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Old 02-25-2016, 08:07 PM
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Count me in the "not worth it" camp.

9mm full-auto is AWESOME. The MP5 is a laser and keeping an entire mag on a body target at 100m is easy.

9mm semi-auto rifle (legal rifle i.e. 16" barrel) --- 1, you're beyond the sweet spot in 9mm barrel length (8"-12"); 2, if you're restricted to semi auto only from a 16" barrel, for Heaven's sake move up to a rifle caliber! If you want a training rifle, go .22LR. Yes, I know it's hard to find but I can easily buy 500 round boxes for ~$32. Try getting 500 9mm for that price.

I find the recoil impulse of 9mm blowback to be worse than 5.56mm.

The only platform where it starts to make sense is an SBR, particularly suppressed. But now you're talking about $400 in stamps and all the complications of NFA items.

I see just about zero utility in the "cowboy" method of matching pistol and rifle ammo in the modern age. True rifle cartridges are so far beyond pistol ones in capability that it's just better to specialize. Just look to the military; they pay a lot of attention to common caliber among like weapons (rifle, pistol, machinegun, etc) but about zero cross-platform.

Not trying to get all mall ninja on everyone. It's cool to have "fun guns" particularly when you have casual shooters as friends or family. But at least for me and mine, we'll stick to rifle cartridges in rifles and pistol cartridges in pistols. I broke that rule with an AK pistol but with a brace it runs right up to the SBR line without crossing it. If not for the brace I wouldn't have bought one.

Yep, not compact or worth it all...
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Neat. I had a SUB2K. Note the past tense.

My AK pistol with a brace is much shorter when ready to shoot (obviously can't do much with a folded SUB2K). Hits far harder too. Can legally carry it on my body or in a vehicle loaded. No, I'm not that guy open carrying an AK pistol at Starbucks. But I could

Biggest downside of course is weight; the M92 is much heavier than the Kel-Tec.

I've held the 2nd gen and while it's made some serious improvements I don't think I'm getting one.
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Can carry sub2k in car/truck loaded in my state too. I can shoulder mine with no brace debate, either.
Knock down power - I give to the AK.
Other than that... Sub2k is better for me.
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