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I have been told it is now legal in Texas to carry self-opening knives AKA switchblades. I have carried a knife everyday for decades as a tool and always thought that a switchblade would be handy to have, but never bothered to learn the ins and outs of them because they were considered prohibited weapons.

For the last few years I've carried a Spiderco Delica 4. I like 3" to 4" drop point blades for their utility.

That said, I request your thoughts, wisdom, and suggestions about self-opening knives. I have no idea about their strong points and weak points. Please educate me, and help me decide if I should buy and carry one.
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My EDC is one of two Benchmade automatics. Wouldn't carry anything else.
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I had one as a kid and my father had a better one, made in Italy.


I was always afraid that one'd open in my pocket, safety catch or not. I also won't carry my Kershw 1550ST in a pocket. Belt pouch only, if I carry it at all. It 's a self opener, once you push the blade partly open.


I prefer one-hand opening knives, where you push on a stud and flip the blade open. My Benchmade 710 and Gerber Applegate-Fairbairn knives are good examples.


I also own Spyderco Delica and Endura knives and occasionally carry them.


THe Delica has a three-inch blade. I saw on the TV news where a dad in Big Bend Natl. Park used one to ward off a cougar that attacked his six-old boy at a lodge there. He wounded the animal enough that it finally fled, but the blade was too short to inflict a lethal wound. I also know of a case where a man killed an African lion with a six-inch blade. I don't know why he (in the Big Bend case) didn't try to cut the cat's throat. I knew a man on Vancouver Island who did cut the throat of a cougar with a four-inch blade. He was badly messed up, but survived. I think he lost one eye and his scalp had to be re-attached by surgeons.

If you won't encounter cougars or vicious dogs, a three-inch blade is probably enough. I carry a Swiss Army knife in my pocket for normal tasks. The folder in a belt pouch needs to be long enough for serious defense work.

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I carry a Kershaw Scamp assisted opener as my primary EDC. I decided to order one of the new Kershaw Launch 4 automatics as a secondary.
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I am not very knowledgeable on switch blades but I really like this Buck I got from the NRA-ILA. One handed opening,very sharp,and has a really good clip for your early morning walks. It is not heavy but not real light
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Haven't checked on the knife laws in Texas since I recently moved here. But I carry a Benchmade Griptillian with the Axis locking mechanism that opens about as fast and easily as any folding locking knife I've owned, and that's quite a few! You can open it easily with the thumb stud, but if you catch the Axis lock with thumb and forefinger and hold it back and give the knife blade a flip, it's out easily and right now! With a bit of practice, you can release the lock as the blade moves into locking position. You can close the knife the same way in reverse. I have the large one and the smaller copy. The big one has a serious blade that ought to handle about anything you'd want to be close enough too to use it on.

Gonna hafta look into my new State's knife laws! Maybe some will chime in an enlighten us all about what Texas will allow!
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Haven't checked on the knife laws in Texas since I recently moved here. But I carry a Benchmade Griptillian with the Axis locking mechanism that opens about as fast and easily as any folding locking knife I've owned, and that's quite a few! You can open it easily with the thumb stud, but if you catch the Axis lock with thumb and forefinger and hold it back and give the knife blade a flip, it's out easily and right now! With a bit of practice, you can release the lock as the blade moves into locking position. You can close the knife the same way in reverse. I have the large one and the smaller copy. The big one has a serious blade that ought to handle about anything you'd want to be close enough too to use it on.

Gonna hafta look into my new State's knife laws! Maybe some will chime in an enlighten us all about what Texas will allow!

During Rick Perry's tenure as Governor, knife laws changed for the better. (So did gun laws.) I gather that switchblades are now legal, as are assisted opening knives. Max. blade length is 5.5 inches.


I think any of the following remain illegal: Bowies, daggers, poniards, dirks, stilletos, swords, machetes, and gravity knives. Not sure about the last. I don't think machetes are specifically named, but they're over 5.5 inch blades, so if a cop wants to get you, they could go that route.


I used to work with a young guy who was a little reckless and who liked to race cars. That got him in trouble with game wardens after a race at a lake. They thought he smart-mouthed them as well as racing. So, they went on a treasure hunt and found his tackle box with a fillet knife over 5.5 inches and charged him with an illegal knife.


I've heard that San Antonio has a ban on all lockblade knives. Check, if going there. Plano supposedly has a three-inch blade limit, but that conflicts with state law as does the ban on lockblades. I think state law prempts local laws. Someone with money needs to sue to repeal those laws.


We have a member in South Australia. He told me that cops there generally don't bother with knife laws unless they're looking to hang something on someone that they want for something else or can't charge, otherwise. I suspect that a knife they'd ignore might get you in trouble in New South Wales or in Victoria.


It's always good to know the literal law and how cops tend to enforce it. I think much depends on the pesonal image that a person has.

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Vonn's knife is similar to my EDC, a Gerber easy out. It's not assisted, but one handed opening is simple, and it is very light. I haven't found anything I like better.
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I like the Benchmade folders, I have a Volli assisted that quickly became my favorite. I lost it, and replaced it with a Grizzly Creek manual opener but its actually faster to open. A light flick with thumb pressure on the stud and it snaps open. Or if you are fancy you can do it with a quick down/up motion without the stud. A bonus is to close I disengage the lock and the blade falls shut yet there is zero play in the pivot. To close the Volli I usually disengage the lock and close it against the side of my thigh.

The Volli has a lock to keep it closed, the Grizzly does not. And I recently found the Volli in my nightstand so now I have both.
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Here, left to right, are my 4 automatics: Piranha, S&W, Boker, & CRKT.
5th from left is an "Assisted" opening Benchmade.

6th from left is neither automatic or assisted, but it is my favorite for
everyday carry. It is Kershaw's Junkyard Dog II. It is called "Flipper
Technology". A slight pull on the flipper with index finger and a slight
flip of the wrist deploys the blade as fast as an automatic.

I like the ambi-dexterous feature. I carry it clipped in front left
(weak side) pocket. My thinking is if someone is trying to wrestle
my gun out of my right hand, I can deploy the knife and use it
with my left hand. It has never happened, but it could.

I have paid for fire insurance about 60 years now and my house
has never burned down yet. But it could.
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Here in Michigan,switchers are illegal to carry. I have a few locked up in the safe. That said, my assisted-opening Kershaw Blur and SOG Flash function every bit as fast as any of my autos, front or side opening. And, I can carry them legally almost anywhere. Just sayin.

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Can't speak to Texas knife law, but as far as the knives themselves go, there are generally two types. Automatics that open by flipping open in an arc from the handle, like a conventional knife, and those that open by the blade coming straight out the front of the handle. I think the latter is easier and more secure to use, as you don't have to worry as much with finger placement when activating the blade.

Look for a model with a recessed activation button (proud buttons can be depressed in your pocket by bumping against something). Some have safety switches as well.

I own three or four automatics, but find a well designed assisted opening, or flipper knife to be just as quick, and usually less expensive for equal quality. Maybe more reliable as well? Automatics are cool though. Try out as many as you can before purchase. Look for something that carries well, feels good in your hand, and can be easily closed with one hand. I have always been partial to Benchmade knives in general, but if you can find a clean, used "GT" auto (I believe they are now out of business), they are a heck of a nice automatic.

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Here is my Benchmade 9100 SBK. My son bought it for me years ago, and as you can see I have carried it daily. This is a fine knife, but was replaced by the 9101 which has two openings in the spine to allow debris to fall or be blown out. I bought my son a 9101 SBK a few years ago for his birthday. This model is also offered without blade serrations.



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I carried them for a while but eventually worked my way back to conventional side openers. MY favorite was the Microtech LCC - great knife.

Anyhow, now it is Sebenzas for me. I have several and they will all likely outlive me - though stuff, smooth opening, and rebuildable.
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In Florida you can carry one, as well as a "Sap" as long as you have a carry permit.
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Switchblades are illegal here but I remember back in the 50's every store you went in had them on a card next to the register , I think I might still have a few hanging around someplace.
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Mine is an Emerson CQC 7-B w/wave feature.





Had a black finish one, but I gave it to a Marine friend before he went to the sandbox.



The wave feature makes it into a self opener when removed from the pocket.
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I've carried one for years in Arizona as there have never been any restrictions on them. There use in crime? As near as I know it's Zero.
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I had a friend in grade school in the '60s who had one in his pocket when he fell off the monkey bars. It opened up on impact.

Getting it out of his pocket involved take his pants at least partially off.

He wasn't cut too badly.

Here in Ohio, I don't carry a knife for self-defense, as carrying one big enough for that purpose is WAY more hassle than just carrying a handgun.

In Ohio, unlike firearms laws, which are preempted at the state level, every little podunk town can have its own knife carry laws. You can be legal, walk across the street, and become a criminal.

There's FAR less legal danger for me to carry a registered MACHINE PISTOL here than a decent knife.

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Here in Michigan,switchers are illegal to carry. I have a few locked up in the safe. That said, my assisted-opening Kershaw Blur and SOG Flash function every bit as fast as any of my autos, front or side opening. And, I can carry them legally almost anywhere. Just sayin.
That's not completely true. If you only have one hand, you can own/carry one. Never thought it was worth losing a hand over though.

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Any person who shall sell or offer to sell, or any person who shall have in his possession any knife having the appearance of a pocket knife, the blade or blades of which can be opened by the flick of a button, pressure on a handle or other mechanical contrivance shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for not to exceed 1 year or by a fine of not to exceed $300.00, or both. The provisions of this section shall not apply to any one-armed person carrying a knife on his person in connection with his living requirements.
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Had a black finish one, but I gave it to a Marine friend before he went to the sandbox.



The wave feature makes it into a self opener when removed from the pocket.


I wave mod my Spyderco Tenacious with a zip. Works like a charm.
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I carry this Microtech UMS. A one handed knife makes sense.
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I have been told it is now legal in Texas to carry self-opening knives AKA switchblades. I have carried a knife everyday for decades as a tool and always thought that a switchblade would be handy to have, but never bothered to learn the ins and outs of them because they were considered prohibited weapons.

For the last few years I've carried a Spiderco Delica 4. I like 3" to 4" drop point blades for their utility.

That said, I request your thoughts, wisdom, and suggestions about self-opening knives. I have no idea about their strong points and weak points. Please educate me, and help me decide if I should buy and carry one.
Its been that way for years. You can carry spring-loaded and gravity knives too. I have a wee collection (all 3) of them.
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I had one as a kid and my father had a better one, made in Italy.


I was always afraid that one'd open in my pocket, safety catch or not. I also won't carry my Kershw 1550ST in a pocket. Belt pouch only, if I carry it at all. It 's a self opener, once you push the blade partly open.


I prefer one-hand opening knives, where you push on a stud and flip the blade open. My Benchmade 710 and Gerber Applegate-Fairbairn knives are good examples.


I also own Spyderco Delica and Endura knives and occasionally carry them.


THe Delica has a three-inch blade. I saw on the TV news where a dad in Big Bend Natl. Park used one to ward off a cougar that attacked his six-old boy at a lodge there. He wounded the animal enough that it finally fled, but the blade was too short to inflict a lethal wound. I also know of a case where a man killed an African lion with a six-inch blade. I don't know why he (in the Big Bend case) didn't try to cut the cat's throat. I knew a man on Vancouver Island who did cut the throat of a cougar with a four-inch blade. He was badly messed up, but survived. I think he lost one eye and his scalp had to be re-attached by surgeons.

If you won't encounter cougars or vicious dogs, a three-inch blade is probably enough. I carry a Swiss Army knife in my pocket for normal tasks. The folder in a belt pouch needs to be long enough for serious defense work.
Years ago-I had twin versions of the WWII German gravity knives-both stamped 5th F.J. Regiment. I kinda wish I had kept them.
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I have several assisted opening knives with the flipper and they are just as fast as any switchblade and probably safer to pocket carry. The Kershaw Brawler, OSO Sweet, and Leek are excellent, well-designed knives with great steel and they are cheap. Oklahoma recently made switchblades legal to carry but I don't really see the need for one other than the "cool factor". If I could find a Kershaw quality, reasonably priced, automatic where the blade came out the front I'm sure I would buy one.
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The Buck "Rush" is awesome. Easy to clean and the stainless blade and open sided aluminum frame are great in salt water.
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Wisconsin recently legalized switchblade carry. Previously, even assisted knives were considered switchblades and illegal to carry, potentially problematic for me, since I live close by, in Minnesota, and spend a lot of time in Sconny.

For some reason, OTF openers have no appeal for me. I wouldn't mind something like a Frank Beltrame Classic Italian switchblade, or possibly a Mikov*, if the purchase drill were not so troublesome.

*Does anybody remember the self-proclaimed sharpening expert who showed up here for a short time a few years ago? Part of his riff was that only two brands of knife were worth owning, ZT and Mikov. His attitude left a bad taste in my mouth for ZT that persists to this day, yet I find the Mikovs appealing. Go figure.
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The weekend the law in Texas changed, I went to a gun show and bought a Boker Kalishnikov 74 switchblade.

...and have carried it ever since.
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I don't know if it has changed in Kentucky for people who don't have the CDW license, but those of us who do can carry switchblades legally. I haven't since the 1950's, when I owned two or three cheapo stiletto-style models that would go dull on the third slice of Velveeta.

I carry a Swiss Army knife daily for the tools, and a larger folder for cutting chores, not for self defense unless absolutely all else fails.

Nowadays I carry a Spyderco Endura or a drop-point SOG Flash II assisted opener. More often the Spyderco, though the SOG is a very nice knife for the money. The Endura just has less to go wrong, and I can open it quite quickly.

If I were to go to an automatic it would be an out-the-front model, but so far I have other uses for the money.
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What's the advantage over an assisted opener. Just as quick to flip a flipper as puss a button isn't it?
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What's the advantage over an assisted opener. Just as quick to flip a flipper as puss a button isn't it?
My OTF is a double action, it snaps closed just as fast as it snaps open...so that's a huge advantage. No accidents while closing quickly on your leg. My buddy cut off his finger doing that.
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I was also thinking most have a safety switch to right? So two actions to open it vs one with a flipper assisted.
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My Benchmade Emerson-design "tanto" has no safety other than the fact that the button is recessed, and it automatically locks open quite securely. Excellent knife which I bought just because I got it at a good price and I liked it, but the fact is that I can get my Spyderco Endura out faster. I don't carry either now. If my right hand is available, I'd rather pull a gun for defensive purposes. YMMV. My need for a cutting device is probably never immediate. If I think that is changing, I'll go back to the Spyderco.
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Actually who needs a wimpy switchblade, Oklahoma just passed a law allowing law abiding people to carry "Sword Canes"!
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Sadly,All that cool stuff is illegal in Ohio.
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In France, carrying a knife (automatic or not) is prohibited....that said, i ( and my brother, my sons too..)daily carry a knife (pocket, switchblade, assisted opening..) on my belt since i am 17 Y.O...and never be arrested for that. Now if you are a thug, or in a gang, or are arrested or controlled in a (or after) a demonstration, cops will confiscate your blade (and keep it for himself..)and that's all, no lawsuit except if you have a background)..Now who goes in a demonstration with a knife ?

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Agree with you. here , in France, carrying a knife (automatic or not) is prohibited....that said, i ( and my brother, my sons too..)daily carry a knife (pocket, swithblade, assisted opening..) on my belt since i am 17 Y.O...and never be arrested for that. Now if you are a thug, or in a gang, or are arrested or controlled in a (or after) a demonstration, cops will confiscate your blade (and keep it for himself..)and that's all, no lawsuit except if you have a background)..Now who goes in a demonstration with a knife ?

Does that ban affect ALL knives, even a typical Opinel or Swiss Army knives or just larger ones that lock open?



What if a Frenchman has to defend himself from a human (criminal) or a dangerous dog? Is that legal? If one gets arrested for having an illegal knife, would the police withdraw his gun licenses, if any?
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Better ask, but even cops often don't really know the knife laws. That test that you mentioned is used in some places. I've read of even NYPD cops using it. But it's better to know and maybe carry a copy of the law.


Anyway, not all cops have palms the same size...


I do really believe that whether one is charged with a knife violation depends a LOT on appearance. A shaggy guy on a motorcycle is more likely to be searched and hassled than an executive type in a suit, driving a Mercedes.
Ill be able to ask a couple LEO friends come Sat, both Bobby and Joe ought to know.
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I think it changed to 5 in max? Ive been told you can carry what you want as long as the blade isnt longer than the palm of your hand.
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Thanks for all the replies. It looks like carrying an automatic knife has the cool factor, but there is not much to be gained with one over my Spiderco thumb-opener when it comes to ripping through a tough plastic clam shell containing the toy my four year old nephew wants now. I'll think about an automatic when the time comes to replace my Delica 4, but I'll carry a fixed blade knife if I want a fighting knife.
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During Rick Perry's tenure as Governor, knife laws changed for the better. (So did gun laws.) I gather that switchblades are now legal, as are assisted opening knives. Max. blade length is 5.5 inches.


I think any of the following remain illegal: Bowies, daggers, poniards, dirks, stilletos, swords, machetes, and gravity knives. Not sure about the last. I don't think machetes are specifically named, but they're over 5.5 inch blades, so if a cop wants to get you, they could go that route.


I used to work with a young guy who was a little reckless and who liked to race cars. That got him in trouble with game wardens after a race at a lake. They thought he smart-mouthed them as well as racing. So, they went on a treasure hunt and found his tackle box with a fillet knife over 5.5 inches and charged him with an illegal knife.


I've heard that San Antonio has a ban on all lockblade knives. Check, if going there. Plano supposedly has a three-inch blade limit, but that conflicts with state law as does the ban on lockblades. I think state law prempts local laws. Someone with money needs to sue to repeal those laws.


We have a member in South Australia. He told me that cops there generally don't bother with knife laws unless they're looking to hang something on someone that they want for something else or can't charge, otherwise. I suspect that a knife they'd ignore might get you in trouble in New South Wales or in Victoria.


It's always good to know the literal law and how cops tend to enforce it. I think much depends on the pesonal image that a person has.
You are correct in that Texas state law supersedes municipal codes. San Antone and Plano have acknowledged the law and switchblades (under Texas restrictions) are no longer illegal in their cities
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You are correct in that Texas state law supersedes municipal codes. San Antone and Plano have acknowledged the law and switchblades (under Texas restrictions) are no longer illegal in their cities
I was hoping someone would use that secret source of info...it's called google!
House bill 905 established that municipal ordinances were non valid, and the Texas state weapons regulations are the standard throughout the state. 5 1/2"
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Thanks for all the replies. It looks like carrying an automatic knife has the cool factor, but there is not much to be gained with one over my Spiderco thumb-opener when it comes to ripping through a tough plastic clam shell containing the toy my four year old nephew wants now. I'll think about an automatic when the time comes to replace my Delica 4, but I'll carry a fixed blade knife if I want a fighting knife.


You need to zip tie your Spyderco to make it waveable and open automatically when you draw it. Faster than an auto.
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I guess that's okay if you always wear 5.11's and have room to move your draw arm that quickly. I'll stick with a go button . . .
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I wear jeans. This works with any kinds of pant. Not sure what you mean about moving your draw arm quickly...huh? It just deploys automatically when you pull it out of your pocket. You don't have to pull out quickly like the guy in the vid. Normal draw does the same thing.Spyderco Tenacious - Making your knife different - YouTube

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I wear jeans. This works with any kinds of pant. Not sure what you mean about moving your draw arm quickly...huh? It just deploys automatically when you pull it out of your pocket. You don't have to pull out quickly like the guy in the vid. Normal draw does the same thing.
Try it on your back or belly with somebody on top of you. Knife fights are really messy and unpredictable. I'll stick with a go button . . .
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Actually I have lol. I can do it lying on my back in my bed. All you have to do is draw it like you would with your auto. Can't you draw yours on your back?I'm not trying to knock autos. Go with what you like. I merely posted this for the benefit of the guy who is sticking with his Spyderco Delica. Not to convince auto fans to switch.
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