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Old 01-01-2015, 02:58 AM
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My dad bought this rifle about 18 years ago (he passed in 04). I believe it is a Russian made gun. Not sure though. I remember it kicked and smoked like hell. Any info would be great and is it worth anything?
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Old 01-01-2015, 03:00 AM
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Old 01-01-2015, 03:13 AM
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Yes it is a russian made Mosin Nagant, it is an early one with the Hexagonal reciever, it would have some collector interest due to that, well compared to the millions of round reciever rifles anyway.
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You have Mosin Nagant Model 1891, built at the Tula factory in 1901. It should be an infantry (long) rifle and be 51 1/4 inches in length with a 31 1/2 inch barrel. Post some pictures of the whole rifle or tell us the overall length.

The weapon has been to Finland, either captured during the Finnish war of independence (most likely) or possibly during the Winter War of 1939. It is wearing a Finnish stock with the rear sight remarked in Finnish style. The chamber has also been reamed for the Finnish D166 round as it is marked D on the barrel shank.

If you are looking to sell and the stock has not been cut short, then I might be interested in buying it. Milsurps are a thing of mine.
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Old 01-01-2015, 03:53 AM
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Yes it is a russian made Mosin Nagant, it is an early one with the Hexagonal reciever, it would have some collector interest due to that, well compared to the millions of round reciever rifles anyway.
The hex receivers were manufactured from 1891 to the mid 1930s. Of the estimated 27 million Mosins built, I would hazard that at least 1/3 of them were built with hex receivers.

Many of the receivers were reused in a series of Finnish rifles, culminating in the M39, probably the best production Mosin built in large numbers.
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Old 01-01-2015, 04:58 AM
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I was imeadately going to identify Mosin. I guess y'all can see a whole lot more detail on your 21in hi def home monitors than I can on my ancient crackberry.
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Old 01-01-2015, 05:28 AM
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You have Mosin Nagant Model 1891, built at the Tula factory in 1901. It should be an infantry (long) rifle and be 51 1/4 inches in length with a 31 1/2 inch barrel. Post some pictures of the whole rifle or tell us the overall length.

The weapon has been to Finland, either captured during the Finnish war of independence (most likely) or possibly during the Winter War of 1939. It is wearing a Finnish stock with the rear sight remarked in Finnish style. The chamber has also been reamed for the Finnish D166 round as it is marked D on the barrel shank.

If you are looking to sell and the stock has not been cut short, then I might be interested in buying it. Milsurps are a thing of mine.
That's a good bit more detail than I expected to hear! There is REAL knowledge on this forum besides what us pikers can come up with.
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Awesome info guys. I don't have one for the stock and the gun is at my moms house. This is the barrel though.
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Old 01-01-2015, 01:08 PM
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Oh nice! It still has the sling swivels, cleaning rod and upper hand guard. Basically I'll just agree with what Steve said.

If it hasn't been buggered with in any way ..DONT DO IT! Don't cut or sand or shine. Doing that is a sure way of instantly killing the value
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Old 01-01-2015, 01:23 PM
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Awesome info guys. I don't have one for the stock and the gun is at my moms house. This is the barrel though.
Nice example of a Finnish two-piece stock. As Arik said, it is just right as it is.

One word of warning: should you decide to take the rifle out of the stock for any reason, the threads on the barrel band screws are LEFT HAND THREADED. Many a good M91 band has been broken by folk that do not know this titbit.
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I remember it kicked and smoked like hell.
Based on this alone, I was going to guess Mosin Nagant before I even saw the pictures.
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Old 01-01-2015, 01:36 PM
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Another thing is that while it's most likely all original the real date of manufacturing is on the inside of the rear tang. Where you see the rear most screw, behind the bolt...it's under there. The date on top, that you photographed, is just the barrel shank and not the receiver. Finland had a tendency to recycle recievers. They never made their own. The Fins made barrels and stocks and sights and other parts but never receivers. All their receivers are Russian. I have a few M91s that date to 1901 and 1906 but their receivers are a few years off.

IF you want to see the date taking the rifle apart takes one flat head screw driver and 30 seconds of work.

Unscrew the barrel bands....remember left hand threads. Unscrew the screw on the bottom holding the magazine and unscrew the rear screw behind the bolt. DONE! If it's never been taken out of the stock it might be a little tight but should come right off.

Word of caution. When you put the barrel bands back on don't overtighten! You could crack the upper hand guard, it's thin and old! Just tighten it snug
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Old 01-01-2015, 07:10 PM
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This all sounds great. I'm sure the stock hasn't been cut. I'm not going to touch it.

How much is it worth?
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This all sounds great. I'm sure the stock hasn't been cut. I'm not going to touch it.

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Tricky question. If the bolt and barrel shank have matching numbers, that increases value. It may be that the bolt only shows the last three of the serial on the barrel shank. In my experience Finn M91s like your sell at anywhere from $200 to $350 on Gunbroker. It won't sell for as much as a later "5-line Tula" as those are much sought after.

Like for all collector specific stuff, it depends who is about, what they want, and if they have the money. Get a couple of keen guys in a bidding war and you make top dollar. Put something up for sale when the market is dead, not so much.
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Old 01-01-2015, 11:29 PM
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Assuming everything matches.... floor plate, shoulder pad, bolt, rifle and in good condition upwards to $350.

The sling is not original obviously.

Most surplus rifles are valued for their cleanliness and pristine condition. Of course Mosins are too but their value lies in being original despite their use. So the wood might be banged up and it could have a dark bore from decades of shooting corrosive ammo. Heck there might not be much rifling left and it could shoot sideways but having history, which it's full of, is what's most valuable
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Mosin's original ammo is corrosive. so unless you are shooting modern production ammo made by a Modern ammo manufacturer such as Remington or Winchester, you need to treat it like a black powder rifle, that you are shooting real black powder in. This means if you are shooting surplus military ammo, you NEED to neutralize the corrosive action of the primers and powder used in the ammo. Most shooters carry a small bottle of the original formula of Windex window cleaner and spray the bore down ( chamber to muzzle in direction) until it runs out soaking the bore. The ammonia and surfactants in the windex will stop any corrosion of the bore, and a quick swabbing will dry it, and spraying it with wd-40 will displace any moisture, preventing rust from forming... Such is the joy of shooting real black powder or corrosive based powders/primers in ammo. Fortunately the Berdan primer pockets can be converted to boxer and reloaded... per this thread on Cast BOOlets...
Converting Berdan primer pockets to Boxer
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