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Further thoughts on drop testing pistols
So, I bought a new 9mm home yesterday and was surprised to see that the manual clearly states that if the gun is loaded and dropped, it could fire. I got an immediate flashback to the Taurus issue.
Closer inspection of the gun makes this statement a little odd as it has a perfectly functional firing pin block that requires the trigger to be operated. Maybe they think sufficient shock can bounce the FP block aside at the same time ramming home the FP into a primer. Hardly seems likely. Maybe this is the polite way of saying "hang on to your gun, doofus".
BTW, I'll tell you what it is after my first range visit.
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Probably just to prevent lawsuits if some one f***up
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over the years everybody has been concerned about making a 1911 type pistol drop safe. i wonder if anybody thought about how perfect a 1911 would have to hit a hard surface for all of the force to go into the firing pin to actually fire a round. if it didn't hit perfectly that is that much less force to go into the firing pin. I have no idea how high you would have to drop a 19111 pistol from but my guess it have to be at least 10 feet. for all of that to happen you would have a better chance of winning the lottery. just my opinion.
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I'm pretty nutty about just NOT dropping my guns.....but I have a few that technically aren't drop safe.
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Hey, "drop test"...
Oh, never mind! It would only get me a time out!!
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Each to his own. I won't carry such a gun. If I were you, I would return it to the seller unfired and ask for my money back. There is a use for such guns, but usually not as a carry gun.
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08-09-2015, 11:00 AM
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I'm looking forward to seeing make and model. Inquiring minds want to know!
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I would imagine that most manufacturers will print that in an ad or owners manual to to cover their rear. ANY mechanical device can malfunction, and it's just one more thing they want a new gun owner to be aware of. My opinion of course....
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Who are these people who drop pistols? I've never seen it happen. Blow em up, yes, dropped no.
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over the years everybody has been concerned about making a 1911 type pistol drop safe. i wonder if anybody thought about how perfect a 1911 would have to hit a hard surface for all of the force to go into the firing pin to actually fire a round. if it didn't hit perfectly that is that much less force to go into the firing pin. I have no idea how high you would have to drop a 19111 pistol from but my guess it have to be at least 10 feet. for all of that to happen you would have a better chance of winning the lottery. just my opinion.
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I get what you are saying! An easy fix for the 1911 is a titanium firing pin (less mass for inertia to work on) and a extra power spring. I often wonder why the manufacturers did not take this rout rather than the pin lock, maybe that was too simple a fix for the lawyers!
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In the 1960's the Columbus, Ohio PD conducted "drop tests on 1911's. With an unmounted slide, using a primed case, over 50% of the time it went off! With the slide mounted to a GI firearm, and a loaded magazine they never once got one to fire when dropped from 5 feet to 19 feet in the air. Mostly, they landed on the lanyard ring/ loop. I believe the troubles start when untrained people do "Action Jobs" and other tricks to the safeties, and the pistols weren't safe to start with! I built one from GI parts, that would fire with the grip safety in the safe position. A more experienced friend fixed the problem by using Cold sear and disconnector. With the "loose" GI part specs they could have a "perfect storm" and not be safe but Colt specs always kept things the way they were intended. After that point all my guns were built with Colt or Wilson sears and disconnectors. A few thousandths here or there can add up to a failure in a hurry!
(BTW: The extra cost was about $3 per pistol, buying retail! Easy and affordable fix!)
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So what is it?!?! Your killing me with suspense!
And Congrats on your newest! If it's a range gun I wouldn't worry about it, but for a SD gun that could be a problem.
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I have drop tested several guns. Once I drop tested a Scandium 360 on concrete at my son's football practice. Pocket carry. It bounced a bit. I am "that guy"
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I recently bought a new Colt Government series 80 that has the firing pin block. A lot of folks remove it and put a shim where the lever goes in the frame. I like the idea because the trigger has to be pulled to fire the gun. From what I have read, the drop test is one of the reasons for the aluminum trigger. less inertia when dropped. I do carry cocked and locked often and think the firing pin block is a good idea for me. I wouldn't carry my 1908 vest pocket chambered though.
I hope your new gun works out alright for you. I bet it does!
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The reason German Sigs had that little hock on the end of their hammers. If dropped on the hammer the hook would flatten or otherwise deform and an armor or anyone else for that matter will spot it
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So what is it?!?! Your killing me with suspense!
And Congrats on your newest! If it's a range gun I wouldn't worry about it, but for a SD gun that could be a problem.
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Yeah, the planned range trip has not happened. Too much life in the way.
The new one is a bit big for me to carry on my svelte (read scrawny) frame.
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