That truly is something of a T-Day miracle. I know that there's a thread floating around somewhere on the Forum that describes the process to be allowed to buy, anyone have a quick tutorial on this? I wouldn't mind getting a vintage M1911 to go with my '42 Luger P.08.....
Wow, I'd love to have an old Remington-Rand. Old enough to not have been issued a 9mm during my Army career, always carried a M1911A1. Always was my favorite.
How do you go about getting your name on
the "wish list" ?
What steps need to be taken to be able to
buy from CMP ?
I have never dealt with this program.
How do you go about getting your name on
the "wish list" ?
What steps need to be taken to be able to
buy from CMP ?
I have never dealt with this program.
Thanks, Chuck
If you've never purchased from the CMP you may already be too late for their 1911's. They'll go fast.
How do you go about getting your name on
the "wish list" ?
What steps need to be taken to be able to
buy from CMP ?
I have never dealt with this program.
Thanks, Chuck
Go to the CMP website. It is explained there. There some fairly strict requirements. Not just anyone can buy from them.
Among other requirements "customers (must) be members of a CMP affiliated club or organization".
OK, went to the site and filled out the form. I did get a M1 many moons ago, through my membership and participation with the Hawaii Rifle Assn. But that was over 20 years ago, and a couple of moves as well...
I am currently a member of a local club with affiliation, so who knows, maybe there's a chance. I am sure there will be an overwhelming demand to own a real-deal piece of history!
I personally believe it will be months before any of these show up for sale. Perhaps not even at all, the bill says they "may" be transferred, not "shall" be transferred. If they do make it, CMP will vet them, grade them, and repair them as necessary. They will trickle out. Perhaps they will be auctioned, as they do the M1 Carbines they have. Just my 2 cents worth.
Well, knock me over with a feather! The last gun I need is a clapped out mishmash of parts M 1911A1, but this is historic. I purchased one from the predecessor to the CMP in 1962 for the princely sum of $17.50. It was shipped to me direct by Railway Freight and I picked it up at the railroad freight office when notified it was in. I think I ordered it from a small ad in the 'American Rifleman'. It also was a A1 and proved to be so inaccurate as to make hitting an old wash tub ten yards away even once with a standard seven rounds of military surplus hard ball probable at best. At that time I didn't have a clue as how to tune up a M 1911, so after the novelty wore off I sold it to the first 'sucker' that expressed an interest. "Oh well, we grow old too fast and smart too slow".
Last edited by Big Cholla; 11-26-2015 at 11:55 PM.
Well, knock me over with a feather! The last gun I need is a clapped out mishmash of parts M 1911A1, but this is historic. I purchased one from the predecessor to the CMP in 1962 for the princely sum of $17.50. It was shipped to me direct by Railway Freight and I picked it up at the railroad freight office when notified it was in. I think I ordered it from a small ad in the 'American Rifleman'. It also was a A1 and proved to be so inaccurate as to make hitting an old wash tub ten yards away even once with a standard seven rounds of military surplus hard ball probable at best. At that time I didn't have a clue as how to tune up a M 1911, so after the novelty wore off I sold it to the first 'sucker' that expressed an interest. "Oh well, we grow old too fast and smart too slow".
OK..
So you're saying maybe i should not even bother ?????
Tell us what you really think about the program !!!
Maybe i get lucky and get an all original Singer with
all the matching stamped parts.
OK, probably not....
Anybody else have good, bad, indifferent,
purchases thru the program ??
[QUOTE=Big Cholla;138816273 I purchased one from the predecessor to the CMP in 1962 for the princely sum of $17.50.[/QUOTE]
That is too funny. I guarantee these won't be $17.50. With the Garands and Carbines going for over a grand, these will probably approach that. And, yes, they will be a conglomeration of available surplus parts.
Well, knock me over with a feather! The last gun I need is a clapped out mishmash of parts M 1911A1, but this is historic. I purchased one from the predecessor to the CMP in 1962 for the princely sum of $17.50. It was shipped to me direct by Railway Freight and I picked it up at the railroad freight office when notified it was in. I think I ordered it from a small ad in the 'American Rifleman'. It also was a A1 and proved to be so inaccurate as to make hitting an old wash tub ten yards away even once with a standard seven rounds of military surplus hard ball probable at best. At that time I didn't have a clue as how to tune up a M 1911, so after the novelty wore off I sold it to the first 'sucker' that expressed an interest. "Oh well, we grow old too fast and smart too slow".
Think of it as buying a 64 1/2 Mustang that's in rough shape for $500. You don't buy it without expecting to put money in it. A 1911 is very responsive to accurizing and tuning. To shoot that badly it must have had some gross problems that would be obvious to somebody used to working on them.
All a big misunderstanding. He thought CMP was the Canadian Mounted Police. Ship 'em off to Canada seemed like a good idea. Retraction of his signature is pending.
OK..
So you're saying maybe i should not even bother ?????
Tell us what you really think about the program !!!
I think it is a perfectly wonderful program and I don't begrudge their charging 'what the traffic will bear.'
Maybe i get lucky and get an all original Singer with
all the matching stamped parts.
OK, probably not....
The employees working their way thru box after box of M 1911s will each have a list of special guns to watch out for. Not to say that a collectible one might not slip thru. One can only hope.
Anybody else have good, bad, indifferent,
purchases thru the program ??
Yes, me! I was young and uneducated and I also about that time purchased a M 1 Carbine and a Springfield 03A3. The M1 Carbine turned out to be a full auto M2! I took it to the gunstore where I had worked for four years. We called the ATF and they came down and we all had a good laugh. They gave me a letter which I sent to the agency (darned if I can remember the correct name.) and about 4 or 5 months later I received a correct semi-auto M1 Carbine. That M1 Carbine lasted for five or six years and I sold it for next to nothing. BTW, I have heard stories that I wasn't the only buyer of M1 Carbines that was sent a full auto version.
I turned the 03A3 into a beautiful .270 Winchester hunting rifle with a P.O. Ackley barrel, a custom trigger and a handmade stock. I put way too much work into that rifle. Later, I was living in Georgia and had to drive about 34 miles to a rifle range. It was lunch time and so stopped at a well known Barbecue Restaurant at a 'nothing' road intersection. While I was inside someone broke the passenger's window of my pickup and stole the custom 03A3 rifle. I have never heard a word from any law enforcement about it.
With my history, perhaps I should pass on the opportunity to experience those things all over again with the up coming DCM sales of M 1911s. Nah, I'm a sucker and now I know how to rebuilt one. :-)
Chuck
Well, the softwear says my message was 'too short'. Now its not!
The CMP thing is just part of the NDAA. Probably didn't feel the 1911s were worth any sort of battle that would cost him capital.
...on another note, the NDAA also provides for Military Working Dogs to retire Stateside & their handlers get first crack at adoption. I was kind of surprised that this was not already the case.
RE: the Garands from Korea. Those rifles are not going to the CMP as the Korean Gov. Wants to Sell/ or has sold, the rifles to private companies. The rifles that were "LOANED" to Korea have long ago been returned to the Army. The rifles in question are rifles that the Koreans say they bought and therefore are subject to the military firearms import regulations. The same thing happened to the Danish Garands in the 90s. The rifles that were loaned could be returned, the ones they bought, no. Most of those guns went to Canada or were broken down into parts kits.
As for the 45s: It will be years, if ever (The SecArm is a political appointee and serves the POTUS ) and then they will have to be sold at fair market value(CMP charter requires that) Also consider that with the exception of a few special purchases, no 1911s, in any quantity or configuration have been purchased since the termination of the contracts at the end of WW2. Those that survive will be hard used. Thousands have already be destroyed by Capt. Krunch (During the Clinton years), given away as part of Military Aid packages or stripped for spare parts. Not likely that any that ever get to the public will be worth what the CMP will be forced to ask for them and the really nice ones (if there are any) will go to the auction (Big Bucks) I hope some of them make it, just because that is what should have happened long ago. GB
Think of it as buying a 64 1/2 Mustang that's in rough shape for $500. You don't buy it without expecting to put money in it. A 1911 is very responsive to accurizing and tuning. To shoot that badly it must have had some gross problems that would be obvious to somebody used to working on them.
RW, you are absolutely right, but I never touched another M 1911 until 1972, when I got interested in USPSA's IPSC competition and the self defense possibilities of the commercial Colt M 1911, Mk IV, 70 Series. Then and only then did I apply myself to learning all that I could about seriously pistolsmithing 1911s. After a couple of years of practical experience I realized that I could now have made that old surplus 1911 into a real tack driver. For the twelve years I had my Gunsmithing Shop open I specialized in mods to the M 1911 and was very successful at it. I wish I had a dozen of those old clapped out surplus A1s. The rehab and accurizing of them would keep me busy and happy for the few more years of actively working at the gun bench that I have left. .......
I never carried the 1911 during my 20; we carried the M56 (S&W model 15 snub) and later the M9 when were visited foreign airfields, so I have no nostalgia for the gun on that front.
Unless there are hundreds of thousands of them and they're priced reasonable, I will just stand back and let them go by. Since I doubt those conditions are true, I have no interest in joining a feeding frenzy for a beat up gun of little utility.
It's up to the Sec. of the Army if he wants to transfer the weapons. My feeling is there will be some guns for sale next year. I've got my paperwork ready in the event the CMP offers any up. Got to have one to match my M1 carbine.
SEC. 1087. TRANSFER OF SURPLUS FIREARMS TO CORPORATION FOR
THE PROMOTION OF RIFLE PRACTICE AND FIREARMS
SAFETY.
(a) AUTHORIZATION OF TRANSFER OF SURPLUS FIREARMS TO
CORPORATION FOR THE PROMOTION OF RIFLE PRACTICE AND FIRE- ARMS SAFETY.— (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 40728 of title 36, United States
Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new
subsection:
S. 1356—288
‘‘(h) AUTHORIZED TRANSFERS.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2), the
Secretary may transfer to the corporation, in accordance with the
procedure prescribed in this subchapter, surplus caliber .45 M1911/
M1911A1 pistols and spare parts and related accessories for those
pistols that, on the date of the enactment of this subsection, are
under the control of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements
of the Department of the Army, and such material as may
be recovered by the Secretary pursuant to section 40728A(a) of
this title. The Secretary shall determine a reasonable schedule
for the transfer of such surplus pistols.
‘‘(2) The Secretary may not transfer more than 10,000 surplus
caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols to the corporation during any
year and may only transfer such pistols as long as pistols described
in paragraph (1) remain available for transfer.’’.
(2) TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.—Such title
is further amended—
(A) in section 40728A—
(i) by striking ‘‘rifles’’ each place it appears and
inserting ‘‘surplus firearms’’; and
(ii) in subsection (a), by striking ‘‘section 40731(a)’’
and inserting ‘‘section 40732(a)’’;
(B) in section 40729(a)—
(i) in paragraph (1), by striking ‘‘section 40728(a)’’
and inserting ‘‘subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728’’;
(ii) in paragraph (2), by striking ‘‘40728(a)’’ and
inserting ‘‘subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728’’;
and
(iii) in paragraph (4), by inserting ‘‘and caliber
.45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols’’ after ‘‘caliber .30
and caliber .22 rimfire rifles’’;
(C) in section 40732—
(i) by striking ‘‘caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30
surplus rifles’’ both places it appears and inserting
‘‘surplus caliber .22 rimfire rifles, caliber .30 surplus
rifles, and caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols’’;
and
(ii) in subsection (b), by striking ‘‘is over 18 years
of age’’ and inserting ‘‘is legally of age’’; and
(D) in section 40733—
(i) by striking ‘‘Section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)’’ and
inserting ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subsection
(b), section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)’’; and
(ii) by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘‘(b) EXCEPTION.—With respect to firearms other than caliber
.22 rimfire and caliber .30 rifles, the corporation shall obtain a
license as a dealer in firearms and abide by all requirements
imposed on persons licensed under chapter 44 of title 18, including
maintaining acquisition and disposition records, and conducting
background checks.’’.
(b) PILOT PROGRAM.—
(1) ONE-YEAR AUTHORITY.—The Secretary of the Army may
carry out a one-year pilot program under which the Secretary
may transfer to the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle
Practice and Firearms Safety not more than 10,000 firearms
described in paragraph (2).
S. 1356—289
(2) FIREARMS DESCRIBED.—The firearms described in this
paragraph are surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and
spare parts and related accessories for those pistols that, on
the date of the enactment of this section, are under the control
of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements of the
Department of the Army.
(3) TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS.—Transfers of surplus caliber
.45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols from the Army to the Corporation
under the pilot program shall be made in accordance with
subchapter II of chapter 407 of title 36, United States Code.
(4) REPORTS TO CONGRESS.—
(A) INTERIM REPORT.—Not later than 90 days after
the Secretary initiates the pilot program under this subsection,
the Secretary shall submit to Congress an interim
report on the pilot program.
(B) FINAL REPORT.—Not later than 15 days after the
Secretary completes the pilot program under this subsection,
the Secretary shall submit to Congress a final
report on the pilot program.
(C) CONTENTS OF REPORT.—Each report required by
this subsection shall include, for the period covered by
the report—
(i) the number of firearms described in subsection
(a)(2) transferred under the pilot program; and
(ii) information on any crimes committed using
firearms transferred under the pilot program.
(c) LIMITATION ON TRANSFER OF SURPLUS CALIBER .45 M1911/
M1911A1 PISTOLS.—The Secretary may not transfer firearms
described in subsection (b)(2) under subchapter II of chapter 407
of title 36, United States Code, until the date that is 60 days
after the date of the submittal of the final report required under
subsection (b)(4)(B).
Unless there are hundreds of thousands of them and they're priced reasonable, I will just stand back and let them go by. Since I doubt those conditions are true, I have no interest in joining a feeding frenzy for a beat up gun of little utility.
Got that right! Why, when I bought this ol' 1943 Remington Rand a year or so ago, I was surprised that piece of junk managed to keep the very first twelve shots I ever fired from it on the paper at twenty yards. It's the pistol I used to qualify for my concealed handgun permit, though. The R.O., an old ex-Marine, got a big grin on his face when I stepped up to the line holding this old 1911A1.
It isn't pretty and it isn't one of the stereotypical tacti-cool pistols with fancy sights and extended this and that things on it. No high capacity magazines, either...they're all WWII vintage just like the pistol. But it gets regular workouts at the range. It has that glass rod breaking trigger pull that 1911s are known for, and it does what it was designed to do, which is put big fat heavy bullets in a small area at combat distances. Does it quite well, too, far as I'm concerned.
But yeah, it lacks any real utility, I reckon. I would't tell that to any WWII, Korea, or Vietnam vets I might run across, though.
I retract what I said earlier about it not being pretty. It's beautiful to me.
The CMP purchase process is fairly straightforward. You have to be otherwise legal to purchase a rifle/handgun, belong to a recognized collecting/marksmanship organization (the SWCA is among them), have a notarized application form on file and a separate purchase form when the time comes.
If/when the transfer process starts, the CMP will sort through what they receive from storage and grade them; for previous offerings they used Collector, Service, Rack. Parts from unserviceable guns were also sold. Collector grades or rare examples usually went on auction and for big bucks, but agree there will be few if any of these. 99.9% will be mulitple rebuilds, mixed parts, shot or worn out, or all the above.
Finally, at no more than 10,000 per year to be sold the process will probably take nearly a decade from the start of sales. It would be nice to get one but not holding my breath waiting...
The CMP purchase process is fairly straightforward. You have to be otherwise legal to purchase a rifle/handgun, belong to a recognized collecting/marksmanship organization (the SWCA is among them), have a notarized application form on file and a separate purchase form when the time comes.
If/when the transfer process starts, the CMP will sort through what they receive from storage and grade them; for previous offerings they used Collector, Service, Rack. Parts from unserviceable guns were also sold. Collector grades or rare examples usually went on auction and for big bucks, but agree there will be few if any of these. 99.9% will be mulitple rebuilds, mixed parts, shot or worn out, or all the above.
Finally, at no more than 10,000 per year to be sold the process will probably take nearly a decade from the start of sales. It would be nice to get one but not holding my breath waiting...
Thanks for that info. Didn't know the SWCA was an organization recognized by the CMP. Good to know. I just got on CMP's sales mailing list earlier today. As far as a lot of the pistols maybe being rebuilds, that shouldn't be a problem, not for me, anyway. I've shot several arsenal rebuilds, pistols from Rock Island, Augusta, and San Antonio arsenals, and they've all been good shooters. Buyers might have to replace a spring or two or some other small part, but parts are easy to find.
I'm looking forward to having the opportunity to purchase another old 1911A1, even though no one knows yet when they'll become available.
^^^^^^^
They are not just going to be selling the complete guns, they will be selling all of the spare parts as well. I'm sure they have literally millions of spare parts.
As of now, i can find nothing positive on CMPs website
Anybody have a helpful link?
Their site isn't quite up to date. Their latest update on November 13 mentions that the bill had gone to the president for his signature, but that they had no further info at that time.
CMP is slower than snail snot. But ill bet by the time our turn comes all the decent ones will be gone. Many of the chosen few are camped out at the door waiting for the black Friday sale. Lmao.
Wow, I'd love to have an old Remington-Rand. Old enough to not have been issued a 9mm during my Army career, always carried a M1911A1. Always was my favorite.
They're great old pistols, and they're for sale all over the Internet. That said, they're no longer going for bargain basement prices like before. Ditto for the Ithaca 1911A1s. I see them with ridiculously high prices, but the average for a good Remington Rand seems to be at least $1200-$1500. Seriously. Ithacas are higher, simply because they're harder to find (less made) than Remington Rands. Earlier this year, I lucked out on a 1945 Ithaca, one of the best I'd ever seen, for a price well below market. Like to dislocated my arm I was reaching for my billfold so fast.
Who knows what the CMP will have available and how much they'll be going for. Should be interesting for sure. I'm an optimist...might be some real goodies among those pistols.
Wow, so much pessimism . I've been buying Garands from the CMP for over a decade, every one is worth every penny I paid, and I'm sure the 1911's won't be any different.
I'll be curious to see the condition of the CMP 1911A1's.
As a tank crewman in the late 70's early 80's, a 1911A1 was my personally assigned weapon. We had over 200 in the battalion, all kept in secured arms rooms. Pistols were issued as needed, then cleaned and inspected before accepted for turn in.
We drew the pistols for field exercises and gunnery periods. We shot them once a year for qualification. Marksmanship training was ad hoc or missing.
The guns were very worn and loose. They were usually cleaned in mass by a few guys while others cleaned tanks, cannons, Grease guns, MGs, and did maintenance. Slides, barrels, bushings, recoil spring and guide rods were dumped together in a half barrel of solvent. Parts were cleaned off and reassembled with no thought of matching slides to the frame they came from. The slide to frame fit was so loose that soldiers would hold the grip and shake their hand, creating a clicking that was meant to urge the Armorers to inspect and accept the weapons back to the arms room faster. Little wonder that the guns picked up a reputation for poor accuracy.
Pistols were carried in field exercises for extended periods in issued hip or shoulder holsters. The guns were worn.
With all that, I trust that the guns were rebuilt or that the CMP will make these guns functional and worth owning. I have collectible, correct 1911A1's, but I'll be in line for one of these old war horses for old time's sake.
Wow, so much pessimism . I've been buying Garands from the CMP for over a decade, every one is worth every penny I paid, and I'm sure the 1911's won't be any different.
I, for one, don't understand the pessimism. And the negativity. "They'll be worn out, " "Probably have to replace a bunch of parts," or "Bet they'll be so loose, yada yada yada." Jeez, if folks want a pristine new unfired pistol, there are LGSs in every town that'll be glad to sell you as many as you can afford.
Having a chance (no matter how slim) to buy a piece of history at what might be a decent price is a helluva lot better than having no chance at all.
But hey, the more folks pass on an opportunity, the better it'll be for those of us who want to take advantage of that opportunity.
I've got a couple of WWII .45s, a Colt (1944) and a Remington Rand (1943), and love them. That being said, I have considered selling one of them, and am now wondering if they will lose value with the influx of these CMP pistols. You know, the whole price/demand thing...
I'm not an expert, but I believe movie me are all matching original guns. That's how I bought them, and from what I've researched I believe this to be the case. They're in nice condition for army issue guns. I've attached a picture of these veterans, the Colt is on the left, and the Remington Rand on the right...
What do you guys think, should I move one along now before the market gets flooded?
I've got a couple of WWII .45s, a Colt (1944) and a Remington Rand (1943), and love them. That being said, I have considered selling one of them, and am now wondering if they will lose value with the influx of these CMP pistols. You know, the whole price/demand thing...
I'm not an expert, but I believe movie me are all matching original guns. That's how I bought them, and from what I've researched I believe this to be the case. They're in nice condition for army issue guns. I've attached a picture of these veterans, the Colt is on the left, and the Remington Rand on the right...
What do you guys think, should I move one along now before the market gets flooded?
By all means, sell now! If you don't you will be stuck with a white elephant with rapidly declining value because of the many thousands of M1911A1's that will flood the market.
What can I do to help you out of this terrible fix?
But yeah, it lacks any real utility, I reckon. I would't tell that to any WWII, Korea, or Vietnam vets I might run across, though.
Don't misunderstand, I love the 1911 in all its variations. I would love to buy one if they sell, and if they sell for a reasonable price. However, I don't buy safe queens or buy a gun just to say I have it.
My dad has a Colt chambered in 38 Super that he bought in the 50s, the bluing is beautiful and I don't think he's put more than a box or two through it. Someday it'll be mine, will never be sold, rarely fired, and never carried (I have other 1911s for that).
What I'm saying is that the guns that will be sold (and there may very well be WRM new ones in the mix) have no sentimental value to me, so if there are only a few thousand to sell it's going to turn me off to joining the frenzy.
If the CMP sells it, it will be shootable. If not, it can be returned and made to shoot. I've had to return a couple of rifles in the past for repair and they did very well. Did you notice they will only get 10,000 a year? The math is 5,000 1911's per store. Divide by 12 and you get a little over 400 per month per store. It will look like Black Friday at the Mall unless they come up with some way to orderly sell them. If they put them up for auction, I won't be a player.
I'm thinking, a WAG obviously, that they'll sell them by mail order much like they sell Garands. Send in paperwork, get in line, and you either get one or you don't.
They'll have to be sent to an FFL.
I doubt there will be any in the stores, CMP doesn't want a riot. The primo condition 1911's will most likely go on the auction block,since they'll be commanding much higher prices than rack grade or field grade.
The others, much like the Garands, will be a **** shoot. You get next one ready to ship.
I've got my paperwork ready to go, and if I get one fine, if not life goes on. I won't be losing sleep either way.
I have it on very good authority that there are still some un-issued WWII M1911A1s remaining in Army depot storage. But those will never be sold to civilians, or probably to anyone else.
Mark: If I still had the old rattle trap, it would be yours at $42.50. It isn't often that one can make 200%. Of course you would have to pay the Railway Freight to you. ..... :-)
Wow, so much pessimism . I've been buying Garands from the CMP for over a decade, every one is worth every penny I paid, and I'm sure the 1911's won't be any different.
I wonder where the ones I see year after year at shows in Vegas came from. I'm not about to pay $800 for the rat gnawed, multi-colored pitted Garand that is the norm around here. The "nice" ones that have been sanded and pimp shined have tags for $1200 or more and they aren't worth half of that to me as a milsurp collector.
Obama Signs Law That Allows Public Sale of Surplus U.S. Army 1911s
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Originally Posted by dmar
I've got a couple of WWII .45s, a Colt (1944) and a Remington Rand (1943), and love them. That being said, I have considered selling one of them, and am now wondering if they will lose value with the influx of these CMP pistols. You know, the whole price/demand thing...
I'm not an expert, but I believe movie me are all matching original guns. That's how I bought them, and from what I've researched I believe this to be the case. They're in nice condition for army issue guns. I've attached a picture of these veterans, the Colt is on the left, and the Remington Rand on the right...
What do you guys think, should I move one along now before the market gets flooded?
Guns in that condition will just keep going up in value IMHO
I'd hang on to em
I wonder where the ones I see year after year at shows in Vegas came from. I'm not about to pay $800 for the rat gnawed, multi-colored pitted Garand that is the norm around here. The "nice" ones that have been sanded and pimp shined have tags for $1200 or more and they aren't worth half of that to me as a milsurp collector.
Never seen any rat Garands, and never paid more than 595 for any, except one. Why would anyone buy any overpriced at a gunshow anyways, since the CMP has plenty.
My SG tractor gun is a beaut I paid 495 for, worth 4X now
I did once pay 1100 for a Collector grade SA, worth 3x that right now.
To each his own, can't wait to get my hands on one of those thousand dollar chewed up 1911's.
Obama Signs Law That Allows Public Sale of Surplus U.S. Army 1911s
. I've been buying Garands from the CMP for over a decade, every one is worth every penny I paid, and I'm sure the 1911's won't be any different.
"They'll be worn out, " "Probably have to replace a bunch of parts," or "Bet they'll be so loose, yada yada yada." Jeez, if folks want a pristine new unfired pistol, there are LGSs in every town that'll be glad to sell you as many as you can afford.
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