Are these cap and ball? never been to interested in old things but the smaller on feels cool. My neighbor brought them by looking for info, I don't have the first clue. I think they are 45 and I think I could get him to sell the smaller one cheap. I'm sure they are replicas.

Any idea of value?

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CVA colonial replica kits....

They do look like shootable replicas; could be Italian or Spanish-made. Normally, though, these are clearly marked "Made in ..." and with the manufacturer and caliber on the barrel. If not, I'd be careful. India has been exporting some replicas of lesser quality also. I'd try cap and powder without projectile or just a cap and wad first, if you want to give shooting one a try.

Not Indian - CVA Colonial Pistol on the bottom not sure of the top one made by Jukar most likely around $50-$150 value each

If they are Spanish made, which I suspect, they are marked so and are proof fired.

Just checking the barrel for stamps, which are visible in your photo, will curtail all speculations.

As to value, they are cheaply made and finished and $70 for the upper and $50 for the lower would be maximum. I personally prefer quality Italian muzzle loaders.

"Cap and ball" usually means a percussion revolver. They are single shot percussion pistols and are Spanish replicas. If you intend to shoot them, I would have a gunsmith check them out. They could still be loaded...You never know. I know of cases where someone loaded one with an oil soaked chamber and it wouldn't fire so it was left that way. If it is a rifled barrel, check it with a bore light to see its condition...It could be a smoothbore...A good many cheaper Spanish guns were...A battered nipple from dry firing would need replacing and if corroded could be tough to get out...All these things effect value. If you just want a wall hanger, then its perhaps worth $50. If you want a shooter, I would pass on it and apply my money to a good quality replica of known origin and sold by a reputable company. My safety comes before a cheap deal when it comes to things that can explode.

The one on the right as the pictures appeared to me looks like a flintlock. Don't think the percussion cap came along until the first half of the 1800s.

Those are both percussion. At first the top one looked like a traditions pirate pistol, but that kit comes with wooden ramrod
You seem to have a metal one. That traditions kit is anout 300 or 330 fully assembled.

Where does one buy somethibg like this?

I would have to say..that I think these would be considered " percussion cap " pistols. While they DO use a percussion cap and a ball round, most people wouldn't consider them a "cap and ball" gun per-say. Usually that term is used for a revolver that uses a cap on the back end of each chamber and a pre-charged ball round.

There were many guns that were retrofitted to use a percussion cap design when it was introduced because of the ease of use over a flintlock design.

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Under the GCA '68, blackpowder guns are not "firearms". Thus they are exempt from the marking requirements of modern firearms. Years ago, you could make them in shop class in High School. A lot of the old Spanish Jukar guns came in around the time of the bicentennial and still survive.

Literally anyone can make them in the garage or basement and not need to mark them.

Black powder operates at low pressures. Thus most guns of modern steel do not explode. Many older guns, having survived this long, are also unlikely to explode.

The Indian guns I am familiar with started life as flintlocks, sold without the touch hole drilled, so as not to be a gun in India and some places in Europe. Then of course some people drill out the touch hole.

They can, and hqve historically, made good guns in India. But if I were to get one, I would want to personally make sure the maker knew I intended to shoot it.

Dixie Gun Works and Cabelas have many blackpowder guns available.

Any non rusted out black powder pistol used to fetch 100 to 150.

I don't know if those are examples, but you used to be able to buy unfinished black powder kits, both rifle and handgun, just about anywhere that sold sporting goods. They weren't considered "firearms" so there were no special permits or licenses needed. How difficult they were to assemble depended on the kit. Some just needed to be put together like a model car. Others needed more finishing.

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