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Anyone with a Sig SP2022?
I've been eyeing up a Sig SP 2022 in .40.
The only thing holding me back is the high bore axis. Does anyone own one, particularly in .40 S&W?
I'm concerned that the high bore axis coupled with the snap of a .40 might be a tad much.
Any thoughts?
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I don't know much about them.
It was between that and a shield.
Held the sig and it felt great, as any sig would.
The hammer looked pretty retarded though. That's just my opinion.
Needless to say I bought the shield.
Good luck. I'm interested to see what other people say about it.
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I have one in 40 with crimson grips...love it
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I have one in 40 with crimson grips...love it
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Good to hear. Any added snap compared to other .40s?
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Being that all my Semi Auto handguns are Sigs. Including the SP2022.
I may be A bit Biased. Although I did pickup A Shield 9mm last week.
I truely believe that the difference in bore axis is so minimal.
I have shot A lot of handguns over the years.
My high, low bore axis thought when someone mentions it at the range (usually someone shooting A Glock) Is if there is such A difference, Then why can I shoot your gun just as well as my Sig?
If it were such A problem I shouldnt be able to shoot A Glock, HK, MP etc
like I do because of the low bore axis.
Grab that SP2022 up and enjoy!
Just watch the price because they are all over the place, Sorta like the Shield when I was shopping for it
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SP2022 is a really nice gun. The trigger is a bit different than other Sigs. It is not the standard P series trigger. It is much longer but it is smooth. SA reset is decent.
It is controllable and if you have shot others Sigs it should not be an issue. They are a great value IMHO at the sub $500 price point.
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I have the sig 2022 and love it as my shooter. I also have the P226. Yes there are differences but the 2022 is a steal for about $450. Got mine thru a dealer on the Sig Forum. Like you, I did a lot of reading on , especially on the Sig Forum. If I was 2 keep my 2 favorites only, they would be my 2022 and my 19-4. Hope this helps. Also, my son & I went to one of Sig's schools in NH a couple of years back and if you couldn't bring your own Sig, they provided the 2022's as loaners. Our permits restricted us traveling with ours. That's when I got mine, approx 500 rds of class traing on their range. Sold me on the reliability and accuracy.
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I'm liking what I'm hearing so far..... getting closer to making the purchase.
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I love mine. Very manageable sweet shooter.
I've only got about 190 rounds through mine so far with an assortment of brands and grains, and have yet to produce a malfunction. 100% reliable so far.
I don't think you can go wrong with one.
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Being that all my Semi Auto handguns are Sigs. Including the SP2022.
I may be A bit Biased. Although I did pickup A Shield 9mm last week.
I truely believe that the difference in bore axis is so minimal.
I have shot A lot of handguns over the years.
My high, low bore axis thought when someone mentions it at the range (usually someone shooting A Glock) Is if there is such A difference, Then why can I shoot your gun just as well as my Sig?
If it were such A problem I shouldnt be able to shoot A Glock, HK, MP etc
like I do because of the low bore axis.
Grab that SP2022 up and enjoy!
Just watch the price because they are all over the place, Sorta like the Shield when I was shopping for it
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It's not that you can or cannot shoot. Or how accurately. The higher the bore axis the more of a flip the gun has. Which translates to slower follow up shots/slower to get back on target. This is not compared between 2 individuals because each one may have different level of skill. If you take someone like
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It's not that you can or cannot shoot. Or how accurately. The higher the bore axis the more of a flip the gun has. Which translates to slower follow up shots/slower to get back on target. This is not compared between 2 individuals because each one may have different level of skill. If you take someone like
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I agree Arik, The only issue is that some folks will allow certain discussions, in the OPs post it is bore axis, To effect A decision ,Sometimes a statement can cause someone to bypass A gun they would really like. That is what I was trying to relate in my reply.
Muzzle flip, control and target aquisition all comes with training practice and experience.
I enjoy shooting any gun. And in 30 years of shooting , thats been many.
Thats the reason I feel the way I do about the bore Axis debate.
Its like the Ford or Chevy debate. It will always be there.
Sorry if I came across the wrong way, I wasnt meant to be.
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I agree Arik, The only issue is that some folks will allow certain discussions, in the OPs post it is bore axis, To effect A decision ,Sometimes a statement can cause someone to bypass A gun they would really like. That is what I was trying to relate in my reply.
Muzzle flip, control and target aquisition all comes with training practice and experience.
I enjoy shooting any gun. And in 30 years of shooting , thats been many.
Thats the reason I feel the way I do about the bore Axis debate.
Its like the Ford or Chevy debate. It will always be there.
Sorry if I came across the wrong way, I wasnt meant to be.
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You're fine. I understand the point.
I'm just looking for input because I haven't personally shot handguns with a "high bore axis" like the Sig.
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The Sig 2022 in both 9mm and .40 have been go to guns for me when I am teaching someone new how to shoot a semi-auto. They have been extremely reliable, forgiving, and will eat anything you want to feed them for ammo. I have no trouble moving between the Sigs, S&W, Glock, Kimber or H&K.
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I've been eyeing up a Sig SP 2022 in .40.
The only thing holding me back is the high bore axis. Does anyone own one, particularly in .40 S&W?
I'm concerned that the high bore axis coupled with the snap of a .40 might be a tad much.
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My SP2022 is one of my favorite guns (Mine is 9mm, so I can't speak to the .40 muzzle flip). Mine came with SigLite night sights, 2 mags, a different-size grip panel, and a holster, all for under $500.00! The gun is sweet-shooting, great DA and SA trigger pull, very little muzzle flip, even with my carry ammo, HST Premium 124gr. +P JHP. It has been 100% reliable with over 1000 rounds through it. It was dead-nuts accurate right out of the box. See below photos:
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Although I use it primarily as a range gun, I sometimes use it for CCW. My carry rig for this gun is a High-Noon pancake holster on a BetterBelt 2-layer, Kydex reinforced gun belt. With this rig, the gun conceals almost as well as my Shield! In the following photos, I changed out the FDE grip panel for a black one I bought off of eBay. I'm not sure whether I like the full FDE look better, or the two-tone black/FDE.....
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My advice: Buy this gun! You will not regret it. All of the SIG virtues (albeit with a polymer frame) at a M&P price.
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I've seen this model here and there but never gave it any attention.....
..... But it looks kind of interesting. It might make a nice companion for my P938, P250 set, and my wife's P238...
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I had an opportunity to buy a 2022 in 40 for under $350 last year. Our PD traded in the blue line 2022 for new Glock 22. After researching and pricing out mags I decided to go with a G22. It fits my hand better, the mags are almost half the price and I already own G19/17 which share same holsters. For me it came down to money in both holsters and mags. As for the gun, I couldn't find any negative reviews on reliability
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I find my SP-2022 very easy to shoot but I admit I don't have much difficulty shooting any normal handgun (pocket 9mms, for example, can be a tad off putting, as can pocket .357s, so I just don't shoot them! YMMV).
I like traditional double action pistols. Normal triggers, no tricky little switches and so forth. Rack it, decock it, you're good to go, with a nice revolver style trigger pull for round number one. That's just me. I don't happen to like polymer pistols, either, but I talked myself into the SP-2022 because of its reasonable price, and it is a SIG, after all, and the US Army bought 5000 for the tanker personnel so I figured it can't be all bad - and it's all good!
As for shooting it, well, that's the pistol I chose to take my last CHL instructor's test with and, as most folks know, the test is fairly easy, but instructors don't pass unless they score 225 out of 250 - so there is not a lot of margin for error. Since I routinely expect to drop some points once the target gets out to 15 yards and my eyes start to "mis-see" things (I usually score 246 or 248) I admit to being completely delighted with my score of 246. So it's definitely a gun you can count on.
(I scored 250 with a 4" HB Model 10 that day on the revolver portion of the shooting test but shhhh, that doesn't count, I'm always better with a wheelgun!).....
Sidebar: As a 9mm one wonders why they named it 2022. The story I understand is that the gun is supposed to have a 20 year life span. I don't know how that was determined but that's the scoop.
That doesn't explain the "22" part of the name, either.....
Anyway, for the money, you can't go wrong with an SP-2022.
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Sidebar: As a 9mm one wonders why they named it 2022. The story I understand is that the gun is supposed to have a 20 year life span. I don't know how that was determined but that's the scoop.
That doesn't explain the "22" part of the name, either.....
Anyway, for the money, you can't go wrong with an SP-2022.
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"It entered service with the French Police, Customs, Penitentiary administration and Gendarmerie in 2002 for a planned service life of 20 years, hence the name. 460,000 rounds have been used for testing it before adoption by a sampling of future users and modifications of the SIG Pro followed to produce the 2022".
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As far as the model desgnation of SP2022.
It is connected with the large contract that Sig did with French Police, Which goes till the year 2022.
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I haven't found anything bad about the Sig 2022, but before you buy one check out the Sig P320. The serialized trigger assembly is the "firearm" and you can buy various sized frames and slide assemblies without going through a FFL. The trigger pull on it is very awesome too.
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Completely different gun with a completely different feel. It is an apples to oranges comparison.
Traditional DA/SA vs pre-cocked striker. The P320 is a nice gun but just a different animal. The only thing they have in common is that they are both made by Sig....
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Good to hear. Any added snap compared to other .40s?
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I'm a wheel gun guy so nothing to compare with sorry mate. It does have a long trigger pull. But it's going to g
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I'm a wheel gun guy so nothing to compare with sorry mate. It does have a long trigger pull. But it's going to g
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40 is snappy no matter what gun you are shooting IMHO. 45 is a push. 9mm is a pop 40 is a snap.
I do not think you will have an issue if you use a solid grip and practice good trigger control. The SP2022 has a very revolver like trigger. It has a long but very smooth DA trigger that breaks cleanly and a nice SA. SA is not as short as a revolver but it is decent.
I love mine in 9mm.
Target at 15 yards.
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I have one in 9mm that I picked up used on a trade and absolutely love it. It is 2nd in line for my full sized carry behind my SD9VE. It eats everything I feed it, including +P SD ammo. It is very accurate and smooth shooting. The SD9 remains my primary because I have much more practice with it, it's about 6oz. lighter than the Sig and holds 16 rounds to the Sig's 15.
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I've fired the 2022 in both 9mm and .40 S&W. IMO the Sig SP2022 is the gateway Sig that leads to more Sig purchases. It's an underrated gun. As for the perceived recoil impulse of .40 S&W from the SP2022 v.s. other pistols, there is a difference. I can reacquire my target faster with a Glock 23 & 22 than with a Sig SP2022 or P226 chambered in .40 S&W. The difference is the bore axis. Because I can adapt to either pistol, it's not a deal breaker for me.
While I would like to buy a SP2022 in either 9 or .40, I'm not fond of the trigger. The SP2022 trigger is adequate, but I already own a P226 with a short reach and short reset trigger. I don't want to own a double stack Sig that I can't install those two trigger upgrades.
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They work good and are nice if you like poly frames with hardened steel rails. A stronger pistolthan the alloy frameSigs that the slide rides on alloy not steel.Shouldhave longer servicelife than higher end alloy framesand no cracking.
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I don't have one, but every time I shoot a friend's 2022 in 9mm, I come away impressed. Great trigger, smooth shooter, and one of the most accurate pistols I've ever shot.
You will have to look very hard to find a bad review of one, and they are a steal at around $400. One of Sigs best kept secrets.
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I don't have one, but every time I shoot a friend's 2022 in 9mm, I come away impressed. Great trigger, smooth shooter, and one of the most accurate pistols I've ever shot.
You will have to look very hard to find a bad review of one, and they are a steal at around $400. One of Sigs best kept secrets.
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They used to be $350 to $375 guns. They would come with night sights and 3 mags at that price. They were tripled serial numbered and assembled in Germany.
These days this is not the case. They also made a few changes like the external extractor vs internal extractor. It used to come with a better finish as well. Still a good gun and a good value just not as good as it used to be.
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I haven't found anything bad about the Sig 2022, but before you buy one check out the Sig P320. The serialized trigger assembly is the "firearm" and you can buy various sized frames and slide assemblies without going through a FFL. The trigger pull on it is very awesome too.
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I got to play with a 320, and honestly was very disappointed with the trigger. Probably because of all the hype I've heard about it. Truth is, my M&P with a tuned trigger is much superior as far as trigger pull is concerned.
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Really? All the ones I've tried were nice, short and crisp. Better than the PPQ. And certainly leap years ahead of S&W and Glock
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Really? All the ones I've tried were nice, short and crisp. Better than the PPQ. And certainly leap years ahead of S&W and Glock
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^ that is my opinion too. When I first tried it, my reaction was ".....Wow!". For a few seconds I was actually speechless. Also, this is coming from somebody whose EDC is a Glock 30S with a 3 lbs trigger pull.
My next gun purchase is actually going to be a P320 compact in 9mm.
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Got my 2022 in 9 a couple months back, great shooting gun, I honestly think the high bore axis debate is overblown, it is also a little heavier than comparable poly pistols. The thing is built really solid, I was quite impressed the first time removed the slide.
I did have to adjust my grip when shooting the 2022, my thumb would ride the slide lock lever and the slide locked back a couple times with rounds still in the mag, a little adjustment of my grip and the problem was solved. Accurate, great trigger and built like a tank, find one priced right and you'll love this pistol.
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have one in 9mm and in my hand it is the most accurate 9mm I own..... great value for the price too
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