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Old 01-22-2016, 02:03 PM
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they'll start @ $1,000 and go up from there.

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New USGI clones are way more affordable. I'll pass. I could buy one new colt.
The new auto ordnance ww2 army cost me $389 at the time it's the best clone out there. Now I think there around $600. That's brand new with no wear or high mileage. No rattle frame sound.

It's your call and your $$ I have to get the most bang fr my hard earned dollar or my 120lb wife will beat me, lol

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At $1000, I'll pass - and I imagine most everyone else will also, unless they are Singers or unfired NIBs.
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Well cross one of my wish-list guns off. It would be nice to have a 1911 from the CMP, but the $1K starting price is a turn off.
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Good to hear so many dropping out, it should make it easier for me to get one....or two. Thanks.
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At $1,000 these will be the worst ones being offered. Anything cheaper will probably be fixems?

This is why I went for the new AO army ww2 clone. I have the SA USGI MIL SPEC too I'm under a $1,000 for both. And enough money for a few happy meals.
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Sounds comparable to what they are selling for on gunbroker.
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Old 01-22-2016, 06:43 PM
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Putting a VW motor into a Pininfarina body doesn't make the car a Ferrari.

Here's my clone, nothing but a clone.

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This is BS, combat vets ought to get one for $1. These pistols
are WW2 production. I don't know how much they cost govt,
but a new 1911 Colt was $100 at gunshops in 1969. Maybe they
should let Post Office handle sales, they could manage to go in
the hole on the deal.
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Old 01-22-2016, 06:59 PM
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I presently own a war-time production (1942) Colt that I gave $150 for "several" years ago. Now I wouldn't sell mine for that due to condition, etc. but unless there's something special about the CMP's at $1000 plus, they're priced out of my range.
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$1000 to start? No thanks. Most likely it will be another couple of years (if at all) before they come up for sale and I'm sure the price will have climbed above that $1000 mark by that time. At that point I think I'd rather have a Dan Wesson.
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Count me in. That is $1 more than the MSRP for a new Smith "Classic" Model 29, complete with lock, MIM parts, and funky grips. Sounds like a bargain to me for a pistol that served this country for 70 years or so. I haven't seen a USGI 1911 for less than that for a while. Plus, the money goes to a good cause.
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I've bought 3 Garands from the cmp and count myself as a supporter, but they are getting out of hand. Prices go up every year. Their original purpose, to promote marksmanship, is kind of hard to do when they keep pricing people out of the game. M1 Carbines are being auctioned for over a grand. 50 year old surplus ammo in rusty cans keeps going up. I don't care about their traveling air rifle range. They're never gonna come to my area.

A grand for a 70 year old 1911 is absurd. I'd never give that for a worn out 45. At least my Garands fire a high powered rifle round and are reasonably priced. I don't want to hear about operational costs. They're getting guns for free and selling them for a grand. I could maybe see $700. But a grand? Screw that.

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The CMP is obligated by law (statute?) to sell at market prices. That being said, they will have no problems selling them - not as quickly as if they were $500, but they will sell. Watch out for the sky-high auction prices on the nicer ones.
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Old 01-22-2016, 08:06 PM
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Enjoying all the negativity should make buying all the easier.

I was worried for a bit.

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I'm amazed at some of the comments about this. The negativity.

I really wonder what some forum members think a nice vintage WWII 1911A1 sells for in the real world today, instead of the world of your imaginations? If you can find one for less than $1K, I'd advise you to jump on it ASAP.

And please don't bring up what you paid for one "a few years ago" or "here a while back" or any time back in the 20th Century. That's meaningless now. It isn't 1969 any more (thank the Lord). Or even 1980 or 1990. It's 2016, the 21st Century. The days of picking up a WWII .45 for a couple of hundred bucks are long gone, along with $0.25 gasoline and $0.30 for a loaf of bread. I paid $75 for a S&W 28-2 back in '74...think I could buy one NIB for that now? Tell me where, I'll start packing my bag.

Tell you right now, I sure wouldn't mind finding an original 1911A1 in good condition for $1K...or even a really nice marked arsenal rework with the proper stamps.

If I had the money, I'd buy 'em at a grand each all day long.

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Yea, 1K for something that has a colt frame, Remington slide and who knows barrel.
Just like I carried in the 1960's......
Rather spend $200-$300 less and get a Colt Government NIB.
"But Grandpa, you carried one of them old ones."
"Yea, and they were beat to hell back then!"
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A bit more than I expected, but I'll likely still buy one.

Yep, you can buy a G.I. type clone or a brand new 1911 from any number of makers for a whole lot less. Feel free to do so.

I guess the concept of history is lost on some folks.
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"I guess the concept of history is lost on some folks."

There is no date of when the 1911 was made, how many times it's been rebuilt or where is was stored or used....

No history with them at all.

Now, a Luger at least has a date made and sometimes can trace where it was used or rebuilt.
Not so with any 1911.........
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I'm looking into my crystal ball and can't seem to see these mix and match everyone else does. Help a poor boy out here, post some pics.
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This is CMP's idea of a joke?
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This is BS, combat vets ought to get one for $1. These pistols
are WW2 production. I don't know how much they cost govt,
but a new 1911 Colt was $100 at gunshops in 1969. Maybe they
should let Post Office handle sales, they could manage to go in
the hole on the deal.
I agree vets should get the gun of their choice to take when they go home. No need to distinguish between combat vets, and non combat vets. They all did what they were told to do they all served our country and they all deserve our thanks.
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I will gladly take 2 if they can get me the one I had in Vietnam and the one my dad had at the Battle of The Bulge.
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I'm with ya' Ladder13
It's for the once in a lifetime deal for me. If i can get
a nice condition service grade for 1200 i will get one.
Imagine if they only release 200 or 2,000 the first year?
"Some" folks would pay real good money 5 years or so
down the line for a first year release. Nature of the Beast.
You heard the man say maybe 10,000 total.
That's not many for the military and .45 nuts out there.

It'll happen just because they were the first 1911's released
by the CMP in how long ?? They would be great because you
could "play" with them and not diminish the value if you
bought it looking to sell or trade (down the road).
A clone is just a clone.
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A grand for a very nice one, maybe. A grand for a beat to hell one? No thanks. And where's the history? Did it storm the beaches of Normandy, or guard dirty underwear in a Quonset hut at Fort Dix?

PT Barnum was right. There is a sucker born every minute. A service grade with almost new barrel M1 Garand for $730 is reasonable. But at least field grades are cheaper.
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It's only money to me, I didn't spend my life wasting money drinking and smoking with nothing to show but yellow drawers and bad breath.
I'll have something to treasure.
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I wonder if specific makers will be available. I'd sure like to add a Rem-UMC to my collection. I think a Singer or a US&S would be out of my price range.
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My first two service grade Garands cost me $400 apiece if I remember
correctly. Later on I bought a really nice 1903A3 for $400 plus a couple
more rack grade Garands for something less than $400 apiece but I
can't remember exactly how much right now. I fully expected to buy a
1911 if they were ever released and I know the guns I bought are
worth more today than what I paid, but...a beater 1911 for $1,000?
I've made it this far without one and I guess I can make it the rest of
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At $1,000 in the beginning will they go higher? Or lower? What is rack grade condition wise?

My dad was an alcoholic and a gambler. He had nothing to show. But he was happy. I'm 180 degrees different. The most I ever spent on one gun was recently to replace one I traded in a series government colt 1911a1 in nickel. These are rare in excellent condition. I replaced all but one gun I traded in that's a colt Python. Someday when I'm ready maybe I'm just way to frugal.
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My first two service grade Garands cost me $400 apiece if I remember
correctly. Later on I bought a really nice 1903A3 for $400 plus a couple
more rack grade Garands for something less than $400 apiece but I
can't remember exactly how much right now. I fully expected to buy a
1911 if they were ever released and I know the guns I bought are
worth more today than what I paid, but...a beater 1911 for $1,000?
I've made it this far without one and I guess I can make it the rest of
the way.
I been looking for a beater, truck gun, 1911a1 for a while now.
The new AO ww2, SA USGI-mil spec, my norinco are better than the beater I'm browsing for. I may try a Tisas next something under $400.
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I'd bet field grade will be under a grand and service grade will be around a grand. It will be tough for them to sell 10,000 a year when you have to jump though all the CMP hoops and have no idea what you're receiving if they start at over $1,000.
The pricing at the beginning might be a little difficult because of the pent up demand but 10,000 a year for 10 years straight is quite a few guns.
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10,000 ain't very many in the big picture. Divide that by 50 states= 200 per state, that's spreading them pretty thin. I don't
know anything about CMP business rules about pricing, must
be the only profitable branch of government. I remember under
Carter Administration, I think, that government was paying $12@
to have M1 Garands destroyed. Govt program sucks since they
Did away with DCM. I won't buy anything off CMP, I guarantee
nobody is going to buy the one I carried.
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Guys, why the debate, if you don't want to buy one, don't. I have bought several rifles from both DCM and CMP and have always been pleased. Will I buy a 1911, maybe, but it is nice to know that I can at least have the opportunity rather than those historic guns being destroyed like so many others have been. All the best, Joe.
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Smart $$ buys as many of the CMP 1911's you can. I like my $$ very much and try to buy things that hold value and appreciate. CMP is a very good thing, my first M1 cost $165.00 from DCM and at that time you where allowed to buy one per LIFETIME! We got it good, stop whining.
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The CMP is obligated by law (statute?) to sell at market prices. That being said, they will have no problems selling them - not as quickly as if they were $500, but they will sell. Watch out for the sky-high auction prices on the nicer ones.
It's actually in the US Code


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/40732
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I been looking for a beater, truck gun, 1911a1 for a while now.
The new AO ww2, SA USGI-mil spec, my norinco are better than the beater I'm browsing for. I may try a Tisas next something under $400.
The Rock Island 1911 is on sale locally for $352 starting
tomorrow. Maybe in your area also if you look.
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I don't understand the whining. Don't buy one!

Where else can you find a gun that was part of history at a decent price? Yes, $1000 is a lot of money. Imagine if they went straight to the highest bidder so they could sell them on Gunbroker for $2000 each?

If I wanted one, which I don't, I gladly give $1000 for a piece of history.

Many of us vets qualified and/or carried them on duty. Is a $1000 to much to ask to bring those long past memories back?
I don't think so.

Years ago I met a WWII vet at a gun range. In his 80's, hands shaking badly, gun wavering from one side to the other. He could still hit his target at 7 yards with the Colt he brought after the war. He let me shoot it. It rattled. The sights stunk. The bluing worn. But when the gun barked, it did so loudly, reliably, and accurately.

That old man was proud to have it and proud he could still shoot it.

Now translate that to a still living vet or one of their sons or daughters that remember "ole slab sides" and now have a chance to own one.

It's not always about the money.
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KP, you are exactly right, it ain't about the money, it's about
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A grand for a very nice one, maybe. A grand for a beat to hell one? No thanks. And where's the history? Did it storm the beaches of Normandy, or guard dirty underwear in a Quonset hut at Fort Dix?

PT Barnum was right. There is a sucker born every minute.
There are lots of collectors and shooters who are members of this forum.

I reckon we're all "suckers" because we're willing to spend our money on something we want...is that right?

Good thing I don't listen to what a bunch of people around here say or I'd never buy another gun long as I live.

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Well cross one of my wish-list guns off. It would be nice to have a 1911 from the CMP, but the $1K starting price is a turn off.
Mark my words, $1K will end up being a bargain.

Just for an example, there's a WWII Remington Rand for sale online somewhere. It's in decent shape, even though it does have a noticeable "idiot scratch" and some other marks on it. It also has what collectors refer to as a "Type 2" slide, although it isn't mentioned in the description. You have to know what you're looking at. They're somewhat hard to find. Some people have apparently noticed the slide, because this pistol will definitely sell for well over $1600, because it hasn't even closed yet.

There's no telling just what might come up among all these CMP pistols.
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Who cares where the gun "was"? If it spent it's time in some storage locker in Virginia or on the island of Saipan, I want one.

Where was this $730 Garand "with almost new barrel"? Maybe Gomer Pyle carried it at the Artic Circle.

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Been waiting to get more details, as I am sure many of you guys have. $1k is a little more than I thought they would start at, but I bet they will have no trouble selling them all.
I doubt I will participate, but it is nice to have the option.
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I'm looking into my crystal ball and can't seem to see these mix and match everyone else does. Help a poor boy out here, post some pics.
I call them hybrids, rather than mix and match pistols. They're all over the Internet. Colts with Remington Rand and Ithaca slides. Remington Rands with Colt barrels (I have one, a '43 RIA rework). A lot of them are genuine arsenal reworks with the proper stampings to prove it. You'll see Ithacas with Colt frames and vice versa. And it's well documented that early Remington Rands used Colt safeties and slide stops left over from WWI. I think Colt furnished about 200,000 of them to RR.

The thing is, a lot of people don't seem to understand John Browning's basic concept for the 1911. Without going into a whole lot of detail, the pistol was designed and manufactured with the concept of parts interchangeability being a major factor in determining its suitability as a military pistol.

You might find a Remington Rand with a Flannery barrel. Flannery barrels, usually associated with WWII Ithacas, were a staple for field replacement in all brands of 1911A1s.

Some G.I. around Bastogne finds a 1911 in the snow. He decides to replace the High Standard barrel in his Remington Rand pistol with the High Standard barrel from the found pistol. Since HS barrels were standard in the Remington Rands, who will ever know the replacement barrel isn't original to the pistol? Answer: No one. These parts were not numbered to the gun, period. The pistol could turn up in 2016 advertised as "original". Is it? No. But who cares?

I'd be surprised if I ever find a WWII .45 that doesn't rattle a bit. It's just totally irrelevant. These aren't target pistols.

Without serious documentation, the question of "originality" will always exist with a lot of these old pistols. It's a moot point far as I'm concerned. A random arsenal rework is no less historically significant than any random 1911A1 that appears to be original.
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Without serious documentation, the question of "originality" will always exist with a lot of these old pistols. It's a moot point far as I'm concerned. A random arsenal rework is no less historically significant than any random 1911A1 that appears to be original.
Good luck convincing the "all matching" Garand mafia that this is true.
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Considering what the government paid for these when new, I can't help but get that special "just got ripped off at the gun show" feeling about buying one of these...
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Thanks for the update.

Lots of "sticker shock" expressed here, and lots of indignation about perceived price gouging by a quasi-governmental organization.

What I took out of the article is:

1. The Secretary of the Army is authorized to release up to 100,000 pistols to CMP.

2. There is currently no Secretary of the Army, so until a new appointment is made this program is rather moot.

3. There is no statutory requirement for release of the pistols, only an authorization to do so. The next appointee may act or not, as he/she may see fit.

4. No one at CMP has seen any of these pistols, or knows with any certainty whether or not they will ever see these pistols, or has any concrete information about condition, etc. A CMP officer has offered an opinion, based upon long experience with surplus US military arms, that certain percentages will be within certain established grades. That may or may not be proven out by experience.

Personally, I will withhold judgment until more is known and an actual sales program comes into existence. If that should happen I would be surprised if the military actually delivers as many as 10,000 per year, and even more surprised if CMP is able to process and sell half that number per year, at least until all the kinks are worked out of the program.

Currently on the collector market an original M1911A-1 with all correct parts and in very good to excellent condition will bring between $1600 and $40,000, depending on maker and rarity. A beater, mix-master, re-arsenaled piece with who knows what combination will bring $700-plus. In short, I don't think that a benchmark of $1000 for a "service grade" original pistol is all that unreasonable. These are more than serviceable firearms, they are historical artifacts.

Maybe, just maybe, there will be a few pristine examples. Perhaps a handful of fully correct US&S pistols will turn up. There may even be a Singer or two lying in government stores. Of course, all of those will be auction pieces and we would have to compete with every deep pockets collector in the country for any chance at all!
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Once the CMP gets them guns they won't dilly dally around selling them. They can move the merchandise! I can't understand how anybody can say anything negative about this?
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I'm glad I live in the next state. I'm going to drive down and pick up a few so I don't get any surprises.
I'm rather excited.
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Who cares where the gun "was"? If it spent it's time in some storage locker in Virginia or on the island of Saipan, I want one.

Where was this $730 Garand "with almost new barrel"? Maybe Gomer Pyle carried it at the Artic Circle.
My HRA Garand that I got 18 months ago for $675 from the CMP has an 8/55 barrel with a throat reading of 0+, and a muzzle reading of 1+. Basically brand new. Looks like it was never even issued. It did come with new wood but it hasn't been reparkerized and all but one part is HRA, as well.

I believe a grand for a GI 1911 in better than average shape is a good deal. I don't care what some private seller can get for his. I doubt he got it for free. But for the CMP to charge that much for a gun they paid nothing for is out of line. And to justify it for "the education of future shooters" is ****. How many shooters in this country get to shoot at a CMP match?

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I can't understand how anybody can say anything negative about this?
Some folks aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something.
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The thing is, a lot of people don't seem to understand John Browning's basic concept for the 1911. Without going into a whole lot of detail, the pistol was designed and manufactured with the concept of parts interchangeability being a major factor in determining its suitability as a military pistol.
Browning was a brilliant man but parts inter changeability among same machines was achieved before he was born and the idea older than this country.
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