Recalling 7.85 million rifles....

Massive 7.85 million recall for popular US gun

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'Merica!

They will gladly replace it with an 8# trigger. Perfect for precision shooting!

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So sad that father lost his 9 year old son. But why oh why was it aimed at his son when his wife flipped off the safety!?

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This section in the above piece caught my eye.

Think about it.

The end of Remington?

Defective trigger mechanism or not, there is no excuse for people to have been shot and killed.
It's not the gun's fault that somebody didn't exercise muzzle control.

In total agreement with Sip, why was this ever pointed at someone.

On every rifle I buy I cock it, after making sure the chamber is empty, point it in a safe direction and hit the butt hard with the palm of my hand.

If you are interested in why, I bought a used gun that fired down range the first time I took it off safety. It would fire every time. It was used and had about a .5 LB trigger pull. I adjusted the trigger correctly. IT got to be such a habit with me I did it on all used rifles I was looking at. You'd be suprised at how many I've found.

We are always hearing how dangerous weapons should be taken away. With some folks it would be a screwdriver.

My brother in laws brother in law lost a leg due to his Rem 700 .270 discharging like this and striking him just below the knee. Tibial plateau was shattered and many blood vessels and nerves destroyed. He eventually took his own life. Very sad.

Shame on Remington and all those that participated in the cover up.

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The article I read about the accident said that she turned the safety off, and the gun went off -- going through a horse trailer, and killing her son on the other side of it.

If my memory is correct this is about the second or third time the Remington 700 has been involved in a lawsuit about its safety.

I think back about 1979ish?? a man in Houston had a lawsuit because he was pointing his loaded Remington 700 at his foot, selected the safety, and it fired into his foot.

I had a former gunsmith tell me all lever action rifles should have a safety because his hunting partner loaded up his Winchester Model 94, was "de-cocking" over a loaded round and shot the gunsmith in the leg.

I am with sipowicz...why is ANYONE pointing a firearm, regardless of its "status" in ANY direction that could harm someone?

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Have guns...will shoot'em.

I'm no fan of "Big Green," but safe firearms handling is no mistake.

The first thing most here were taught, never point at anything you aren't willing to shoot.

I'm quite familiar with the Walker trigger. When properly adjusted they've been nothing short of safe. In the wrong/inexperienced hands most any adjustable trigger can be made unsafe.

Regardless of brand I carry my bolt rifles with the bolt lifted or if necessary on an empty chamber until I get to where I'm going. I do not have faith in any mechanical safety. Safety is our job.

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...Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction...etc...

I guess "always" really means "always".

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But then, what do I know?

Anyone wanting to rid themselves of their LH old style 700 triggers, please let me know. I love them an have several. Never an issue, but then again I don't let bubba jack with them.

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I am not commenting on the settlement, or whether the design of the Remington's trigger is, in fact, faulted.

Yes, we should adhere to the four rules of gun safety.

But failure to do so does not alleviate a company of a faulty design. If it did, then no gun should have a safety.

High horse, gents - you can't ride it all day. Time to put your feet back on the ground.

WE NEVER POINT A FIREARM AT ANYTHING WE DONT WANT TO SHOOT THIS MEANS PEOPLE TOO. NEVER TRUST A SAFETY ON A FIREARM.

GUN SAFETY NEVER SLEEPS OR TAKES A DAY OFF.

A month after I had my 700 set up I received a voluntary recall to replace the trigger. I ordered a 3# Timney and had a trusted gunsmith inspect and replace. Then sent Remington the bills. I'm sure you know what they said to that...

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My 700 isn't going anywhere. No one is touching it. Had it since '94, hunted with it since '94 will hunt with it till the day I die. I put the safety off and pulled the trigger at a bear. Shoot her at the range she's perfect. Probably my last Remington. Had problems with the new Remington 1100 shotgun. Three new ones jammed while pulling the bolt back. Finally the fourth one functioned and shot but would you trust it in bear country while bird hunting? Not me I pawned it. I wouldn't even look at there 1911.

I think there is some mishandling of firearms with the 700 too.

Are they sure it's the trigger or the relationship between the mating parts of the sear? I've seen guns fire when the safety is moved in missmatching numbered bolts. Because the sear wasn't refitted. Or not fitted properly.

Funny my old 1972 $172 30-06 Mossberg trucks on to this day shooting nickel sized groups and never a malfunction?

I won't even cross my leg sitting on the couch with my ankle holster on if it means pointing at my wife or one of the kids.

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I don't trust the safety in pistols nor half clock positions.
I prefer the cz chambered double action on the first shot(cz 75/85/82/83 models.

I don't worry about the safety lever on a revolver.

As far as I’m concerned a Safety (purely mechanical device) should be your LAST thing in a series that prevents an AD. Nothing beats good gun handling and a load of common sense! I stressed that when I was a NRA instructor way back when.

I have had a couple 700s with absolutely no problems and still have my 700BDL 25.06 purchased mid 70s with a worked over light trigger. I have tested this gun out many times and I have as much faith in it as any other mechanical item.

FWIW when I say light I meant that, rifle was worked on by a very competent person back in the 70s and I have much range time and afield time!

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14 S&W Revs none with locks!

I was taught from the start "All guns are loaded until you personally determine it is not loaded", and "Never point any gun at something you do not intend to destroy". Regardless of the condition of the firearm, the responsibility rests with the person in possession of the firearm.

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SWCA1967 SWHF244

My question exactly.

Wow, that is amazing, known since 1946.

got an old wood stocked adl from 1964 in 270, fifty years old now, thousands of rounds, truckload of deer, still has the original trigger, no issues at all except the trigger pull is a bit heavy, but then again it is my hunting rifle not my bench gun, so it has sufficed

the only gun I have ever had an issue with was a German Weatherby mark V in 257 mag, one day on the range after firing several rounds it fired on bolt closure, trip to gun smith solved issue the gun had shaken the adjustable trigger screw loose

everything mechanical is subject to stress and failure

I am sorry that people have suffered loss and injury , but as stated above in each instance improper gun handling was involved.

never ever point a muzzle of a gun loaded or unloaded at anyone including yourself. the life you save may be your own

One of the safety rules and the thing I keep telling people is NEVER TRUST A MECHANICAL SAFETY. I never carry a striker fired pistol with the barrel loaded. I never breech a gun, push the safety off or load the barrel unless I am outside and pointed in a safe direction. I don't trust the safety on rifles like the M70 that have the middle position that will allow the bolt to work to unload or the newer rifles that don't lock the bolt to unload. I still unload outside because one of the safety rules is NEVER TRUST A MECHANICAL SAFETY. I am 73 and been shooting for 69 yrs and have saw all kinds of guns do weird things and have decided that guns are dangerous and there is no such thing as being too careful. Larry

I'm no big fan of the 700 Remington, but have owned a couple, and have adjusted triggers in them for other people. I see nothing inherently unsafe in their design.

They've been making guns, and triggers for that matter, for a looooooooong time. You've got to assume they know how to do it by now.

I have an ADL in 30.06 that I bought in the late 1970s. The two position safety locked the bolt, so it had to be placed in the fire position open the bolt and unload the magazine. I sent it in for the recall, and it came back with a three position safety. However, I discovered that upon bolt closure, it would fire. Sent it back to the factory and it returned with a new trigger mechanism. I have not fired it but it seems to work correctly when dry fired.
I guess when you shoot yourself in your foot, you have to blame the gun!!

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What happens when you have a 721 or 700 rem and dont want to return it? I bought a 700 BDL 7mm mag in 1976 and have had no problems I also dont want a 8# trigger pull. I bought it second hand so I guess it would be up to me to contact them. I have seen that report on CNBC twice it was an eye opener. Jeff

I don't trust anybodies safety. I very seldom use them as I don't chamber a round until I am ready to fire. Even in close proximity to game I keep the bolt handle up instead of closing and using the safety. Never have trusted rifle safeties.

Gus' mother had the gun pointed at an unused family camper (horse trailer?) where no one was supposed to be. He had been in front of her and she pointed the gun 90 degrees to the side. But Gus had slipped around to the other side of the camper w/o anybody noticing him. When the gun went off the camper didn't even slow the bullet down. It's just tragic that the bullet didn't hit something to stop it, but campers are made out of tin foil. They were very conscientious people. They were finished shooting for the day and she was unloading her gun when it had a true accidental discharge.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

I'm not sure exactly how you use yours, so my solution may not be your solution. I believe that it is clear that Remington has a faulty trigger system on their hands, but that it can be handled safely by STRICT adherence to safety rules mentioned here already a few times. I'm not interested in shipping my 40-XB, much less getting it back with a poor trigger, or damaged by Remington or USPS or UPS or whoever. I am mainly concerned with having the gun handled by another person, like a subsequent owner after I croak. FWIW, this is the tag which I laminated and attached to my rifle:

WARNING: This Remington 40-XB rifle uses a trigger
assembly designed for TARGET USE ONLY. Under
certain circumstances, this rifle may discharge when being
loaded or unloaded. It may discharge upon opening or
closing the bolt, upon setting or releasing the safety, or even
upon pulling the trigger. The rifle must always be oriented
with the possibility of UNEXPECTED DISCHARGE in
mind. Constant safe orientation is likely only at a formal target
range. If you don’t understand the above, or even just disagree
with it, KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF THIS RIFLE.

Of course, the tag includes a few possibilities of discharge that there is no evidence of, and some people may have routines which include safe handling during hunting. But lots of folks don't.

Be careful.

I'll be surprised if they get 2-300 rifles returned max.
If the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction (nobody gets
shot).
I've owned and shot 700's for years with nary a problem.

But this is the age of the lawsuit for peoples own stupidity.

Smacks of the lady who sued McDonalds because she spilled
her coffee on herself and got burned. Sued because the coffee
was "too hot".....


Chuck

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So glad I wasn't drinking coffee when I read that last bit.

My first thought was there is no way that I will return my (very first) hunting rifle that has taken darn near every large game animal I have ever gotten, all without a single problem.

I then thought that if for some reason my child got killed in a freak accident by a rifle I knew had a probable design flaw I would not be able to live with myself. I hate to do it but mine will be going back.

I have one also, that I've had since the mid 70's. I've never had any problems with it but I read about this problem a long time ago. It is on my mind whenever I am using it. I would think with so many, 7.85 million or so they would not require the rifle to be sent back to them. I'm thinking Remington trained gunsmith's would handle the job at local locations all over this country. Maybe, we'll have to wait and see. Be safe out there.

To be fair, if I was a gun range and I switched a rifle off of SAFE and it immediately discharged -- I'd damn well send it back as defective.

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I didn't make them up but it sounds like she didn't follow them and paid the ultimate price for it. But our litigious society will fix that.

But what about the next person that inherits or buys the gun?

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

I guess you keep it.

You can always put a Timney on it.
Even if you were the original owner, you would have to contact Remington, unless it had been registered for warranty.

That is tragic. Apologies for for any comment I made.

I got into a debate somewhere recently (maybe this forum) about the value of a three-position safety (I don't like them.) I guess they do have some value since the bolt can be opened in the middle positions. The old Buehler's on a custom Mauser & 03 I inherited from my Dad don't lock at all. I prefer the tang safety on my old M77 for simplicity while hunting, but it locks the bolt.

I have to wonder, though, how many suits over ADs they'll have to settle that were really operator error (and I suspect most of them are.)

Aside from plaintiffs claims, there was never any evidence of Toyota's mysterious acceleration, but they settled anyway.

I pulled the **** Remmy trigger out of my new 700 almost immediately and put in a Timney. A week later I got the recall notice. I just marked the bag with the original trigger "recalled, don't use". I guess I could just throw it away, it's not like I'm going to put it back in!

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I might install a timney trigger. My thoughts are when I pass on my son's will shoot it.

I have had a whole bunch of Rem. 700s. Ones that locked the bolt and ones that didn't when on safe. I always tested by pulling the trigger HARD and then took off the safety and never had an issue. Yes you can adjust one to have the problem if you want but I guess that must be the manufacturers problem not the dummies.

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#3 is don't trust the safety. Larry

The first time I ever went deer hunting was in the Blackbelt of Alabama, Wilcox County on the Wolf River, and was loaned a Rem 721 in .270 by the landowner. Sitting on the side of a hardwood ridge, I spotted a buck and brought the gun to my shoulder, flipping off the safety as I prepared to shoot. It immediately discharged and for years I assumed I had pulled the trigger at the same time, although there was always that nagging belief that I had not touched the trigger.

Twenty years later I bought the identical model and had the same thing happen in the 3rd year of its ownership. The trigger may have been messed with earlier but it was not what I would call light. A few years later I bought a brand new 700 VLS in 6mm and it discharged upon flipping the safety off in my first trip to the range, probably after the 5th shot or so. They all wear Timneys now. Anyone can say what they want to about them only discharging if the trigger screws were messed with but they would be incorrect.
Ed

And shame on anyone who blames careless or reckless gun handling on the manufacturer. Watch that muzzle at all times.

Boy, talk about bad luck. Did the snake bite you just as the lightning struck?

Several years ago, I got a 700 from a relative who passed away and with manipulation (on an empty rifle) I could make it fire when releasing the safety. The first time it happened was a very eerie feeling. It should not fire just because you slide the safety switch to off no matter what.

After some back and forth with Remington, I sent it in to them on my dime to have them apply their "fix" of allowing the bolt to open while the safety on. Not much of a fix in my opinion as that did not address the real problem where under certain circumstances it can fire when the safety is taken off without pulling the trigger.

Have not bought and will not buy another Remington product based on this experience. Shame on Remington for putting this issue off for so long.