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Old 09-15-2015, 06:53 PM
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First off, they aren't $300. Secondly, since when does the CZ75 hold 19 rounds?

Quite frankly, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Once again, do you have any experience with the other pistol in discussion here?
CZ SP01 mags (18+1) fit in the CZ 75b. Also, MecGar makes 19+1 magazines.

I can't find any CZ 75's for 300, but used ones go for around 400 and change. Since this gun is around 600 new, I would buy a new one and know that it hasn't been abused.

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A quarter million rounds through a SIG P210 is impressive, and I have heard similar reports.

Here's another point: this WILL be a carry piece.
Well, they were made for carry. I am not sure if anyone has mentioned that the SIG 210 was made as a carry gun for the Swiss Army.
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Just purchased a brand new CZ 75 BD Omega. The trigger is freakin awesome and accurate to boot. Price was $525. Plenty of parts available too because the 75 has been around for years. Sigs are typically expensive and I expect the p210 would be the same. I don't believe (cause I didn't research it) the p210 is a newer model. Good luck.

Bottom line go with CZ 75

PS just read your post stating this will be a carry gun. Personally - IMHO I would not carry any expensive high end pistol. If you should have the unfortunate scenario where if gets taken from you because of litigation\investigation - it will most likely not be the same when you get it back (so I've been told).

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Old 07-10-2016, 06:30 PM
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CZ's are okay, but if I had the money available I would take the SIG every time.

I hear people comparing the CZ's to Hi Powers a lot as well. I find the Hi Power to be head and shoulders above the CZ in ergonomics and shootability.

To each their own though. I will not be trying to talk anyone out of their CZ's or whatever else they like and shoot well.
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The comparison makes little sense, in my opinion. They are two different pistols in two different price ranges.

The Swiss P210 combines build quality, durability, accuracy, refinement, and service pedigree like absolutely no other semi auto in history. Its very hard to compare to that.
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:57 PM
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First off, they aren't $300. Secondly, since when does the CZ75 hold 19 rounds?

Quite frankly, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Once again, do you have any experience with the other pistol in discussion here?
Mec-gar makes extended 19 round magazines.

CZ 75B, 85B, SP-01, Shadow - 19 High Cap Extended
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Old 07-12-2016, 01:49 PM
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If you're not too concerned with cosmetic appearances, I've seen surplused CZ 75s (pre B) at and below the $300 price mark on both CDISales (gunbroker) and Bud's firearms. Not sure if they have sold out of their run yet.

For those with concerns- yes, the guns in question are marked at "Fair" or below condition cosmetically. But keep this in mind:

the guns in question are steel framed. CZ would take the steel frames/slides, parkerize them, then apply a spray finish ("polycoat" for 90's and forward, enamel for the 80's vintage). I have 2: an 89, and a 92. The 92 has a better, polycoat finish, and there is wear on the rear gripstrap. The 89 has a couple of areas where the enamel paint has chipped or worn off. It looks pretty "ugly", but it's clearly not white steel showing through- it's a light gray park that many owners confirm is tough as heck. No rust on either pistol.

Shipped condition: the 89 came recently from CDI, it quite honestly seemed like it was dunked in used motor oil, then buried in a sandy ash tray. It literally smelled like that. It had grit all up in the internals. That said, a very quick field strip with ballistol cleaning (slide rails and barrel only, basically), it was stunningly accurate with a good, light and smooth trigger in both DA and SA. I hosed it out liberally with a can of break cleaner, changed the recoil spring, applied grease to the rails and ballistol everywhere else, and it now feels awesome. It still looks a little rough, but it shows character, as they say. Since it is steel framed, it CAN be sent to have any refinish applied, including a nice rebluing... and you'd still be ahead of the game pricewise.

Relevant parts, warranty, etc: not covered under CZ-USA warranty. MOST parts are interchangeable with CZ 75B's (check the czforums for the list). Springs are cheap and available at Wolff's.

Magazines: flush 15 mags are pretty rare and pricey; the current B mags are just the slightest bit too tight in the magwell. There are 2 major ways to overcome this;
for the adventurous, the cz forums have threads showing exactly where to file (very lightly), to open up the magwell. People have stated that it only takes a few strokes to get correct fit, and that the old mags still fit afterwards. If you're getting it refinished, this is a real option, then you are gtg with all mags afterwards.
If you are hesitant to file, I can 100% confirm that the 18+ rd mags for the SP-01 fit and function perfectly. They extend from the base about a half-inch, a lot like an 8 rd mag for a 1911. They look good, everything fits tight, and I haven't had any problems.

Grip availability- again, 100% compatible with B grips. I have bought the factory rubber grips and put them on both guns, and they feel fantastic. I also have a wood set for looks, but those are tucked away after I got the rubber.

Photos are of the 89, after unboxing it. Original grips and 1 original magazine. A WHOLE LOT of gun for $300.
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Old 07-12-2016, 01:55 PM
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And as others have noted, there really is little comparison between the 2 pistols. The Sig P210 is an expensive, vintage, single stack pistol, probably best considered for target shooting and collecting. It's a very nice pretty gun, like an expensive 1911; you won't want to drag it around through the muck.

The CZ 75 is a very well made duty gun, a warrior of a pistol. If it gets dropped on the concrete, you probably won't have a heart attack about getting scratched up.... and you also probably won't hurt the finish beyond the enamel.

happy hunting!
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:23 PM
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Well, they were made for carry. I am not sure if anyone has mentioned that the SIG 210 was made as a carry gun for the Swiss Army.
The P210 was also issued to Denmark under the M/49 designation and to the West German border police as the 210-4.

The biggest and most noticeable difference in shooting a CZ and a P210 is in the far superior trigger of the P210 but for a military pistol that is irrelevant since pistolcraft has never been the main focus of the armed forces.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:05 AM
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I used to carry a P210, or Neuhausen as we call it, as my sidearm doing boardings off Somalia, and to be honest I did not like it.. The one I had at the time was so worn that it was impossible to move the safety from safe to fire with one hand. :-/ That kind of sucks..
And only having 8 rounds is not a lot either.

As for buying magazines you can have a look here Buy Neuhausen magasin / Kaliber 9 mm. - Offer: 53.78EUR,-

If you want to see the prices in Denmark, where it is the current service pistol of the armed forces, have a look here Sig P210 Neuhausen
"Sig Brugtliste" will get you to the used guns list.
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First off, they aren't $300. Secondly, since when does the CZ75 hold 19 rounds?

Quite frankly, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Once again, do you have any experience with the other pistol in discussion here?
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I picked up an after market 17 rd & 19rd mag for my cz85db.
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Larry Seecamp told me to make my LSW32 a safe queen and carry my Kel-Tec P32 day to day; because, if I ever shoot anyone on my defense, I might never see my handmade Seecamp again.

So, the amazingly accurate (personal experience) CZ for carry and the P210 for the range and as a safe queen.

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