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Old 08-02-2015, 01:44 PM
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Last week I posted on my NIB Mauser Luger.

Took the Luger to the range today. Shot more than 100 rounds through it. Had a box of Fiocchi 124 gr. and Sellier & Belloit 115 gr, all FMJ. The Mauser Parabellum was 100 percent reliable with over 100 rounds. Not a single problem. Both magazines were loaded to their 8 shot capacity, and the magazines (factory Mauser) were flawless.

Some observations:
1) The sights are TINY, and it was difficult to get the pistol dialed in at 7 yards. I finally got it for a 6 o'clock hold.
2) The recoil is similar in 'quickness' to my HK P7. It's a fast impulse, no delay.
3) It points very naturally, and there's very little muzzle flip.
4) When chambering a round with the toggle closed, you must pull the toggle ALL THE WAY BACK. There's a little 'catch' when you think you've pulled the toggle all the way, but then you must pull some more.
5) It's a very tight action. Feels like you're shooting a custom gun.

I'm very pleased with this Luger. I was very surprised and happy that there were zero hints of any malfunction in well over 100 rounds. I hear stories all over about Luger's being jam-o-matics. I'd say this gun is RELIABLE. To tell the truth, I've had high-end production 1911's that were less reliable (even after 500 rounds) than this new Luger.

From all the reading I've done, it seems that Lugers are VERY reliable PROVIDED that: 1) Magazine springs are SUPER STRONG 2) You keep it clean. To me, that sounds a bit like the old 1911: Run good mags and clean it well, and it'll do its job.

If anyone is thinking about getting one of these 1970's Mausers, I'd say go for it.
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Old 08-02-2015, 02:17 PM
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The P-08 got an undeserved reputation for unreliability mostly from shooters using cheap, out of spec aftermarket magazines and using improper (hollow point or under-powered) ammo. When kept clean and used with a good magazine and full powered (European standard) FMJ ammo, they are reliable.

Years ago I owned a byf 42 (Mauser manufacture during WWII) that was reliable with cast lead bullets.

For what it is worth, I visited the Mauser factory in 1989 while they were manufacturing P-08 (not "Luger") pistols at the time. It was very interesting to me, and the pistols were being hand fitted and virtually hand made.

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Very interesting. I had the opportunity to shoot a friends Luger that his grandfather used in WWI. The barrel looked like someone used a chisel on it but it was accurate and reliable. It really was a standout range outing.
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The P-08 got an undeserved reputation for unreliability mostly from shooters using cheap, out of spec aftermarket magazines and using improper (hollow point or under-powered) ammo. When kept clean and used with a good magazine and full powered (European standard) FMJ ammo, they are reliable.

Years ago I owned a byf 42 (Mauser manufacture during WWII) that was reliable with cast lead bullets.

For what it is worth, I visited the Mauser factory in 1989 while they were manufacturing P-08 (not "Luger") pistols at the time. It was very interesting to me, and the pistols were being hand fitted and virtually hand made.
Nice story about the visit to the Mauser plant. They couldn't call the pistol a 'Luger' b/c Stoeger had the rights to that name, so Mauser called it the 'Mauser Parabellum, and the later ones took on the P-08 profile.

I think these Mauser Parabellums offer a unique opportunity to own a new Pistole Parabellum, made by the original manufacturer with hand-fitting and all, at a price that we'll never see again.
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Glad it worked flawlessly. Great when a gun that looks great also shoots great.
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Congratulations!
Now that's old school cool!
I really liked the range report.
The little experience I have with a Luger is one about 100 years old and it runs just fine too.
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How's the trigger on yours?
Mine is pretty good, slight creep but fairly light. The sights are small, but they are right on for me.
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Nice story about the visit to the Mauser plant. They couldn't call the pistol a 'Luger' b/c Stoeger had the rights to that name, so Mauser called it the 'Mauser Parabellum, and the later ones took on the P-08 profile.

I think these Mauser Parabellums offer a unique opportunity to own a new Pistole Parabellum, made by the original manufacturer with hand-fitting and all, at a price that we'll never see again.
Kinda.

In the 1920's, the American company Stoeger came up with the trademark name "Luger", and used that for importing German made Parabellum pistols. The trademark name "Luger" was stamped into the sides of the pistols they imported and sold (probably similar to Cimarron currently importing revolvers from Uberti in Italy and stamping the barrel "Cimarron"). This was only for commercial sale in the USA. Eventually, all Parabellum pistols came to be known in the USA as "Lugers". As far as I know, no other country calls them by that name, and certainly not Europeans, unless they are talking to Americans, or are mis-informed themselves.

Stoeger still holds the trademark name "Luger". They have other imported pistol types that they also have stamped "Luger" over the years.

"Parabellum" is the correct name for the pistol type. P-08 is the correct name for the common type of WWI and WWII Parbellum pistols. There are many other models, but NO MILITARY Parabellum can correctly be called a "Luger". No commercially made Parabellum pistol can be correctly called a "Luger" either, unless it is stamped on the side of the pistol. Kind of like "Kleenex" vs. "tissue paper".

But few people care.

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Mine is pretty good, slight creep but fairly light. The sights are small, but they are right on for me.
The trigger on mine is pretty darned good. I've read about how some Parabellums have terrible triggers, but I have absolutely no complaints here. A little creep, but I don't mind that at all. It's a little heavier than a standard 1911 trigger, but it's a short travel. I'm used to shooting double action revolvers so a 'heavy' trigger is not a problem for me.
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One more thing to add: The barrel on mine got HOT. I certainly wasn't rapid firing, and I would stop after each mag in order to load the next magazine. And still, I had to open the action and let the gun cool off before I packed it up. I have an HK P7, and the Parabellum got almost as hot as quickly as the P7. Perhaps it's the thin walled barrel?

While it was cooling off, I shot my Model 58 .41 magnum with the 210 gr. JSP from Remington. Real sledgehammers.
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