Does your city's zoo(s) allow carrying knives? I don't mean big sheath knives. Just basic pocketknives or lockblade folders the size of the Buck Model 110, etc.

Do they allow licensed concealed carry guns?

What about museums? Art, natural history, etc.

Not exactly my zoo, because I'm 125 miles away, but I've been there several times. One of the best zoos in the country, and certainly the finest free zoo out there. I believe this is still at a standstill, awaiting legislative override of the Governor's veto of Constitutional Carry and other issues. A Cincinnati man forced the issue by first wearing just an empty holster a couple years ago. I don't think he ever actually tried to open carry a pistol. Interestingly, the ban only applies to the Cincinnati man and his associates, and anyone who has knowledge of the court's order. Missouri law allows open carry for anyone with a CCW permit, with no local pre-emptions allowed. The zoo has claimed in various filings that its entire campus is a classroom, thus meeting the state school exemption for carry, concealed or open, or in the alternative it's an amusement park, which according to the letter of the law it isn't, hence the hullabaloo . . .

Judge Extends Gun Ban at St. Louis Zoo

Because admission is free (huge parking charge), there are no metal detectors or ticket takers at the gate. You just walk in.

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Very timely topic for me, just returned from a trip up the Freedom Tower in NYC, and was horrified when I realized I had my 25 year old pocket knife with me as we approached the airport style x ray. I tossed it into the bin, kind of hid it under my keys and hoped for the best.
As soon as it came through I grabbed the knife and stuck it back in my pocket and the operator say, hey let me see that key chain. He looked and since I already scooped up the very dangerous pen knife he was satisfied.
I would have been not too happy to lose it.
Hijack of the zoo thread complete.

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One guy at the Dallas zoo used his knife to cut a rope barrier keeping some visitors from fleeing a gorilla that got loose. Police eventually shot the gorilla. Saw that on the T V news some years ago.

But I haven't been to the zoo in years, partly because I figured they had a knife ban now.

Could call, but someone answering their phones might tell me there's a ban even if there's not.

The only zoo I've ever been to is in DC and they ban everything.

The last museums I went to were the NRA museum and the Richard Childress Racing Museum. I didn't ask at either but figured they wouldn't care.

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Went to the Smithsonian Institution winter before last with a Benchmade Mini-Barrage (blade a little under 4 inches) and was allowed in with it. My buddy had a slightly bigger folder and had to go back outside and hide his in a snow bank until we were done at the museum. Guard was pretty reasonable; nobody got excited.

Which building?

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I'm sure there are a lot of places that would exhibit anti-ccw tendencies if I cared enough to ask.

I always ccw a knife and a gun. I've been to the Zoo.

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I wear a loin cloth and a sheath knife...never been stopped yet.

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Lost a lock back gerber this way at a concert in KC. Didnot know theydid airport TSA quality security. The fella saw it under my keys and stuff. Took it and stuck it in his pocket. I saw him ater the concert and yelled, he moved off against the grain of the folks leaving.

Thats because you have that chiseled Johnny Weismueller Tarzan body.

I have not been able to find Washington's knife laws so I can only answer about guns. Washington law prohibits cities and counties from enacting gun laws and rules that are more restrictive than state law. Since you specified city owned zoos the answer is that you can carry guns openly or, with a concealed pistol license, concealed the same as on a public street or any other non-federal park. RCW 9.41.290: State preemption.

Since I like old fashioned knives that are unquestionably legal it is just to satisfy my curiosity but If anyone can help me find knife laws among our Revised Codes of Washington (RCWs) I'd appreciate the help. I have read inconsistent statements on knife oriented web sites that do not quote a source.

Pictures, pictures pictures.

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TS, I've never seen any signs prohibiting knives at any of the zoos or museums in our state.

However, awhile back when Ms. Judy and I went to a movie, there was a sign on the theater door prohibiting firearms, knives, or any type of weapon (did I mention that my whole body is a weapon?).

So, I reached in my pocket and handed my Case Trapper to the guy at the ticket window asking if I could please get it back at the end of the movie. He looked at me kinda funny and said, "Aw, don't worry about it."

I didn't mention the fact, though, that I was also carrying my Ruger LCP because, at that point, I didn't want to press my luck.

The funny thing is that probably 80% or more of the local populace in our community carries. The movie house is one of those national chain jobs, so I'm suspecting that the sign is just one of those things that comes with the territory. I'm also thinking that if any nut-job came into our local theater and started shooting up the place, he probably wouldn't get more than one or two rounds off without several patrons shooting back and putting an end to his stupidity.

Anyway, I'm probably a wanted fugitive now because I sneaked a firearm into our local theater.

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The Cincinnati Zoo is a gun free zone.

This is from The Truth about Knives.com:

You Can Own Anything You Want, But There’s A Catch.

Ohio doesn’t ban the possession of any particular kinds of knives. This by itself would be very rational, but Ohio knife laws are not rational. You can own whatever you want, but that doesn’t do you much good because you probably can’t have it in your pocket outside your own home.

Deadly Weapon=Knife=No Concealed Carry.

Knives themselves aren’t specifically mentioned much in Ohio’s books, because Ohio law simply prohibits the concealed carry of any deadly weapon. It then fails to define ‘deadly weapon’ with any specificity, other than to describe them (and I paraphrase) as ‘things which can kill’ and which are also ‘designed to kill’ or ‘carried as a weapon.’

So, basically, every knife ever made is up for grabs as a ‘deadly weapon’ except maybe a Victorinox Solitaire because it’s too small. The learned minds of the Ohio court system have further muddied the waters with lists of characteristics that make a knife more likely to be considered a ‘deadly weapon.’

This list includes every conceivable characteristic which differentiates a knife from a 19th century slipjoint pocketknife. Under the bizarre and utterly retarded precedent of State v. Cattledge, thumb studs, blade locks, strange looks, sharp tips and serrations are all indications of nefarious intent when it comes to pocket cutlery.

Way To Go,Ohio!

By providing such an elusive, inclusive and ambiguous definition of ‘deadly weapon’, Ohio gives its police and prosecutors absolutely unfettered discretion to arrest and prosecute anyone carrying anything bigger than miniature Swiss Army Knife in their pocket. There are no safe harbor provisions, no blade length guidelines, and no clear indication as to what is prohibited and what is not.

Ohioans will probably say that they’re rarely hassled on the street when it comes to knives, but this will be cold comfort to those of them who will be suffer arrest, confiscation and prosecution for unknowingly stepping over an invisible and constantly-moving line.

Even though it already bans nearly everything, Ohio has no knife law preemption. This allows counties and cities to pass additional restrictions, and many Ohio municipalities enforce a blade length limit of 2.5 inches.

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Well, I meant: do zoos and museums ban knives that do not violate state laws.

Took the youngest grands to the Greenville (SC) Zoo a couple of weeks ago, and no signage banning weapons.

As I mentioned, all guns are banned on Zoo property. There is nothing posted about knives but being one bridge away from hillbilly central, It would be a safe bet that there are plenty of knife packin' folks there.

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Memphis Zoo is not posted. I've carried there several times.

What surprised me was the Atlanta Aquarium. I knew my gun was a no-go. But when we walked in I had to check my pocket knife and cigarette lighter. They have guards at the entrance wanding people and checking purses.
Ok, guns I understand. Knives, maybe. But my lighter? Really? Do they expect me to set fire to an aquarium?
Anyway, its all routine to them. They put my knife and lighter in a bag and gave me a claim check. Picked them up on my way out, no problem.

The Denver Zoo allows concealed weapons. I've never seen anyone open carrying there, but it may be allowed as well.

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If you can do this, you da man...
And I wouldn't stop you either.

Texas Star,
It's not your fault but now we may all be trying on loin cloths so we need to know what kind of knife was in Tarzan's sheath in the early movies.

(knife! Limit it to the knife!)

It's not so much the knife that got me in trouble at the Houston Zoo, it was the fork and barbecue pit I brought as well that made them a little uneasy....

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Cleveland Zoo is part of the Metro Park System and CCW is permitted. Unfortunately the bathrooms and gift shop are. Isn't that special?

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I did this, in National Knife Magazine, years ago.

I was a fan of Tarzan in the books, but only in a very few movies. I know which sort of knives his father probably had available, and made my selection from those. I think I chose two, one a dagger, the other a Bowie.

If you want to start a topic on Tarzan knives, I'll post there.
Because of the recent dire warning about thread drift, I think we'd better stick to zoo-legal knives in this thread.

BTW, I think a real Tarzan would have had his father's knife refinished after he reached England, and would have bought additional knives before returning to Africa. As Lord Greystoke, a wealthy member of the Peerage, he could afford any knives he wanted, from the best makers in London and in Sheffield.

The movie knives are not authentic to what he'd have had and form another sort of Tarzan knife discussion.

My interest in loincloths is more in line with those worn by Veronica on, The Lost World and actresses playing Sheena, Queen of the Jungle. But, yeah, Tarzan and his son wore them.
Who here knows the name of Tarzan's son, from the books? Put it in a Tarzan knife thread.

I've been to several zoos in Texas, New Mexico, and Colorado. I don't remember any of them being posted, and I didn't have to go through a metal detector at any of them, either. I'm sure it varies from state to state, though.

Not a zoo, but I recently took my son on a tour of the Texas state capitol building. I was armed with my LC9s and a knife. I knew my son was carrying at least one knife, so I told him to hand it to me as we walked toward the security checkpoint. He was flummoxed that I could carry a gun, but he couldn't carry a knife. I told him he had to go through the metal detector, but I didn't. I just showed the DPS trooper my LTC, he scanned it, and waved me inside bypassing the metal detector. Once my kid got inside I handed him his knife back.

Was there a sign posted about knives, or were you guessing they're banned there?

I'm really glad that guns can be carried there, if concealed and licensed.

I see some (but very weak) logic in banning knives in zoos. Who wants to deal with a howler monkey armed with a machete?

Yes I think it is great. Here in Bluffton, In. We have to go through a metal detector so no guns or knife. Two Sheriff's at the station. That's our tax dollars at work but it you work in there you go in a nother door no check point. What bothers me is a the people working there.
John

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I thought this thread was going to be about something else

I've never seen a monkey with a machete , but they don't need them. Some, especially baboons and chimps (I know chimps are apes) are very strong and have nasty teeth. And they throw things and use limbs as clubs.

They also often have really bad tempers.

Wouldn't want to meet this one then.......

And NEVER, I repeat NEVER, hand your monkey an AK!

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Long time back I read and saw pictures of a chimp that Colonel Charles Askins was teaching to shoot a pistol.

Needless to say the end result could have been used in a Three Stooges Comedy.


That to the best of my knowledge was never tried again!

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Not true. If you give a monkey an I.O. AK, you will be safe. The monkey will not, however

Our zoo post no sign prohibiting either pocket knives or handguns.

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Cute, but baboons are a serious threat. They often attack people and certainly distinguish between warriors with spears and women working in fields. They can count to at least four.
That affects how they can be hunted, where legal, but I haven't time to go into that.

I used to know a woman who was a scientist living near the naval base at Simonstown, South Africa. She said it was illegal to kill baboons there and they were a menace around her home.

If member Stirling sees this, maybe he'll tell us if it's legal to kill baboons there now. He lives in Cape Town, not too far away.

Peter Capstick detailed an interesting encounter with a troop of baboons in one of his books. If I remember correctly, he used a MAC 10 to thin as many males out as he could. I believe one of them had taken a native baby and killed it with a bite through the head. (I might be mis-remembering this, sometimes stories run together)

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