I have been thinking about getting me a old Colt C&B
but what kind of $ can i expect to spend on a basketcase.

Due to laws here i have to find an original made back in the era.
The new Italian clones are licensed here but not the originals
and if i can get me a convertion cylinder (that IS licensed here)
i can get it on a "parts license" and it will not count as a full gun
I allready have some .38S&W brass and tools for reloading (- the revolver )

How many Colt 1851s do you encounter in Sweden,never mind a basket case? 1851s are easy enough to find here,but I don't recall ever seeing a rebuildable basket case offered.A conversion to a centerfire,requires more than a cylinder.

Well.. i was thinking of getting it from the US

And i know of several peoples that makes all the parts i could need

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Don't know if it qualifies.. but one
is listed in the classified section now.
But is a long ways from a basket case.

Very nice one...
but it has to be made before 1890 for it to be free of license in Sweden

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Is it possible that you could buy a Ruger Old Army without the cyl as
a parts gun and then buy a conversion cyl later as parts?

No.
Has to been made before 1890.
And only muzzle loader, no cartridges.

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I am not sure that a conversion cylinder designed to fit an original 1851 is even made, but possibly those made for 1851 replicas will fit. I'll let someone else answer that. They sure make things difficult for shooters in Sweden.

There was a request very similar to yours made here a year or so ago by someone in Sweden (I think). Maybe it was you.

One of my more unusual weapons is a Swedish AG42b. Not common in the USA.

I have one of those "basket case" original Navies; bought it for $35 in 1963. It was rough then but (barely) functional. Even so I shot it occasionally. Along about 1972 the base pin,barrel and cylinder went downrange during firing. It remained in pieces for some years when a very talented black powder gunsmith managed to weld/braze/? the base pin back into the standing breech and reassemble the gun as a functional (?) wall hanger. That's where I left matters... If I were better at posting photos I would put one up here. It LOOKS worn and "experienced", but its shooting days are over.

My point is that this Navy and others like it (worn, pitted, battered, cylinder scene gone, a few replacement parts, unserviceable in any realistic way) go for about 1000 dollars nowadays. Check auction results or Flayderman.

Tough place to be a shooter, seems like.

No.. but i was inspired by him

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Sounds about the same as here then


Many moons ago i bought a cheap 1851 and a 1849 (basketcases)
Foolishly i traded them of for some **** i didnt really need and dont have now

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There were lots of Colt 1851s made, and even more Colt 1849s. But you sure don't see them much today even though they were seen often at gun shows 10-15 years ago. I have a lower condition 1849, but it's a family heirloom, it belonged to my wife's maternal great grandfather (fought on the Southern side). I also have his 3-band Enfield. I've fired both.

Qball, you might want to get on the Colt Forum.

My 1851 Colt Navy was manufactured in London, so it appears possible that these old revolvers are capable of crossing oceans.

Any original Colt Navy revolver is an item in demand, even those in poor condition. Collectors are looking for original parts to restore other guns, and will pay surprising prices for the old beaters just to acquire a few usable parts.

I recently spent about 2 years searching for an original trigger guard screw for one of my original Remington New Army revolvers. Found several guns in rough shape, begged a few owners to part with the screw I needed, none were willing to do so, and all were successful in selling their broke down old guns for pretty good prices. I finally had a machinist turn a screw for me, just so I had something to hold the old gun together. I'm still looking for a correct screw to replace the original that broke after more than 100 years of use.

As for the idea about a cartridge-firing cylinder conversion, the Colt Navy would also require modifications of the hammer (for either center-fire or rimfire cartridges), some form of loading gate to permit loading and to retain the cartridges while the revolver is in use, and some form of ejection mechanism to remove spent cartridges. All of these things would seriously compromise any value of the revolver so modified.

I think anything above a relic state gets cobbled together into a complete gun.
To find a decent parts gun,with a usable bore,etc,at a reasonable price,is a tall order.
Thirty years ago,I had the bug to get at least a Pocket 49,but soon found out that more dollars than I wanted to spend would be required,as well as a real education.I didn't want the kind of education that a newbie can get in the marketplace.I settled for a NIB second gen cased 1862 pocket,now long gone.
Colt was a great salesman and didn't mind working the system to get sales.The fact of the matter is that the Remington 1858 had a far better design in every regard.I just don't get the open top design of the Colt.

I am a member on the Coltforum but not a frequent visitor.

I dont care for any future value of the gun since i'm starting with scrap

The reason i'm trying this is Swedish gun laws. If i start with a Clone i need to
aply for a license and that license is valid for five years, then i have to reaply for another five years.
And the authorities is starting to deny way to many who reaply.

An original Colt 1851 "generation one" is free of license and i dont have to bother the authorities.
The new cylinder for cartridges is licensed, but it is considerd as "parts" and is not as five year.
Unfortunatly if i find something cheap enaugh, it could be a clone that some one sanded down to remove all stamps.
That one is how ever a greay zone as im buying an original but some one decived me

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Guess what?
I now have a cylinder to start working on
just have to aply for a license first
The cylinder in question has been fitted into a original Colt 1851 (C&B)

This will be a very long time project but i'll try to take photos

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I'm on a roll now, fingers crossed and hope to win the auktion
Colt Brevete 1851 .36cal 5 shot parts gun (made in Belgum)
Found this here in Sweden..
Ugly as **** but just what i have been looking for.
And it is perfectly legal

Unfortunatly the cylinder i was given does not fit in this,
but there is a cylinder to start working on

Just hope i get it without paying too much.

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