FAL is a great weapon, but it has some drawbacks.

First, it is darned heavy compared to an AR type platform.

Second, unless you are prepared to shell out for a new barrel or a DSA built gun, they are not all that accurate.

Third, the gas system is adjustable, but is still unsuitable for off the shelf .308 ammo with a long pressure curve. I think this could be fixed with a modified/new design gas plug but I don't have the resources to try it right now. How DPMS get around this in a 16" barreled rifle with the Stoner system I have no idea, but apparently they do. Ruger have some clever tricks with their SR-762 piston system to deal with this issue as shown in this month's American Rifleman.

I'm not down on the FAL, in fact I love its simplicity. ARs and AKs are downright fiddly by comparison. Then again the FAL is complex compared to a MAS 49/56, but that's another story.

I get about 3 moa with my which is enough for me considering that I never sit at the bench.

Heavy?



Malnourished African teens can field them? A grown American should have no problem

[quote=oneflycowboy;137984648]Agreed, I was thinking LR-308 ready for LOOONg range. My mistake. Be Safe,

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