Picked it up from the LGS. Cheap cardboard box. Pulled out the gun. I was surprisingly good looking and felt very substantial, not a cheap piece of junk. Looked it over. The design is excellent, everything is well placed, easy to operate and get to. It's made of metal in the right places and plastic is in the right places. The barrel is threaded with a protective cap if you want to put on 'accessories'.

Only one 'complaint'. The buffer sits right on top of the the end of the stock. You can roll your head forward to see through the sights, but the buffer sticks up and knocks your earmuff up. Big deal.

Folds and fits in my range bag. The charging handle (Tommy gun thing under the tube stock) could be a little bigger because it's blow back action, therefore hard to pull back, but I think you can get a fatter cover that would make it easier. Not a prob to me but my wife had a hard time cocking it.

The sight is like an AR-15, pretty neat. I need to raise mine a couple of clicks because it shot a couple of inches low.

It functioned great with bought target ammo. (next comes my home cooked ammo) Didn't have ONE hitch or failure. I got the Glock 33 round mag for it and it worked just fine.

It breaks down fairly easy. Push out the big pin that holds the butt plate on (it's adjustable to three positions) take out the buffer and the spring comes out and the bolt in two parts. Clean it, oil it put it back together. The stock pin is a pain to get lined up with the holes but practice should help this.

Warning: Make sure the gun is fully cocked before disassembling. If not, the hammer will prevent putting it back together and you need to go to the video to show how to fix it with a dowel or screwdriver. I was aware of this, but it was half cocked and still wouldn't go back together. I contacted Keltec and they told me to make sure the hammer was pushed back all the way. That straightened everything out.

Additionally, the gun folding back on itself makes the barrel separate from the receiver that makes both very accessible for cleaning/inspecting.

It's got Picatinny rail on the top and M lock on the bottom. It even has rails on the bottom of the butt for I don't know what. (hip flask, yo-yo??). One accessory that I will be buying is the fore end angle grip. It fits on the bottom nicely and doesn't interfere with folding and is smaller than the main grip. It feels fine shooting without it, but I think it would make it even easier to grab and hold.

Bottom line. I'm REALLY glad I got this. I've always wanted a carbine because they are gangs of fun to shoot. Price wasn't really a big consideration but I think this is a much better gun than the Hi Point which feels bulky to me. I'm really blown away how clever and well done the design and manufacture are. I think there are a lot of improvements over the first generation sub2000.

I wanted a .30 carbine, but they are twice as expensive and my son doesn't like those 'old looking guns' with the wood stocks and stuff. Maybe later. In the meantime, I'm very happy.

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I enjoyed the report until you/ your son's displeasure with the M1 Carbine. I believe something is missing in his education.

Ivan

I too have Gen 2 Sub 2K. I really like it. I had a Gen 1 and sold it when I got the new one. Kel-Tec fixed virtually everything I disliked about the first version. For those who judge Kel-Tec products based on internet hearsay or what Bubba told them, this is not a piece of junk. It is a quality 9MM carbine with a unique design. It is a keeper for me.

Re the M1 Carbine, I have one of those too, a 1943 IBM model. My sons will probably fight over it when I am gone. For now, that piece of history is mine. Maybe your son will come to appreciate it for the history, if nothing else. And it is an interesting history...

I like mine:

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These kids today just don't get it.

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On the Kel tec you are exactly right. I have an old PT11 that is a cheaper and very light plastic gun. It's not fancy, but it shoots, though it feels like a 'plastic gun'. And I am really impressed with the Sub 2000. I've shot an Uzi before and it is very reminiscent of that.

Now on that M1 carbine. If you sell it to me then your sons won't fight over it. Really, I hope to get one some day, I don't care if it's a later model and the numbers don't match. (I mean they used the things in Vietnam). A friend has a Garand that I really like (another great design) but it's a bit heavy and I'm a certified carbine nut.

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I have a KelTec Sub 2000 Gen 2 and like it a great deal for the reasons the OP mentioned. Re: knocking muffs loose, I find the 9 mm from the 16" barrel OK to shoot with only my custom in-ear plugs.

I found the sight picture easier to acquire without contortions when I added a home made recoil pad (cut from a dollar store flip flop) and extended the butt stock to the longest configuration. I also added the buffer tube cover that boykinlp has on his. And glued a piece of bicycle inner tube to the area the tube cover doesn't reach.

I own a Sub2K Gen2 configured for Glock 19 mags. The only issue I had with it was with the front sight assembly. First time on the range, and the front sight rotated. Sent it off to KelTec for repair. Been ok since.

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I've had to use them twice, first on the PT11. I asked if I could fix it, they said, no it was a manufacturing defect and the pistol had to be disassembled. They sent me a label in in a week I was back in business. They seem to be very conscientious. Hungry for that market share they dug out, maybe.

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Are any of you Sub2k owners lefties? I've been intrigued by those for years and like the improvements of the gen2, but have read some negative comments over time by lefty shooters about catching too much "exhaust" from the ejection port.

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I'm a lefty and former owner of a Gen 1 SUB2K. Yes, it kicks burning powder back into your face. After I sold mine, I heard that adding the buttstock pad changes the angle enough to help. Can't confirm.

Beyond that, I didn't like the cheap plastic sights (better on the Gen 2 for sure) and the recoil impulse on my cheek seemed pretty harsh for 9mm. It's one of those guns people either love or don't.

When you let off a string of shots it's probably like having your face in a smokestack. I don't know if extending to the max stock length would help much. It's only extends about 1 1/2".
Somebody said they put a 'buttplate' on theirs. That might get it away from your face a little.

One thing I can't prove but noticed that all the brass seemed to be going forward. I save the brass that falls in my lane and after shooting a lot I noticed that there wasn't any brass around or behind me, so it must have gone forward.

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The 2 gen sights are really cool. And yeah, the thing is pretty heavy...a lot heavier than any 9mm pistol I picked up. But the kick was stiffer than I expected. My wife had trouble mounting it and said it hurt her shoulder a few times. It seems the long barrel would help too, but there wasn't noticeable muzzle rise, just a kick straight back.

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Another former 1st gen owner and lefty. Can't say I remember being bothered by gas blowing back in my face. My biggest problem was every now and then the charging handle catching a beard hair or 2. That got my attention.
Mine was 100% reliable and accurate. Fun shooter, other than the beard hair. Mine was 40s&w and pricey to feed as I didn't reload then, and the reason I got sold it.
I do like the gen 2 and wouldn't mind one in 9mm, but the pistol caliber carbine idea has kind'a passed for me.

A great weapon in it's zipper case to carry in the front seat when traveling thru "INJUN COUNTRY.
Easy to un-zip, fold stock down and shoot.
The extra-long magazines hold enough ammo until the "cavalry arrives'.

Great write up but where are the photos? I ordered one from Whittaker guns that will be here Friday. Glock 19 model that will be $382 OTD 8)

You'll see in a few days. And some smart people already posted pics.

BTW I realize that up close (10 yards) there is 2" of parallax error simply because the sight is that far above the barrel! I raised it four clicks anyway, because it was shooting about 3" low at 10 yards. Each click is 1" at 100 yards so that ought to be a little closer. I can refine it if needed but I'm not going to be shooting 100 yards until I get to the outdoor range.

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You are spot on in your evaluation of the KelTec Sub 2000 Generation 2. My experience has been identical to yours. Mine was two inches low and I had to lower the front sight two notches to a bring it on zero. I painted the front sight with bright orange paint so it was visible. I would recommend a sight improvement like a red dot or something that gives minimal magnification but gives you quick sight picture. Mine has performed flawlessly; however, the protection nut on the threaded barrel came loose and the cover on the forward receiver stock came loose. Both are easy fixes but something to pay attention to. My Glock 30 round magazines have performed flawlessly. The looks of the Generation 2 are just COOL!! The fact it performs as well as it does for the $450 I paid for mine makes it a must buy!!! Thanks for the superb review. Best of luck.

Mine arrived today and the box was marked 2016. I noticed a couple updates they have made. The front sight no longer has the threaded pin behind it. There is a different thread protector and a nut behind it securing the front sight on



Put some cheap steel case in an ETS mag through it and it was flawless. Didn't get to shoot it much but it was a blast! Loud but quiet enough to not need earplugs and the recoil is nonexistent. I was hitting a 12" plate shooting offhand at 75 yards without adjusting the sites. It appears to be shooting slightly low and left

The sight is a good idea. For plinking I like the peep but it's not for quick acquisition. When I was first shooting it I realized I'd lost the post but kept shooting. (the shots were close anyway)

I'll check the screw, I don't need it to be shedding parts. You didn't pay as much as I did, which is great, but these have been hard to find and I bought it online. I'm so happy with it I don't have any buyers remorse at all.

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I bought it online too, paid almost retail, but none were to be found here while they were for sale all over the net.

I had some trouble getting it sighted and it's kind of clumsy to use the sights, but yesterday I got the hang of if and shot better than anything else I tried with a little tiny group. I JUST LOVE CARBINES. My favorite rifle configuration. I tried an UZI and got a bullseye first shot. For some reason I can absolutely shoot the dog mess out of them.

PS: The secret is to wear an ear plug in your right ear rather than muffs, which get knocked off every time you sight a shot.

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