I'm looking to replace my ruger p95 I sold last month which was my house/range gun. I've had my eyes on the sig 2022, cz p07 and a M&P9c. Kinda iffy on the M&P9c simply because I already have a shield and carry it daily but more rounds is always better, right?
But this gun will primarily be fitting the role the ruger did so carry isn't an issue. All of them seem to have a proven record but I can only find the m&p locally. The other two would be bought sight unseen which isn't really a big deal to me as long as they live up to their reputation.
Opinions? Suggestions?

S&W forum so ........... 5906s are built like a tank...all steel, so a bit heavy but great house and range gun.

If I was starting over I'd look closely at the CZ 75s and 85s..........they remind me of a double action Browning HP.

Thanks but I should have added I would like a rail to fit a light like the tlr 1 or 3 depending on size.

I'm not a fan of traditional double action, i.e. D/A first shot, followed by S/A subsequent shots. Based on that, I'd choose the M&P.

I don't really have a preference as I'm still pretty new to shooting. The ruger was my first hammer fired and the Shield my first Striker. I shot the ruger better in SA than the Shield but not having to transition from Da to SA is nice.

How about the new Ruger 9E, the value priced version of their SR9. I suggest that because you sold a Ruger. Same great trigger as SR9. Better sights, in my opinion. Excellent ergonomics, 17 rounds, and Ruger high cap spares are now available in two-packs so you can buy one of those and have three mags, plus 500 rounds of ammo, all for less than a new Glock.

You do not mention a budget for this purchase. If you have one post it that will help narrow any suggestions to guns which match your particular price point.

I would skip the rail light unless you kick down doors for a living. They are IMHO are the most overhyped tactical cool accessory in the world of pistols today. Even as a dedicated home defense gun you are better off with a good hand held light. YMMV Learn to shoot with the flashlight in multiple holds and you will be much better off. Check out this page for some basic descriptions of different holds. http://www.iwillnotbeavictim.com/fla...hold-page.html

If you can you want to run the trigger of the guns you are looking at if you can. The SP2022 is very different than the P series trigger. It is long and smooth but did I mention long. It is a great gun, I use mine as a home defense pistol, but the trigger can take some getting used to in order to run it properly.

The P07 seems like a winner but it to is different than the 75B brethren. It is IIRC an Omega trigger which is different than the 75B trigger. So if you are buying it on your experience with other CZs it might serve you well to at least get your hands on one to dry fire.

Also do not discount the Glock 19 or Glock 17. They are still the poly pistol that all others a judged against IMHO for good reason. They can be had NIB for not much more than the SP2022 or the CZ P07.

Depending on your budget you might consider the Walther PPQ and the HK PV9. You are moving up in price range but both are great poly striker fired guns.

Thanks guys, keep em coming!

I'll pass on the 9e. I never really cared for it or the original 9c.

Im really liking the sp2022 the more I see it. Can you comment any further on your experience, WVsig?

About the lights, I figure if I need to keep my light on a BG and phone the police, I'd rather keep my light and gun both pointed at him/her than just a light alone no matter how bright it is. again, I'm still kinda of new so my logic may be flawed. I do have a polytac hp as my handheld and will look into the link posted.

My max budget is about $450.

I assume your max budget is $500 -$550 based on the pistols you posted. Between the CZ P07 and Sig SP2022, I would go Sig SP2022.

IMO CZ's should be steel or alloy frames period. If I want polymer framed, then I'll save myself a few bucks and buy an EAA Witness P for $275. I know that someone will bring up the SP2022 vs P226. The SP2022 is a wholly different gun than the classic Sig P-Series.

Otherwise, if you open up your choices:

• Glock 19 Gen4
• Walther PPQ M1/M2
• H&K VP9
• Beretta PX4 Storm
• Beretta 92-A1
• Taurus PT92

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There are two schools of thought.

1. Keeping the light on your pistol leaves you one hand free to manipulate doors, grab family members, use the phone.

2. The light fixed to your pistol broadcasts your position, making you a target. Also people's instinct is to point the light at the suspected threat. Well, then you're also pointing your gun at something you may or may not be willing to destroy.

First of all, you don't have to point the light directly at a target to light up a space. Even pointing the light beam at the floor will give enough light to light a room.

IMO, this one is up to you. I'm the type of guy who equips a HD pistol with every unfair advantage I can.

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$450 will get you a nice Beretta 92:



Then you can do this:

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My choice for a house gun, if you don't want a revolver, would be a Glock 19 or 17, 3rd-generation Smith, or another P-series Ruger, in that order of preference.

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Oh well, what the hell.

Indeed. There is something very special about a revolver. I have a Taurus M66B6 .357 Magnum that is real good. Timing is spot on, cylinder gap is spot on, no excess endshake. I got lucky. The gun is big, heavy, and might as well be a laser beam.

Regarding Glock...I am not a Glock fan-boy by any means.

I own and have owned many different brands and types of pistols. Glocks aren't my favorite pistols. I don't find Glocks to be aesthetically pleasing nor ugly. What Glocks are boring, reliable tools. The trigger press is the same pull after pull. The gun behaves the same all the time. A Glock has the sum total of 34 parts. The minimalist efficient design and low part count are what make Glock pistols inherently reliable. There is less to go wrong.

When I need a home defense pistol, I look for the best tool possible. When I need a compact or subcompact carry pistol, I look for the best tool. For me this ends up being a Glock. I switch between a Glock 17 Gen4 and a Glock 22 Gen4 for my home defense pistol. When I can carry a double stack pistol, I'll carry either a Glock 19 Gen4 or a Glock 29SF. When I go to the range to have fun, I'm reaching for my Sig P226, CZ75B, Taurus PT92B, HKVP9, etc...

I'll also add this. When I go out with a brand new firearms enthusiast who is choosing his or her first semi-auto handgun, I will introduce them to a Glock 19 Gen4 and a Sig SP2022. Without emotion or rhetoric, I will tell them why I find these two pistols to be great first pistols. For some, it will be their only pistol. I will then stand back as they peruse and handle more pistols. If they choose a Glock 19 or Sig SP2022, great. If they don't, that's fine too. If they choose something other than a G19 or Sig SP2022 and end up not liking it, I get to tell them "I told you so".

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For a house gun the full size M&P 9mm might be a good choice. I have a full size M&P 9mm and .45 ACP both with the Streamlight TRL-1 on em. Both are accurate and have had zero malfunction of any sort.

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My M&P 9mm 4.25" is my go to gun also zero malfunctions once it got past the first couple of hundred rounds but that was with range ammo. It'll need some decent night sights though. Trijicon HD or Truglo TFO or maybe Ameriglo depending on your preference.

I had the CZ P-09 for 6 months or so, ended up trading it for a Glock 34 Gen 4 because I like the longer sight radius and have always shot Glocks well. I personally didn't like the amount of travel from rest to fire on the CZ trigger, even in single action. When the trigger finally did break it was nice and crisp, but I found myself over thinking the trigger pull far too often. The only other complain I have about the P-09 was the dark sights. I could never see the dots, even outdoors in the shade.

If you do decide to go P-07, at least look at the P-09 while you're there since you won't be carrying it. It is a very ergonomic and good looking gun, and would surely be a great shooter if you are used to the DA/SA triggers rather than striker fired. The 19+1 capacity in 9mm is a nice perk too. Plus did I mention they look REALLY good?

Another interesting choice is the new M&P Pro. New ported barrel and slide cutouts looks amazing IMO. Might involve slightly more cleaning here and there, but I would bet they are sweet shooters. Definitely out of your posted budget, but you might decide it is worth saving for.

Hope that helped, I tend to ramble. Good luck with your search!

I have a FNX-9. It runs in the $500-$550 range. It has some similar features as the Ruger P95 just in a more compact modern design.

It comes with three different back straps as well.

17+1

The SP2022 is a modern poly gun which was developed from the original Swiss/German SigPro line for the French Police services. It was put into service in 2002 and will be used for 20 years which is why it is named the SP2022. They used to be made in Germany. These came with triple serial numbers on the frame/barrel and slide. A lot of contract overruns where brought into the country and sold for around $400 with night sights and 3 magss. These are highly prized. These guns have a internal extractor and a glossy black Ifflon finish vs the more common nitron.

Sig sold a lot of these but they saw a niche and won a few US contracts and moved production to the US. They made some modification like an external extractor, small & medium grips with an internal laynard loop and few mim parts changes and you now have Exeter SP2022. They now ship with a single mag and contrast sights but at a sub $400 price point are still a great value.

The Sig Pro line and the SP2022 have a different trigger feel and design than the classic P series. It has a long but smooth DA trigger that has a revolver feel to it. It then resets nicely to a SA trigger which is similar to the P series guns but have a longer reset than the P series IMHO. For some people the length of the pull in the DA mode takes some getting used to. It is exceptionally clean just long.'

I do not shoot it as well as the traditional P series guns like the P228/P220/P226 but I still like it. The gun handles well and does what it should. I like the gun. It has a never high $$$ feel of such a budget gun. It does not have the same build quality of the Walther PPQ or the HK VP9 but it has better factory sights IMHO. The main thing is the trigger. Some people just don't like it. I find revolver guys do older traditional Sig guys find it OK but not great. It is very much a experience and point of reference thing, very subjective.

They of course are 15+ 9mm capacity guns and Mecgar makes a nice 17 round extended mag as well. It comes with 2 grips a medium and a small and most come with a short trigger installed. You can get a large grip from Sig for extra coin but most people seems to like the SM or MD.

They still have that high bore axis and looks like Sigs. You get a standard rail which many people like. The original Sig Pros had a propriety rail. The standard finish these days is Nitron like most other Sigs. Mags are not cheap but can be found for $30 in most areas or online. The 17+1 mags are about the same price.

The best deal for one right now is from CDNN and other retailers online.

$399 for a tutone with night sights. CDNN SPORTS - SIG SAUER SP2022 9MM STAINLESS

or

$389 for a Nitron version with the same setup.

Sig Sauer P2022 9mm with Night Sights E2022-9-BSS

Even with an extra mag $30 + $15 shipping and transfer cost you should be out the door right around $450.

For a House or Truck gun, one can't go wrong with the 16+1 shot S&W SD9VE.

Academy Sports has been selling them way below MSRP for the last 2 years. Depending on the "Sale" they're having they run from $289 - $329 + tax.

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For additional information, see the following thread I posted this morning about the SP2022 I just purchased along with the initial range report:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/firearm...#post138363635