Everybody:

Here's one more Colt to consider. A 1922 Colt Police Positive Special. First offered I believe in 1907, in one version or another, this petite .38 Special handgun was around for another 70 or so years. I first posted this over on dabney's thread, http://smith-wessonforum.com/firearm...-revolver.html as just a couple days ago, he won a modern police shooting match with his modern version of the old tried and true Police Positive Special. The "Special" part of the name was to distinguish it from the Police Positive, which was chambered for the shorter and less powerful .38 Colt New Police cartrige, which was pretty much the same as the .38 S&W cartrige, and in fact may be interchanged with each other. In order to chamber the more powerful and longer cartrige, the cylinder had to be lengthened, and the frame slightly lengthened also, but we still have a very compact and lightweight, about 24 oz., in the 4" bbl., handgun.



This elegant little Shooting iron was much handier, lighter and quicker than the Army Special that I posted above, and easier to slip in an overcoat pocket, or in a lightweight holster. The holster in the picture actually came with a Smith and Wesson Regulation Police, and will hold either of these petite revolvers.

Certainly a candidate for a "Slick Shooter of the Roaring Twenties"!!!

Best Regards, Les

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1927 Ithaca 4E Knick:

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This Colt 1908 was sent blued to New Orleans in 1909. Obviously pimpafied there with silver, engraving and MOP grips. Remember what Patton said about MOP grips? Pretty slick especially in .380

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Those are absolutely beautiful, and certainly qualify as being "Slick"... "Shooters"... and they were a product of the (roaring) 1920s!!!

Just think... guns like this were being made, and we were still a couple of years away from the depression, and folks could afford them!!! What quality, what beauty, what character, and grace of design. I'm not knocking Today's firearms, but when we do find anything approaching the beauty, grace, and craftsmanship of those three guns, it would be very, very, expensive.

Thanks so much for sharing those with us!!!

Best Regards, Les

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Thank you

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The Savage 99 gets shot from the bench every so often
I have not shot the Ithaca NID in the two years I have owned it, and the previous owner only shot it in the field on dry days.

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Jim:

I love Patton, but he would have changed his mind if he had seen that work of art.... If that's not factory engraving, it sure is stunning!!! That is a genuine work of art. The contrast in the heavy and light lines, the restrained and elegantly executed scrollwork all tend to accentuate what was already a classic handgun design by the master, John Moses Browning. A sense of three dimensionally which few engravers achieve is present. Accentuated, no doubt by the silver plating, which allows the engraved line to oxidize a bit, and darken, thus enhancing the depth of the design.

And not over done either. Restrained and perfectly executed engraving.

Edit, 11:25, 06/06/2016: I'll admit I have been studying that amazing pistol of yours. It almost looks, and I'm sure not trying to find fault with it, but it looks like the engraving might have been done with a different set of grips (or stocks, if you prefer). The MOP seem to not fill in the space that has been left by the engraver. As I said, not trying to find fault, just an observation. I think factory grips would fill in that space.


And "Slick"? You betcha!!! I see that you are a new member... Welcome to the forum!!! You sure did come in with a "bang", if you'll pardon the phrase.

Thanks for sharing that elegant work of art with us. It's a good thing I don't own it, though, as I have an ironclad rule that I shoot everything that I own. And that's almost too pretty to shoot!!!

Best Regards, Les

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I have a few that could have been involved in the Roaring 20's.
A Colt 1903 from 1925 in 32 that was refinished before I got it.
A Beretta 1919 in 25 cal.
A Colt Army Special 38 from 1909.
A Mauser 1914 from 1915 in 32 with military marks that indicate it was used in WWI.
And last a Walther PP from the first year of production, 1929, in 32.

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My better Savage 1917 in a reproduction box. I have the original but it is not camera worthy.

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If you guys start bringing in long guns, I'm gonna have to go back to the safe...I have an LC Smith 20 gauge, a Hunter Special 12 gauge, and Savage 99, along with a 1903 Springfield with 1918 dates...

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ive long wanted a Remington model 8 and a Winchester 351. i'd likely have both by now if not for the ammunition issues.

Winchester Model 1897 (1910). 16ga, full choke. Leather with brass fittings takedown case. From my paternal grandfather, who knew me, though I not him. During the depression he would hunt Canadian geese on the shore of Lake Geneva, WI. He would line up a couple as they waddled along, and bang, two with one shot. It was food, not sport.
I used the '97 for my years in SASS.

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Big E3:

Nice assortment of firearms that were some of the best that the decade had to offer. Walther raised the bar with that new fangled double action semi-automatic design of theirs. Thanks for sharing your twenties beauties with us!!!

Best Regards, Les

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DJohn:

You guys with those Savages are making me crazy (if I wasn't already)... I keep thinking of how to get my hands on one of them!!! That's a great looking one, and I thank you for sharing with us. I am doing some research and reading right now on the little guys, I can see that that was a vacant space not just in my humble collection, but in my experience and knowledge!!!

Best Regards, Les

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Robert:

I must admit that when I originally thought of this thread, because of my criminal justice background, I was thinking mostly of cops and robbers, of the gangsters and g-men, bootleggers and revenue agents; but now that more and more folks have weighed in with their treasures, I see that I was being short sighted.

The twenties consisted of more than that element, as enticing as it is to today's gun collectors. The vast majority of folks in the USA back then were peaceful folks, just as today. Guys out shooting grouse or deer hunting, or plinking in the backyard or at camp, and engaged in a multitude of peaceful firearms related enterprise.

So I guess, in all fairness, we need to see all kinds of guns from the twenties!!! After all, the gentleman who showed his Savage 99 rifle above is also showing a type and brand of rifle that was found in the back of one of Ma Barker's shooters cars when he was captured, as well as in the deer camps of America!!!

Best Regards, Les

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M1A:

Thanks for sharing that family heirloom with us. What a fine gun the Model 97 was and is!! One of the classic designs, and still being replicated today. But how much more valuable such a firearm is when it has been passed down to, or inherited from a family member who cared for it, valued it and enjoyed and shot it!!!

Best Regards, Les

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Les-

I had a Colt Police Police Special like yours, same old grips. I bought it for $5 from a high school chum and Mother paid to have it refinished. It's a nice size for a .38 and Colt advertised that it'd take the .38-44 round after it appeared in 1930, although I think they may have been referring to their guns of that era, not older ones. And you wouldn't want to shoot those hot loads a lot in a gun that size.

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You sold a Colt .32 auto with British proofs or property marks. Some of those were sold by dealers in Denver about 1966. I saw the ads. I think the SOE used many for their agents in Europe. A couple of members of the Norwegian Resistance mentioned in books that they had them. Probably dropped by the British by air. Don't recall one book. I think the other is, "We Die Alone", by David Howarth.

Also, Colts sold well in the UK from the 1850's-on, until the awful 1997 handgun ban. I believe I saw a .32 or .380 auto in the hand of a British officer's wife in the film, "Drums", made in the 1930's. I think that may have been the movie where I also noted the canvas webbing .38 holsters in use, so they were evidently supplied by at least the 1937 Pattern date. It was set in India, then of course still under British rule. I think it's on You Tube. It's had a couple of names, so if Drums won't work, look under the name of a star, Raymond Massey.

Does anyone recall the film, "Gunga Din", after the Kipling hero? Am I senile, or did the Brits in it have Colt New Service revolvers? Could have had in real life, as many were supplied in .455 in WWI. But I haven't seen the movie in about 20 years. And the wife of a British official in India borrowed his NS in .45 Colt when she went hunting. She was without her rifle momentarily while getting into or down from a machan. A sloth bear attacked and she killed it with the .45. From, "Colt On the Trail", from Colt Firearms, about 1934.

I don't think I've ever owned a 1920's gun, save for a single-shot.410 by H&R or Iver Johnson. Marked for Diamond Arms Co., inherited from my grandfather when I was six. But I've had two nice ones from about 1935, give or take a year. One was a Colt .38 Super Match Grade, with fixed sights. Very slick in operation, but wouldn't shoot for sour grapes. I sold it before the word went around that .38 Super accuracy problems were traced to the barrels headspacing on the small semi-rim. If the barrel is chambered to headspace on the case mouth, as with most auto ctgs., it shoots fine.

The other was a NS with 5.5-inch barrel, blued, about new, in .45 Colt. Like the Super, it was beautifully made and finished. It shot right along with my M-29 .44 Magnum at 25 yards, and that's saying something. On a good day, either would plant all six shots in a ragged hole in the bull from "offhand." That astounded some people at the range who had trouble hitting man-silhouette targets at 10 yards! And that Colt shot to the sights! Most don't, and have to be re-sighted by slightly turning the barrel. That and cylinder timing problems turned me off of DA Colts.

I was totally ticked off when I found that a new Police Positive Special with the underbarrel lug wouldn't shoot right and a four-inch Diamondback didn't have enough rear sight adjustment to get dead-on. A Colt PR rep told me to just use Kentucky windage! That made me so mad that I haven't bought a Colt since! That was in the 1970's. I think their new autos are the best in several decades, and would buy a stainless .45 auto if I could now. I've handled some really well made ones.

But the Colts of the old days were really well made, if you didn't mind paying to get the barrels turned slightly, if needed. But you still had the inherent cylinder timing problem that they should have changed by 1920 or so. That later cost them a LOT of LE sales, as the problems kept armorers busy. The MK III-King Cobra changed that, but had other issues, and Colt's DA revolver market never recovered. Ruger's appearance on that scene in 1970 or so was near the final nail in the Colt DA casket. It was a pity.

However, their .45 autos have shot well for me, and I understand that the Model M .32's are very accurate. Don't know about the .380's, but read that the .380 extractors sometimes had to be tweaked at the factory for full reliability. The .32's were supposedly more reliable, unless some gunsmithing was done. I don't know how true this is, but the semi-rimmed .32 case has more variance from one manufacturer to another, and that'd seem to make them LESS reliable. I gather that using Euro 7.65mm ammo makes some Walthers, etc. more reliable. My PP did have some issues with US ammo. It got traded for a Beretta M-34 .380 that was totally reliable, if a little less accurate, mainly due to a very hard trigger pull. Either would make heart or head shots on a silhouete at 25 yards, and handgun battle is usually done at shorter ranges.

Do any of you older readers recall a comic strip called Vic Flint? One called Smilin' Jack? I believe they showed Colt Model M autos, as did, maybe, Dick Tracy. But the Tracy guns were so badly drawn that I couldn't tell what they were. That's usually the case in comics, inc. the fine Modesty Blaise series. The guns in the Blaise books were well named, but the comics artists didn't know one from another. There was some Western or Civil War comic in the 1960's that drew guns VERY well, including one Leech & Rigdon .36. (CSA copy of a Colt Navy.)

My dad had one of those since Savage semis but he left it to my brother not me

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My uncle in Tulsa had one. Savage M-1917 .32. I carried it under my shirt a few times when visiting him during summers off from school. He was quite surprised when he learned that.

I first encountered, Playboy in his collection, too. My conservative parents would have been shocked by either event. I was 12-13 then.

I probably should have included this with my other post (82), but, oh well.
This 32 Hand Ejector is from 1912. I have the family's history with the revolver and it seems the grandfather was a bootlegger in the hills of North Carolina in the 1920's - 30's. The owner said her grandfather carried it around in his pocket.

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Here's a keeper in my collection although it's not in pristine condition. According to Colt it was made in 1915 but I'll bet it was still in use during the 20s! You hear this over and over again "If only this gun could talk!"
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Stu:

Perfect!! That's just the thing I was hoping to see. With a story directly linking it to the "Roaring Twenties"!! Great stuff.

That is a great looking .32 and fits right in with this thread. Thanks for sharing it with us....

Best Regards, Les

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Jim:

Wells Fargo no less!! That is definitely a shooter from the "Roaring Twenties"... You're right, if that gun could talk, what tales it would tell. Even if it was just along for the ride, what an era it saw come and go. It may have thwarted a railway robbery, it could have protected valuable consignments from robbers.... There is no end to the romance associated with an artifact like that.

Thanks for sharing that great piece of history with us.

Best Regards, Les

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Texas:

Thanks for the info in your post. You have given me a lot to chew on there. And some more movies to watch. Now that I have some time off, I'm going to see if I can find some of those on Amazon or Netflix, and watch for some of those firearms that you refer to.

So far in this thread, I have only been posting Colts. I really didn't know that I had that many from the 1920s until I started the thread, as I had not been concentrating on the date of production so much But I have not had as bad of luck with my Colts as you seem to have had. I have quite a few of more modern design as well, but will save them for a future thread.

I intend to post a few Smiths from the era soon, and see where that leads.

Best Regards, Les

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Bushmaster, that's a sweet looking double... What's the story on it? You say it's left the fold, I presume that you traded it off or sold it. When was it made, any idea? That's sure a nice looking gun. I'm unfamiliar with the brand. Are those real sidelocks? I'm afraid I'm out of my element with double shotguns, I only have one, a little Spanish double 20 gauge that was given to me many years ago as a gift.

Thanks for sharing....

Best Regards, Les

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Texas:

A quote from your post above:

"Do any of you older readers recall a comic strip called Vic Flint? One called Smilin' Jack? I believe they showed Colt Model M autos, as did, maybe, Dick Tracy. But the Tracy guns were so badly drawn that I couldn't tell what they were."

Well, I don't remember Vic, but this might remind you of your misspent youth....and yes, the Inspector's gun could be a 1903 Colt!!!



This doesn't have much to do with the 20s, since the strip seems to be about 1960, but the Inspector's gun might have been a leftover from that era!!!

Enjoy... Best Regards, Les

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This is the only one I've currently got from the 20's, a first year Super .38 (1929).

The second pic is my earlier Colt 1905 that could have still been in use by the 20's:

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Mexican Kerry:

Holy Cow!!!

A first year .38 Super is, well, Super!!! 4 digit serial number... Looks good. I would have to shoot it, collectible or no!! I reload for my 1963 Colt Commander in the .38 Super, and have a nice middle of the road load that wouldn't stress the old girl out. I can't stand the thought of owning a non shooting gun. Actually, the only one that I haven't shot yet is my 1877 Colt .38 Long Colt "Lightning", and that is just a matter of time, I have two boxes of empty cartrige cases, and I think I can use 38 Special dies.... Just haven't gotten around to it yet.

And that 1905 was definitely being used, heck, it's still here, isn't it???

Nice Slick Shooters...

Best Regards, Les

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Les-

That's the name of the strip, but I don't recall those characters and the style is different. Maybe older strips of this name were by another artist?

I saw it as a small boy in the 1950's, and the guns were much better drawn, unless I'm thinking of another strip.

Holy (Cats/Smokes/Toledo), is it even legal to own so many wonderful little guns like these!!?? Reminds me of the time when a cop buddy and I were shooting his Model 66s (the primo gun of that time) at a range. A father next to us, shooting with his son, was looking covetously at our guns. Meanwhile, he was shooting 2 super little old semi-autos that I was looking covetously at! I made sure to tell him that I loved his guns and that I would have loved to own them.

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Well, so far I've only posted Colts on this thread... Here is a 38 S&W Regulation Police from about 1923. I'm not an expert, but it looks like it may have been reblued. The hammer and trigger were left in the original case hardening if it was, although they have faded and much is worn off. Surely this was part of the Roaring Twenties!!! After some of the slick holsters I've seen, I'm almost ashamed to post this one!!! But I will anyway. It fits both the S&W Regulation Police size guns and the Colt Police Positive completion. It was a gift, so I can't criticize it too much.



Best Regards, Les

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I love the Colt Hammerless pocket guns, but man, my sights are set on a Pocket Positive just like that one of yours, Les. Here's my .32 RP, and another JMB original, this one probably isn't from the 20s, but they were sure around. .32 FN 1910.

Cyrano, those Mausers are just spectacular.

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Wow, out of over 130 posts, I don't think I've seen a 1911 or .44HE in this thread yet.

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Wayne:

I'll bet that those Regulation Police models were highly sought after in that time period. Snubbies were just coming out in the late twenties, and the RPs are pretty darn petit. Slip one in an overcoat pocket and you're good to go. Still an option in today's world. I love that FN. can't beat John Moses Browning. Same genius that came up with the Colt 1903 and so forth.

That Pocket Positive just blindsided me. I make a regular trip through not only gun shows, but a lot of gun stores in reasonable driving distance. I was in the Gun Library at Cabela's near where I live, and spotted that little beauty. Well, we all know that we rant likely to find any great bargains at Cabela's, but I paid a fair price for it. It looks mint, except for just a little fading on the backstrap. Almost a shame to shoot it, it may have never been shot before. But I reload light loads for these older guns, and take care of them, and have a firm rule that I don't want to own a gun that I can't shoot. I would never abuse a collectible, but they get shot and then cleaned and cared for. I actually think they preserve better if they are used reasonably, but that might just be my imagination. Anyway, it is a little sweetie!!!

Those are definitely "Skick Shooters of the Roaring Twenties"!!!

Best Regards, Les

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Wayne:

I don't know about anyone else, but once I started this, I kept finding Colts in the safe that I hadn't really thought about what period they came from. I'm just starting on the Smiths... And I do have a .44 HE that may make it, just hadn't got to it yet!!! I have several 1911s, but none that date back to the 1920s. I'll bet that there are some forum members who could help us out, though.

Best Regards, Les

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I don't recall the comic strip Vic Flint, but I do recall Smilin' Jack. Unfortunatly I was a little too young to try to identify the guns in them. "Terry and the Pirates' seem to show mostly Mauser bromhandles.

Here's a couple more Colts, the first is an M1911 from 1918. Not much finish left, but its all correct. USP markings filed off though. Earlier than your original post, but again probably still in use a decade later.

Next is a Police Positive, but it may be a little later than the 20's, my memory is fuzzy on this one.

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Here's another one, but a little different. Not mine but someone I know. He wouldn't let me shoot it, maybe I'll keep trying. Owner's pics, used without permission.

Ithaca 20 gauge Auto/Burglar: to discourage those pesky "hop-ons" when cars had running boards that would accommodate multiple riders.

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Here's my little vintage pocket pistol. This is a J.P. Sauer model 1913 in .32 auto.... Made in Germany, this striker fired pistol was issued to German NCO's, Police etc during WWI up to WW2. My example is in pristine condition with little wear on the finish, no rust or pitting anywhere & functions flawlessly. In fact I'm impressed with the quality of the craftsmanship of this little piece... I would actually consider carrying this....

Yes, the Colt .32 was issued to Generals during Vietnam. It is given to them for the rest of their lives at achieving the 1st Star. I happened to come in contact with a Brigadier General with the 101st and he was wearing it along with the General Officers gunbelt. Several weeks later he caught me smiling at the .38 Special he had replaced it with. A Sapper had gotten into a FSB Commanders position and the Lt. Colonel shot him with his pistol...to which the General stated to me 'that was too close to home'.
Concerning the Savage .32......I own one and there is an Internet Site dedicated to that pistol and the advertising that went with it. It was billed as a pistol that a man should buy for his wife. And it was also considered Art Deco design. I own one. I believe 1911 and it shoots just fine.

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Well you folks have piqued my interest on the Savage and Remington, so I tracked them down locally. I will be checking them out this coming week. I am trying to verify if the Savage is factory nickel and how decent condition the Remington is. I can get them both for just under a 1000$ but for that kind of money I need to make sure they are what the sellers claim them to be. For that kind of money there is a hammer less in .380 that I am looking at for 900 that I might prefer instead.


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Bob:

Well, I looked at all the sites where I thought I might find this film, but ended up buying it from Amazon. It just came today, and it is great. I am a big fan of film noir, and this is a great example. Thanks for the heads up!! You're right, that is certainly either a 32 or 380 Colt, either a 1903 or a 1908. Veronica Lake is an added bonus.

Best Regards, Les

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Mexican Kerry:

Nice!!! That's a super 1911... Definitely around during the Roaring Twenties!!!

I love the Police Positive Special as well. They were and still are classic revolvers, and I know I love mine. Proofhouse will have the year, if you look it up by serial number.

Thanks for sharing,

Best Regards, Les

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Mexican Kerry:

That's certainly a classic from the Roaring Twenties!!! I've only seen photos of the Auto Burgler!!! What a find!! There weren't all that many made in the first place, and they are scarcer than hen's teeth today!! Again, thanks for posting!!

Best Regards, Les

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RGVshooter:

That's one I've never seen!!! What a unique piece of history!! I'd love to see it in person. I'm really impressed with all the great treasures that are being shared here on this thread!!

Thanks for sharing with us,

Best Regards, Les

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Moralem:

Those are great!! That is the first nickled Savage I have ever seen!! Nice Remington too!!! I'm afraid I'd have to go for those. Let us know if you get them!!! Best of luck on your deal.

Best Regards, Les

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Sorry It took me so long to answer. It was a Honda XL or XS 125 4 stroke. Probably late 70' to mid 80's. It ran fine and the guy wanted it more than I did. When I got it it needed a front sprocket and chain and the tires fixed. I'll see if I can find a picture right quick.
Well I don't know where the picture is but you like scooters so here's ya one!
Peace,
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Here's another Regulation Police, this one a .32 S&W Long, and also, I believe from the early 1920s. Serial 351,xxx. Maybe Hondo44 or one of the other gurus can an arrow the time frame down. Everything numbers correctly, including the grips. This one has a little browning on the frame just ahead of the cylinder, but is in pretty nice shooting condition for its age:



Thanks to all the folks who have contributed to the thread so far, hope to get still more "Slick Shooters of the Roaring Twenties "!!!

Best Regards, Les

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I picked up this finish challenged Officers Model .38 a while back. Made in 1928 and is still tight and accurate. Looks like it spent time in a duty holster. The original hard rubber grips are in the safe.

Here's another of mine from this period a S&W Model 10 in nickle and well used! I have no idea as to the significance of the notches in the grips. I purchased this revolver years ago from a private individual and he had no knowledge of it's past. Again; If only this gun could talk!
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