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Old 09-10-2015, 09:56 PM
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I've always had a 'thing' for the SIG P210 (the original Swiss made ones, not the new Sig-Sauer German 'Legend'). Never owned one, but have handled them, and they are just plain awesome. I know the accuracy is set for less than 2 inch groups at 50 yards, and the trigger is amazing.

That said, I've also been considering a CZ 75B. I know the reverse slide rails is the same as the SIG P210. The CZ also has a reputation for great accuracy and reliability. BUT: I can get 19 round magazines for this gun, it comes with a thumb mag release instead of the heel release on the SIG, and the price is roughly SIX TIMES LESS than SIG P210.

Shouldn't I just get the CZ? I know the SIG P210 will come with ULTIMATE bragging rights---but is that the only REAL benefit it has over the CZ?
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Bragging rights count only at a restroom break. Buy the CZ. Spend the extra money on ammo and range and active shooter time. Your life will thank you.
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Look at the EAA CZ type pistols. They are very high quality with excellent sights and triggers.
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If you can afford the Sig, why not get it? It will only go up in value, and it's not like it would be hard to sell.
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I have extensive experience with both guns. My vote goes to the SIG 210. If you can find a 210-2, that is my favorite. A friend has put a documented 250,000 rounds through his 210-2 in the last 40 or so years. He has had not one issue.

Remember, the 210 is a military pistol with all of the reliability that goes along with that. But, the 210 is also a pistol used for real, honest-to-goodness accuracy matches where group sizes count in a country where shooting is the national sport and where they have shooting ranges as often as we have baseball/softball fields.

The last time I was in Switzerland, I was somewhat amused to find a long rifle range along the side of a straight stretch of highway. The folks were shooting their 550s with cars passing right by the range. No berms between the lanes and the road, just responsible, nicely dressed folks enjoying the sport.

Knowing that this kind of thing exists must give the likes of Bloomberg and the other busy-bodies of his kind a special kind of night terrors.

Get the 210, and don't forget a few magazines!
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If you can afford the Sig, why not get it? It will only go up in value, and it's not like it would be hard to sell.
If you can afford the Sig, you can afford them both. You can have bragging rights with the Sig, shoot it a little, and watch it go up in value. Then you can shoot the heck out of the CZ, enjoy the heck out of it, and not worry about what happens to its resale price.

For me, the Sig is forever out of my reach. It may shoot better than my CZ, but not much better, and I don't know that I could shoot it any better. I will be more than content with the CZ. If my shooting ever improves to where I think the CZ is holding me back, I will rethink my position.
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The Sig is probably the better gun but, all things considered, buy the CZ.
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I have owned an early M75 and my son has a CZ SP1 and I also have two SIG P210s; a P210-4 and a P210-6. The P210s were not bought for pride of ownership but to be shot and they excel at that in the right hands.

The accuracy with my hardcast 125gr TC bullets isn't bad in the SIGs and the guns ooze quality. The finish inside is as well executed as the finish on the outside, which makes cleaning a real joy. I got the 210-6 to have better sights, as my eyesight is not getting better with age but found no advantage in the SIG adjustable micro sights. The 210-6 does have an even better trigger pull than the 210 military versions and the removable hammer group is fixed to the frame. The trigger contour is also slightly different. My 210-6 had been converted to a side button mag release by the previous owner.

When I compare the triggers of the SP1 and the P210-6, I clearly prefer the 210-6!

As to the magazine capacity and shootability, everyone has his own expectations and preferences. My son prefers his RIA in 9mm over the SP01 because he can just shoot it better.












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I've got several of both. CZs are nice pistols, especially the high end models. However, they don't compare to a Sig P210.
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A quarter million rounds through a SIG P210 is impressive, and I have heard similar reports.

Here's another point: this WILL be a carry piece.
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The Sig is probably the better gun but, all things considered, buy the CZ.
What things considered?
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Send me the P210 and I can give you a better opinion.
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How are you going to use it?


As the owner of neither.........

210 for the range........

CZ for the road!!!!
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Old 09-11-2015, 08:34 AM
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I would say Sig for collecting and/or competition. I wouldn't carry it. First it's the money issue. The 210 is a very expensive gun but in a self defense situation it won't be any better than the CZ. Second, does Sig still service them? I know they are well built but you are buying a USED gun and things do break sooner or later. I wouldn't want to end up with a paperweight for a carry gun. Of course something can break in competition but that's not what I'm really relying on. In overall size they are about the same but you get more ammo with the CZ. Third, being an older design is the Sig capable of shooting hollow point ammunition? I know the P6 were not, and they came later. I'm not sure if even the 220 9mm which replaced the 210 is even capable. Fourth. Sights! I know they work but more modern sights are easier and faster to aquire in a self defense situation.

I know it's a neat gun with swiss quality but when looking for a carry gun I would look/have a more practical mindset. In this case I could spend the money on extra mags, loads of ammo and a class.


Just some interesting facts. The 210 was a licensed copy/redesign of the French model 1935A pistol.
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Don't expect a two-inch group at 50 yards. That is incorrect info and you likely will be disappointed. But nevermind that. If you have been wanting a P210, why would you buy something else?

It's true the features of the P210 don't lend themselves to modern combat-style shooting, but that is hardly the point. If you want a modern combat pistol with a high capacity magazine, obviously, buy something else. If you want a P210 for all the reasons and things that make the pistol what it is, I don't know anything else that will do.

Decide what you really want and buy the right gun. If you just want an accurate 9mm the P210 is not your only choice, by any means.
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Don't expect a two-inch group at 50 yards. That is incorrect info and you likely will be disappointed. But nevermind that. If you have been wanting a P210, why would you buy something else?
How is it incorrect info? Most Swiss P210s came with targets with a 1.5" group or less. They were shot using a rest. Its absolutely legitimate.

The only thing incorrect about your statement is that it's 50 meters, not yards. It's just shy of 55 yards.
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How is it incorrect info? Most Swiss P210s came with targets with a 1.5" group or less. They were shot using a rest. Its absolutely legitimate.

The only thing incorrect about your statement is that it's 50 meters, not yards. It's just shy of 55 yards.
Brian is absolutely right! The P210 had to shoot well under 2" at 50 meters, not yards, to leave the factory. An often overlooked fact is, that the .30 Luger versions did even better.

And why would a P210 not make a good carry piece because of the cost? It is like getting a Porsche for the garage; a stupid waste of money and great vanity. Guns are cheap, shooting them a lot to get proficient with them and making use of the accuracy potential isn't.

My P210-4 was a gift to my oldest son for a special occasion, a Korth Combat is reserved for him for graduation. All my other guns are ridden hard and when my sons inherit them, there will be no returns accepted!

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Brian is absolutely right! The P210 had to shoot well under 2" at 50 meters, not yards, to leave the factory. An often overlooked fact is, that the .30 Luger versions did even better.

And why would a P210 not make a good carry piece because of the cost? It is like getting a Porsche for the garage; a stupid waste of money and great vanity. Guns are cheap, shooting them a lot to get proficient with them and making use of the accuracy potential isn't.

My P210-4 was a gift to my oldest son for a special occasion, a Korth Combat is reserved for him for graduation. All my other guns are ridden hard and when they inherit them, there will be no returns accepted!
Reason I don't think it's a good carry piece is because there are no parts available if something broke. That's all. Then you are out a carry gun plus the actual value of the gun. Like your Porsche example but more like driving a rare one of 1000 cars as a daily driver and having something break. Those guns were hand fitted so it's not just about finding a part. Otherwise that's my only real complaint

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I would say Sig for collecting and/or competition. I wouldn't carry it. First it's the money issue. The 210 is a very expensive gun but in a self defense situation it won't be any better than the CZ. Second, does Sig still service them? I know they are well built but you are buying a USED gun and things do break sooner or later. I wouldn't want to end up with a paperweight for a carry gun. Of course something can break in competition but that's not what I'm really relying on. In overall size they are about the same but you get more ammo with the CZ. Third, being an older design is the Sig capable of shooting hollow point ammunition? I know the P6 were not, and they came later. I'm not sure if even the 220 9mm which replaced the 210 is even capable. Fourth. Sights! I know they work but more modern sights are easier and faster to aquire in a self defense situation.

I know it's a neat gun with swiss quality but when looking for a carry gun I would look/have a more practical mindset. In this case I could spend the money on extra mags, loads of ammo and a class.




Just some interesting facts. The 210 was a licensed copy/redesign of the French model 1935A pistol.
I know a few people that have shot the original Swiss SIG P210's extensively and have not heard of any failure of parts, nor experienced one myself. I know where to find parts for my P210's. Someone who has the financial resources to buy a Swiss SIG, usually is resourceful enough to locate the parts.

The P210 is not just elegant; it is slim, slender and has phantastic ergonomics. The CZ is a brick in comparison to the P210 and the 1911.

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Reason I don't think it's a good carry piece is because there are no parts available if something broke. That's all. Then you are out a carry gun plus the actual value of the gun. Like your Porsche example but more like driving a rare one of 1000 cars as a daily driver and having something break. Those guns were hand fitted so it's not just about finding a part. Otherwise that's my only real complaint
Arik,

you have no first hand experience with the P210 but a negative opinion. Well, hollow points work in the P210 as well as in a 1911. You are enough into guns to take the grip angle into account, so please do consider that. It does not mean that all hollow points will work in a P210 but the ones I tried did work.

As I wrote, parts can still be found and for an educated person it is no problem to find parts in Switzerland or Germany, where these fine guns are still enjoying a lively presence in many shooting events.
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Just some interesting facts. The 210 was a licensed copy/redesign of the French model 1935A pistol.
Its quite different from the 1935A, to be honest. The Swiss got the license and totally redid the pistol. The 1935A is much smaller and lighter. It also does not have the P210's slide inside the frame configuration.
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but a negative opinion.
Not at all. I even put that phrase into a question! "DOES it work with. ..." And I was simply going off Sigs history with the P6 and the original 220 9mm, neither of which really did work with HP. This is not and was not a knock on Sig it's just what it was back then. HP were in their infancy and not a lot of guns could reliably feed them.

I just look at it from a working perspective. As in working (as in JOB not function) guns, cars, ...etc.. As an example I can use a 1956 Powell sport wagon as a work truck but if something broke it would be out for a while or I can use a F150/chevy 1500 and if something broke I can be on the road often the same day. There is nothing wrong with either one but certain things lend themselves better to being everyday objects
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Don't expect a two-inch group at 50 yards. That is incorrect info and you likely will be disappointed.
Hmmm. . . I guess we will have to tell the testers who signed all those targets that they measured wrong.

They really WILL shoot that good. And, unlike some guns, such as Les Baer which can be had with the 1.5 inch guarantee at 50 yards, the 210 will actually open and close without the need for a sledge hammer to break open the sticky action.
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Thanks everyone for the opinions. I'll probably end up with both eventually.
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The cz hands down. My cz85db is awesome. It's a amberdexterious cz75.
I want a cz75 next.
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Hands down? You're that sure, huh?

I'm a big CZ fan and own many, but there's no way that gun holds a candle to the Sig P210 in terms of accuracy, durability, and build quality. Its also bigger and heavier as a carry gun.

Any experience with a P210? Doesn't sound like it...
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Hmmm. . . I guess we will have to tell the testers who signed all those targets that they measured wrong.

They really WILL shoot that good. And, unlike some guns, such as Les Baer which can be had with the 1.5 inch guarantee at 50 yards, the 210 will actually open and close without the need for a sledge hammer to break open the sticky action.
Shawn, whatever an individual gun may happen to do, as I understand it 2-inches at 50M is not the standard the Swiss P210s were manufactured to, nor was it the standard for acceptance of pistols by the Swiss Army. (Remember, this is the model that the OP said interested him - not the recent Sauer reproduction.)

"...The pistols are then tested for accuracy in a machine rest. They are fired at a distance of 50 meters (54.5 yards). Each gun must print an 8-shot group within a rectangle 5-1/2 inches high by 4 inches wide. In most cases guns group well within the rectangle."
Source: Hausler, Fritz, Schweizer Faustfeuerwaffen, Weinfelden: Thurgauer Yagblatt AG, 1975, p. 135.

I do not disagree with anyone wishing to make the case that these are beautiful old pistols capable of very fine accuracy, and I certainly am not about to part with the one I consider myself fortunate to own in exchange for a more "modern" pistol such as a CZ, but I have always found many of the fantastic claims about accuracy a bit amusing. In many cases these claims were literally beyond the capability of the best ammunition (at the time those pistols were being made) when fired in fixed test barrels, let alone considering the combined errors of both pistol and ammunition. I wish my P210 (a -2 model) consistently would shoot a 2-inch 50 meter group, but I doubt that it will.

If anyone has other information that has been published by an authoritative source, I hope they will cite it here.
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Typical two inch test targets at 50 meters, 10 shots, shot from a machine are the reason that this pistol is still popular at the 50 m event in Switzerland.

The rectangle stayed the same size over the years, number of shots obviously changed to ten.

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" One of the Swiss military specifications was that the service pistol had to be equally usable unmodified for competitions at 50 meters as its predecessor, the Swiss Parabellum 06/29, chambered in 7.65x21.5mm. The target was a Swiss C50 at a distance of 50m (54.68 yards), with the 10 ring a disk of 5 centimeters, just under 2" in diameter. SIG zeroes the P210 with Swiss military issue ammunition with a point of impact placed 10cm above the point of aim in order to allow a six o’clock hold on the standard target. SIG zeroes the pistols individually and in most cases installs a front sight marked with the letter N. "

http://larvatus.livejournal.com/33732.html

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I've always had a 'thing' for the SIG P210 (the original Swiss made ones, not the new Sig-Sauer German 'Legend'). Never owned one, but have handled them, and they are just plain awesome. I know the accuracy is set for less than 2 inch groups at 50 yards, and the trigger is amazing.

That said, I've also been considering a CZ 75B. I know the reverse slide rails is the same as the SIG P210. The CZ also has a reputation for great accuracy and reliability. BUT: I can get 19 round magazines for this gun, it comes with a thumb mag release instead of the heel release on the SIG, and the price is roughly SIX TIMES LESS than SIG P210.

Shouldn't I just get the CZ? I know the SIG P210 will come with ULTIMATE bragging rights---but is that the only REAL benefit it has over the CZ?

The P-210 is not really a great weapon for weapon's sake. A few things just make it very hard to work with....the heel mag release, capacity, the positioning of the safety, the way the sights are usually set. It does have a very nice sight picture and because of its weight it has low perceived recoil. If you shoot one enough you eventually can overcome these limitations some, and of course as a shooter it is quite special.

But my P226 is close, and it provides double the capacity and is much easier to work with. Some of my revolvers can also rival it, at least for me. Nothing looks or feels like an old target P210, though. This does count for something. It is fun to pull it out to shoot one. It does get noticed.
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I know a few people that have shot the original Swiss SIG P210's extensively and have not heard of any failure of parts, nor experienced one myself. I know where to find parts for my P210's. Someone who has the financial resources to buy a Swiss SIG, usually is resourceful enough to locate the parts.

The P210 is not just elegant; it is slim, slender and has phantastic ergonomics. The CZ is a brick in comparison to the P210 and the 1911.
The slide release is pretty far forward, I know I cannot reach it with my right thumb one handed. You have to have a pretty long thumb to work the slide that way. The back of the P210 esp with target sights has some sharper edges too, so slingshotting it is not always a picnic. As a pointer, yes, fantastic gun, fits the hand brilliantly. But the safety and slide release are not the cleanest designs I have. For those I pick my 1911s.
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The P-210 is not really a great weapon for weapon's sake. A few things just make it very hard to work with....the heel mag release, capacity, the positioning of the safety, the way the sights are usually set. It does have a very nice sight picture and because of its weight it has low perceived recoil. If you shoot one enough you eventually can overcome these limitations some, and of course as a shooter it is quite special.

But my P226 is close, and it provides double the capacity and is much easier to work with. Some of my revolvers can also rival it, at least for me. Nothing looks or feels like an old target P210, though. This does count for something. It is fun to pull it out to shoot one. It does get noticed.
The only P226 I own that's close is an X-Five.

My West German model is not a match for my P210s at all. Not even close...

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Get the 210, and don't forget a few magazines!
Oh yeah, and while you're at it pick up a 22 cal kit and a few of those mags, too. Remember, its only money.

The real problem here is that we're living in the dusk of these fine guns being available. Soon they'll be like 4" Triple Locks. Sure, a few around but the asking prices will become unreasonable. If you want one (everyone wants one) and reasonably think you may someday buy one, now's the time. Wait a few years and you'll manage a bunch of laughs when you even ask about them. This is where the Registered Magnums were maybe 10 years ago.

When I bought my first P210, I ordered and received a pair of mags for the princely sum of $70 each. The gunshop owner was embarrassed at charging me so much. A year or two later he got in a -7 gun. He wanted $2000 for it, but told me if I bought it that day and paid cash, he'd let me have it for $1800. Yes, it had 2 of the white zipper mags, made of unobtainium. The pond is full of raw sewage, but you come out smelling of roses. Doesn't happen every day, so jump on the opportunity if you get it. Buy the P210 and keep smiling. I heard they aren't making them any more. Just cheap knock offs in the next country over.

Too bad they didn't install round counters in the guns. Next time you see 9mm (or .30 luger) on sale, multiply out the cost of a quarter million rounds. It makes you realize the gun is the cheap part of it all. Gasoline to and from the range will also cost more than the guns.
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I've had three CZ75s, the last a B model. Good reliable service grade guns. Also owned and operated a few Swiss and German P210s. My good and reliable CZs did not compare in fit of component parts, clean internal and external machine work, trigger quality, finish or accuracy to the P210s of Swiss or German manufacture. One thing equal between the P210s and CZ75s, at least within my humble experience, is reliability. They both just work every time. I sometimes see people equate the CZ75 to the P210 due to the arrangement of the slide and frame rails. IMHO the rail arrangement, reliability and 9MM caliber are about the only thing those two pistols have in common. There are reasons, way beyond "bragging rights", why the P210s are so highly thought of and command prices several times what a CZ75 costs. That being said, for carry I would pick the more pedestrian, but equally reliable, CZ75....ymmv
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I sometimes see people equate the CZ75 to the P210 due to the arrangement of the slide and frame rails.
Which is just ridiculous and shows how clueless some people are about handgun design, as the two are totally different. There are several pistols with slides that ride inside the frame. I've got many besides the CZ and Sig, such as the Pardini GT9, Star 30M, and some others...

Besides that, should we link other pistols together, because the slide rides OVER the frame? Makes no sense...

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The Sig is the closest thing to a match pistol that there's ever been in a military sidearm.

The CZ is easily among the most ergonomic and smartly engineered pistols ever. It wins practical shooting matches the world over and makes a good combat pistol as well.

The Sig makes a better bullseye shooter and is a classic. The CZ is a modern classic and is frankly more practical for everything else.

Honestly if you like them both there's no reason why not to get them.

I like the Sig P210, but not enough to own one. It's just a little too big and heavy to be useful to me.
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Which is just ridiculous and shows how clueless some people are about handgun design, as the two are totally different. There are several pistols with slides that ride inside the frame. I've got many besides the CZ and Sig, such as the Pardini GT9, Star 30M, and some others...

Besides that, should we link other pistols together, because the slide rides OVER the frame? Makes no sense...
If he likes both and doesn't want to buy both, what's the big deal? The OP didn't mention design or technical merits. Hell, there's been a couple instances where I was shopping for an auto and got revolvers instead. It's all about what you like.
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The only P226 I own that's close is an X-Five.

My West German model is not a match for my P210s at all. Not even close...
An X-5 is of course a brilliant, brilliant gun in its own right. My P226 is reasonably close in my hands. Is it as tight? No. Can I put 30 on paper at reasonable distances in the time I could shoot nine from my P210? Absolutely, I've shot it a lot, and it is a really good pistol. And that's why my P226 is either with me or next to me and the P210 is in the safe.
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If I ever know that I will be in harm's way yet again and having to rely on a handgun, it won't be the SIG P210 that I would choose to have with me, neither any of my Korths, customs 1911s, or other fine range guns. I will feel comfortable with a cheap, worn and ugly Glock.

I would not be able to post, hadn't it been for those simple, yet effective tools.

Yet, the P 210 would have done.
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Given the quality of Swiss ammo, I wouldn't find such accuracy claims all that exaggerative. The issued GP11 for example used in the 1911 and K31 rifles was considered match grade, and having used quite a bit of the stuff through my K31, I believe it.
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The Sig P210 is an iconic pistol. It is pure pleasure to hold and admire. Racking the slide is your first tactile feedback, and it is pure butter. I'm glad I own one. Yes I had to pay the going price, but as said above, what will the going price be in 10 years?

I have two complaints. First, the P210 has an annoying propensity to bite me in the web of my hand. I am not ham-fisted, but this thing wants a piece of my hand.

Second, magazines for the military, butt release guns are hard to find and quite expensive. I have two. Does anybody have a line on these magazines reasonably priced?

Get a P210 and don't look back. It's a piece of history. You won't lose a dime. The CZ75 can be had also. If you buy the P210 you will end up with the CZ75 alongside it soon enough. That's not a bad outcome!

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If he likes both and doesn't want to buy both, what's the big deal? The OP didn't mention design or technical merits. Hell, there's been a couple instances where I was shopping for an auto and got revolvers instead. It's all about what you like.
Who said anything about the OP? I was talking about people in general.

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I was talking about people in general.
The general public, or even gun nuts aren't in the market for or buyers of P210s. People in general have no clue. Most gun buyers don't, either. Witness this discussion, or the same ones over on the sigforum.com. We're talking about maybe the best semi-auto ever produced. Better still, in numbers sufficient so that anyone who really wants one can probably buy one. But as I stated above, the door is closing on that possibility. In a few years we'll have a bunch of wannabees saying they wish they'd bought one back when they had the chance (like now).

Because we have interest rates flying along at near zero and the stock market dropping day to day, this seems like a good investment. I've only got 2 of them and probably should consider another or two.
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The Sig P210 is an iconic pistol. It is pure pleasure to hold and admire. Racking the slide is your first tactile feedback, and it is pure butter. I'm glad I own one. Yes I had to pay the going price, but as said above, what will the going price be in 10 years?

I have two complaints. First, the P210 has an annoying propensity to bite me in the web of my hand. I am not ham-fisted, but this thing wants a piece of my hand.

Second, magazines for the military, butt release guns are hard to find and quite expensive. I have two. Does anybody have a line on these magazines reasonably priced?

Get a P210 and don't look back. It's a piece of history. You won't lose a dime. The CZ75 can be had also. If you buy the P210 you will end up with the CZ75 alongside it soon enough. That's not a bad outcome!

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The magazines are expensive and the only source I found where I paid under $70 a piece was in Danemark where the surplus mags are still cheaper than anywhere else. I accumulated a dozen spare mags over the years.
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The general public, or even gun nuts aren't in the market for or buyers of P210s. People in general have no clue. Most gun buyers don't, either. Witness this discussion, or the same ones over on the sigforum.com. We're talking about maybe the best semi-auto ever produced. Better still, in numbers sufficient so that anyone who really wants one can probably buy one. But as I stated above, the door is closing on that possibility. In a few years we'll have a bunch of wannabees saying they wish they'd bought one back when they had the chance (like now).

Because we have interest rates flying along at near zero and the stock market dropping day to day, this seems like a good investment. I've only got 2 of them and probably should consider another or two.
While I am not buying guns as an investment but use them for their intended purpose, I agree with the foreseeable appreciation of Swiss SIG prices.

I had to really save up to pay the $425 with tax for that pre-owned Python back in 1985 and got four S&W M19s that I paid $200 to 250 for.

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Depending on whiich model you have, there is a screw-on beavertail for the -5 and -6 models available. I just trimmed my hammers.

The magazines are expensive and the only source I found where I paid under $70 a piece was in Danemark where the surplus mags are still cheaper than anywhere else. I accumulated a dozen spare mags over the years.
So I'm not the only person who has trouble with nibbling hammers on the P210. I thought not, because the current P210 Legend has a beavertail. My P210 is military surplus and has an "A" prefix serial number.

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There's a reason the CZ75 is the choice of the Russian special ops.
It's rugged and reliable, goes bang 19 times non stop. And I made pin point shots at the 100yd berm at small rocks using 3' of Kentucky windage. For just $300 show me one in that price range that's the same quality.

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So I'm not the only person who has trouble with nibbling hammers on the P210. I thought not, because the current P210 Legend has a beavertail. My P210 is military surplus and has an "A" prefix serial number.

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So I'm not the only person who has trouble with nibbling hammers on the P210. I thought not, because the current P210 Legend has a beavertail...
I'm glad I'm not alone! The first thing I had to do was get Roland down at Roco in Texas to D&T the frame of my 210-2 for the screw-on beavertail. It actually works very well. However, the job should be done by an expert. If the hole is located properly it can be used to hold a -5 trigger, should you ever desire. If it's not in the correct place...
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There's a reason the CZ75 is the choice of the Russian special ops.
It's rugged and reliable, goes bang 19 times non stop. And I made pin point shots at the 100yd berm at small rocks using 3' of Kentucky windage. For just $300 show me one in that price range that's the same quality.
First off, they aren't $300. Secondly, since when does the CZ75 hold 19 rounds?

Quite frankly, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Once again, do you have any experience with the other pistol in discussion here?
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I've got an early CZ85, it's a real nice gun, but not a Sig 210.

Before I bought the Sig, I would look long and hard for one of the Briley Bushing Performance Center guns that S&W built (PPC9???). Less money and more accurate, mags are cheap and plentiful, and it is a S&W to boot.
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