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Old 12-03-2014, 11:58 PM
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BBC News - AK-47 maker Kalashnikov gives rifles makeover
Anyone shoot it yet? I wonder what the specs are compared with the Ak-47?

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Old 12-04-2014, 12:03 AM
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Oops I misspelled Kalashnikov! Can a moderator fix my title please or someone tell me how?

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you can edit your title by choosing Edit, then Go Advanced. Anybody have more info or photos of the new Kalashnikov?
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Old 12-04-2014, 03:56 AM
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Look like rifles intended for the commercial market. The railed
receiver must be intended to mimic the flat top ARs.
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Old 12-04-2014, 04:19 AM
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http://www.recoilweb.com/new-kalashn...ak-12-573.html

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Mark Krebs' AK conversions look similar.

The mall ninja and closet commando demographic will appreciate this revelation most:

"The company is also branching out into fashion, launching a line of branded survival gear."
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:56 AM
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No one has tried it. There is a ban on Russian small arms. There is also the 922 law which would mean that if that rifle was importable it would have to come in looking like a hunting rifle.
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:59 AM
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They've had railed recievers for quite some time. ZenitCo makes a good one but it's not cheap. There's a few others as well but you almost never see them. Instead most people spend half the money, buy a US made rail that is at least ok and at worst junk
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Anyone shoot it yet?
"The AK-47 maker was among the first Russian companies to be slapped with trade restrictions over the country's incursion into the Ukraine. Kalashnikov has been banned from importing its guns into the United States." - CNN Money

I wouldn't want to buy anything Russian anyway, vodka included.

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Old 12-04-2014, 11:09 AM
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"The AK-47 maker was among the first Russian companies to be slapped with trade restrictions over the country's incursion into the Ukraine. Kalashnikov has been banned from importing its guns into the United States." - CNN Money

I wouldn't want to buy anything Russian anyway, vodka included.
To expend on that a little. ONLY RUSSIAN AKs have been banned. Plenty still coming in from other countries.
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Old 12-04-2014, 12:07 PM
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Yep typical Russian, copy others and make it simpler. Looks like they covered the bolt like the VZ.
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I wouldn't want to buy anything Russian anyway, vodka included.
Russkiy Standart is the only vodka I like. If not that, I'd have to stick to gin, or rye whisky, or Irish.
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Old 12-04-2014, 02:12 PM
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Old 12-04-2014, 02:30 PM
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I thought the sks is a great rifle functioning and accuracy. I get 1 1/2" groups from my 16" paratrooper with norinco yellow box ammo. My son shoots the exact same groups.
Every used or refurbb'd ak I looked at was the bottom of the barrel in fit and finish. I gave up even trying to find a decent shooter.
I was on my way to buy a new SA M1A when I passed by a rack filled with the "BRAND NEW" not an importers butchered rework Russian Izmash Saiga Sporter in 308win with a 16" barrel for $307 otd with taxes($289).
In function and cycling I never seen a semi auto so fast and smooth.
But it's lubed with moly. The saiga action felt rough and the trigger was harsh before the moly was applied. Now with a smooth trigger and action we benchrested it at 100 yards using south African surplus ball ammo.
She shoots constantly 1 1/2" groups with surplus ammo. I read of the guys on the saiga forum doing much better with new ammo like Winchester or Remington shooting 1/2"moa. They say the saiga in 223 shoots just as good. These are sportier versions and I purchased them for varmint and deer hunting. The saiga rifles have passed my functioning and accuracy test with no scope.

Now the sks is a fine rifle too, it's a fun rifle to shoot. It's a good rifle but was replaced by the ak because of the quick change larger capacity magazines.
Now the ak47 has a rotating bolt similarity to the m1 garand/m14. The ak is a gas piston operated bolt carrier. I think that Mr kalish copied a few good points from different semi auto rifles and put it all into his design. Let's face it the m1 garland one a key rifle in winning the war for us besides Mr Browning designs too.

My point any brand new Russian AK/AKM rifle is worth having. The only problem is the Russian guns aren't imported anymore. Try to find a saiga now.


The Russian ak47 is flawless in operation in any type of climate and weather. It just doesn't stop functioning. The saiga is a sheet metal stamped welded rifle. The Russians at izmash(ak47 factory) did say they made the saiga the most accurate of the ak/akm rifles. The saiga in our American calibers of 223 & 308 are a tad more accurate over the Russian calibers. They think it's the design of our brass case.

If you watch the AK47 story on the history channel or you tube at the end I believe they show the saiga in action and there new ak rifle were the barrel moves rearward and forward as it cycles. I wonder if this new ak is that gun?

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Old 12-04-2014, 04:34 PM
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Oh look! It's a tactical AK
At least they moved the safety to a usable place.( kinda)
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There's AR's trying to work like AK's and AK's trying look like AR's. Where did it all go wrong?
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:35 PM
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To expend on that a little. ONLY RUSSIAN AKs have been banned. Plenty still coming in from other countries.
AK's are not the only thing banned...! The scumbag in the white house won't let south korea return korean war surplus m-1 garands! They are American made and a huge piece of our history!
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Old 12-04-2014, 06:23 PM
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Not likely that any more Russian guns will be allowed into the country so long as the current administration remains in power.
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We lost the awesome norinco guns from China first. There sks, handguns and m14 are awesome. From slick Willy the draft dodger pres.

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We lost the awesome norinco guns from China first. There sks, handguns and m14 are awesome. From slick Willy the draft dodger pres.
I believe that rot was started by President Bush in 1989. Slick Willie just made it permanent in 1994.
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:19 PM
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I find all the Chinese norinco guns are also good guns you should try there 1911/45 acp & m14 clones.
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:44 PM
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I find all the Chinese norinco guns are also good guns you should try there 1911/45 acp & m14 clones.

A while back, a used Norinco M-14 clone came into the LGS. I hated to admit it then, as I do now, but it was a nice rifle.

I also have a pair of vintage 56 marked SKSs. Both are excellent and reliable shooters.
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As for the AK-12 it addresses most of the gripes about the original design as far as i can see.

As for AKs trying to be ARs and vice versa, it just goes to show that the perfect assault rifle has yet to be invented.
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I just picked up a norinco m14 clone. The have the 5100 forged receiver, chromed lined bore and chamber. I installed the national match open rod spring guide and the wolf heavy duty op rod spring. I repaired the loose op rod guide block. The headspace is perfect. I paid only $375 for it. I haven't benchrested it yet. I've heard there accurate too. I did refinish the ugly plastic stock in black matte. I have a new wood stock for it.
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A while back, a used Norinco M-14 clone came into the LGS. I hated to admit it then, as I do now, but it was a nice rifle.

I also have a pair of vintage 56 marked SKSs. Both are excellent and reliable shooters.
Don't think these rifles aren't good shooters. That first Chinese $59 sks impressed me. The norinco 1911 was the first 1911 to function for me without jamming. After having three previously 1911 that jammed. The norc was my last 1911 if it jammed. It didn't. The norc 1911 showed me what the 1911 hype was all about.
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I'd love to add another Kalish to my collection of AK varients!

Frigging Barky ruined my chance to own a Izhmash Vityaz!
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:36 AM
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Yea I was kinda looking forward to the Vityaz too. That might get replaced by the new CZ Scorpion though!
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I am looking forward to seeing how the new iwi ace and cmmg am47 review.
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My son has a Norinco military training rifle, .22LR, that I gave him nearly thirty years ago. Mauser-clone action, looks a lot like a K98 as I recall, but with lighter wood. Sweet tack-driver. I paid eighty bucks for it, and felt it was well spent.
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No more semi autos with large mags in my state. No other military semi autos too. It's the beginning of the end. I'm moving soon.
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What state?
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Vodka: Stoli comes from Latvia. Russian Standard comes from Russia and is very good. Shakespeare Vodka comes from Poland and is much better.

Kalashnikov: I would love to get my hands on a Bizon submachinegun. It was designed by Mikhail Kalashnikov's son. It comes in 9mm Luger, 9mm Makarov, and a silenced version in 9mm Makarov. I would pay for one out of my own pocket if my department can import one for "law enforcement evaluation".
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If anyone wants to see a Bizon, here it is.

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