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02-04-2016, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DWalt
I think the Armscor Filipino 1911s are sold under several names by different sellers/importers. I have read that the Armscor pistols are fairly well made, but I have no personal experience with them.
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ARMSCOR makes VERY accurate reliable and long lasting 1911 type pistols in the Philippines. A lot of people who shoot 1911's in competition use the various ARMSCOR pistols and they are top contenders against the big name pistols
I owned mine for over 14 years and it was the most accurate 1911 I have ever shot...till I found an old Sistema Colt that I shot better.
You can not do better than an ARMSCOR pistol for 3 times the cost.
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02-04-2016, 01:00 PM
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There's always the mystique factor with a 1911. Colts were always the best, until people decided a Singer or Remington Rand was.
Chinese Norinco were junk, until they became made out of railroad ties, then became great. South American guns were junk, then they became made out of salvaged German battleship armor.
Filipino guns were junk, then they became made on old US Colt tools that imbued them with the fighting spirit of Douglas MacArthur.
Turkish guns are junk now, until they end up lasting and working; then they will become something too. Maybe they will be made of the melted down scimitars and shields of our southernmost NATO ally.
In all likelihood the guns are built fine, and set at a low pricepoint because these manufacturers are trying to get a foothold in the US market. If these same factories were a former subdivision of, say, Beretta, (like Stoeger, who probably uses the same materials), you could add $200 to the base price and people would still call them bargains right now.
And that's fine, it gives us options. Sometimes the option works out, and sometimes it doesn't. If it does, then some of us got bargains.
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02-04-2016, 01:07 PM
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I will add in- for nostalgia purposes, nothing beats a real USGI gun. The old Sistemas are now moving to the next tier, mostly because they are also 70-80 yr old, well-worn, classic 1911's.
That's the 1911 I want, and if I can't get one of those in my budget, I'd rather get something else that looks close to that for reasonable, instead of spending a grand or 2 (or more) for stainless and chrome, with a big billboard on the slide. Other folks may have different tastes.
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02-04-2016, 01:39 PM
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It is truly interesting to read all the various opinions, with all the pros and cons about the foreign made 1911 Clones out there. I will venture to say that all the pros, are from those of us who either own one or more of them, or at least have had the opportunity to handle and shoot one! On the other hand, I will venture to say that most of the cons are from people who have never even held one in their hands, let alone shot one. Have some pieces had problems, sure they have, but no different than US Govt made ones.
All I can say and I say it in all seriousness, get your hands on one, rent or buy (buying is a good idea) and run it through your test program. Then, you will understand! The Govt 1911 is not a complicated weapon, It's about as simple and basic as it gets. It's super easy to duplicate and make as strong and reliable as the originals!
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02-04-2016, 02:47 PM
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Several of my friends really like their Ruger SR1911.
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02-04-2016, 09:19 PM
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There's an article in Handloader magazine #283, 4-2013, about Colt
and the 1911. The author visited the Colt factory and found rows of
machinery that were used to manufacture 1911s sitting idle, destined
to be scrapped. Why? Was Colt getting out of producing their famous
1911? Yeah, at least in the traditional way. A ten million dollar, to
start, investment in new CNC machinery was in place of the old tooling
for production of the 1911. The author got an explanation of the
advantages of modern CNC technology over the traditional methods.
Speed, quality, precision previously beyond reach. It's clear that rapid
advances in manufacturing techology are being made and this requires
some changes in thinking for the consumer who is looking for both
quality and a good price. The consumer will be the beneficiary of all
this in time. It's hard to let go of things that we knew were true and
had come to depend on but when it comes to what defines quality in
the things we buy the times they are a-changing. The higher quality
that buyers are reporting about their new Colts can only be a good
thing.
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