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Late war walther PP
I recently acquired this walther in a box of items that were being discarded.
The gun is a late ac code with non matching numbers.
I believe these were assembled after the plant was captured by the u.s. Army in 1945.
What I'd like to know is the origin of this holster. It has absolutely no markings.
Also, I've looked at about a million pics of walther PP magazines and have never seen another example of this type of floor plate.
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04-24-2016, 04:58 PM
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Btw, it functioned flawlessly right out of the holster
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Wild *** guess....... looks like a floor plate off a Beretta 34.
Nicer finish than a late war gun..........
Sweeeeeeeet............great find!!!!!
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04-24-2016, 05:08 PM
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That sounds like a plausible guess.
Actually my wife found it.
"Oh.. I got this gun today. Is it any good?"
I saw "walther" and my heart nearly stopped from joy.
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04-24-2016, 05:10 PM
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After market magazines, but not by much. Shoulder holster looks period WWII. Not a holster you see often. A lot of them weren't maker marked.
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04-24-2016, 05:18 PM
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After market magazines, but not by much. Shoulder holster looks period WWII. Not a holster you see often. A lot of them weren't maker marked.
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By after market do you mean post war walther mags?
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Magazine bodies are standard mid to late war Walter mfg'r.
The 'Walther Banner/Model, Caliber' on left side,,
The 'W' on right side appears on some very late war magazines.
The floor plates are not Walther, but do look like Beretta M34 mag floor plates as already stated.
I don't know if they interchange or can be made to interchange but it appears so.
My other thought was Hungarian Femaru pistol but they don't quite have the right spur plus those are shaped a bit different on the bottom portion and usually marked.
I wouldn't discount the pistol from War-Time production. The very last pistols usually had mixed ser#'d frames and slides. The simple 'ac' stamp was the Walther marking and considered the proof also.
IIRC the pistols put together for the GI's were in the slightly higher range and into the 39xxxx numbers.I think they are also marked with an 'R' in many instances under one of the grip panels on the lower rear edge of the frame. Sorry I can't recall which side.
I may be all wrong too,,that's been known to happen!
Check in with the Walther boys and girls over on
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they can help.
The holster looks somewhat similar to an RZM marked P38 shoulder holster pictured in Rankins(?) book on Walthers.
Could be just a local made the holster for a GI also, but it's an interesting rig never the less.
Very nice rescue!
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04-24-2016, 06:19 PM
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Thanks for the informative reply. I was unaware that non matching guns were assembled late in the war.
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I had a similar shoulder holster with a WW2 era Femaru 37. I remember wondering if it could have been something a pilot might have used being more comfortable than a regular holster. It was made of soft leather.
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04-24-2016, 07:49 PM
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I wonder if Luftwaffe pilots, who often carried the Model PP ,had access to shoulder holsters like that. Or Gestapo, etc.
The holsters may have been privately bought.
NOTE: I was typing this when the above post was made. We thought of the pilot angle separately.
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the mixed number pp's & ppk's that I've seen were in the over 400,000 range.
It is possible that yours is a factory mismatch... or it could have been the result of a war time or postwar cleaning party by a squad of Germans or US soldiers... or one assembled by a GI's from parts when their officers demanded that all captured pistols/rifles be taken apart before they were discarded... I've never seen walther floor plates like those..
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Super nice find anyway! According to my Blue Book the AC marked .32 A.C.P. replaced the Walther Banner during 1945. Like you saidsome mis-matched and assembled at factory by GIs after factory was captured according to my book. Still has considerable value but my book is not new so hate to guess at price. Thanks for showing.
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Very nice and very collectable "after allied victory put together" gun. The "W" on the late war magazines indicates that they were not heat treated.
Look like Beretta floor plates adapted to the Walther magazines. Never seen that before.
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I have one of the mismatched Walther PPs likely GI assembled in 1945. The serial number(s) are in the 3879XX range with no proofing.
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Production for the Wehrmacht started in 1940 and ended 1945 with number 390653P. Yours is missing the Walther banner and I am sure also the LCI. I have a 360xxxp with the Walther banner , no LCI but WaA.
The absence of WaA stamps that late during the war indicates private use to me and I doubt that anyone but an commissioned officer could have bought a private handgun at that time.
Mag shoes in between Berettas and Walthers are interchangeable, I had used a Walther mag shoe on a Beretta 70 magazine.
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