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Old 02-01-2017, 10:59 AM
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I have one on pre order from Bud's. Total cost was $400.67 with free shipping.

Seems a lot of people want one of these. Utility aside, I think the draw is just to own a SBS that is technically not an SBS at all and comes with no extra paperwork or headaches.

Plus I hear the birdshead grip and strap forend are nice for taiming recoil. I plan to use mine for fun woods blasting and to keep in my bedroom as a fixed position barricade gun alongside my Browning Hi-Power.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:08 AM
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Got one on pre order from Buds. I don't think they have been released anyswheres yet.
Rifled or smoothbore don't matter a whit. those 54 & 58 caliber muzzle loading pistols that have been around "forever" are "destructive devices"?
1: Don't take interweb OPINIONS as fact.
2: nobody said life has to make sense. To me if it fires a shotgun shell, that would make it a shotgun, NOT whether it has a shoulder stock or not. IMO
3: Don't you think Mossberg would find out if it's legal BEFORE pouring millions into making/selling them?
4: They are NOT NEW. I've seen them at gun shows for a while now. (within the last year???)
5: IMO YES mfg'rs (not just Mossberg)are exploiting the whole "not a shotgun loophole"
6: Yes I think they will sell more of them because they look so
"bad -" vs how well a shoulder stock will actually let you hit your target.

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It will also shoot the Aguila Mini-Shotshells. Now that pushes it over the top for me. I want one...
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Rifled or smoothbore don't matter a whit. those 54 & 58 caliber muzzle loading pistols that have been around "forever" are "destructive devices"?
1: Don't take interweb OPINIONS as fact.
2: nobody said life has to make sense. To me if it fires a shotgun shell, that would make it a shotgun, NOT whether it has a shoulder stock or not. IMO
3: Don't you think Mossberg would find out if it's legal BEFORE pouring millions into making/selling them?
4: They are NOT NEW. I've seen them at gun shows for a while now. (within the last year???)
5: IMO YES mfg'rs (not just Mossberg)are exploiting the whole "not a shotgun loophole"
6: Yes I think they will sell more of them because they look so
"bad -" vs how well a shoulder stock will actually let you hit your target.
Bro. What you've been seeing are modified guns but not the true Mossberg factory version. The stuff to make these has been out for a while, but a pre-made version from Mossberg with it's own model number etc. had not been released yet.

I am fully aware this won't be as good for actual shooting as "muh daddy's" duck gun or anything with a proper stock. Don't care. I bought it because I've always wanted a "sawed off Hollywood" style shotgun. Why? Because I just do, and nobody ever said a gun has to be super practical to own or enjoy.

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Old 02-01-2017, 02:00 PM
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[QUOTE=JayFramer;139444973]Bro. What you've been seeing are modified guns but not the true Mossberg factory version. The stuff to make these has been out for a while, but a pre-made version from Mossberg with it's own model number etc. had not been released yet.

I have a bro & you are not him. You have it ENTIRELY WRONG. Those "whatever you want to call them" are in NO WAY MODIFIED,& come exactly like that from the factory. That is how they get around the 18" barrel length loophole, because they WERE NOT MODIFIED. NO they are not the same as Daddy's shotgun. There are other manufacturers than Mossberg making them, & it could be another brand I've been seeing at gun shows.
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You have it ENTIRELY WRONG. Those "whatever you want to call them" are in NO WAY MODIFIED,& come exactly like that from the factory. That is how they get around the 18" barrel length loophole, because they WERE NOT MODIFIED.
Actually they are modified, either by the company who makes the accessories, or by gun owners who buy the parts and do the mods themselves.

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There are other manufacturers than Mossberg making them, & it could be another brand I've been seeing at gun shows.
What you've probably been seeing at gunshows are shotguns that have been modified by a company like Shockwave Technologies.

They take a Mossberg pump shotgun, usually the 500 or 590 that comes with the pistol grip, and either modify it themselves and sell them, or sell the parts. Someone has to shorten the barrel to 14". Then a magazine tube lug must be added. They sell the "Raptor" grip, which appears virtually identical to Mossberg's birdshead grip. They even sell a strap kit for the forend that'll make the gun look like a Mossberg factory gun.

Speaking for myself, I'll wait for the actual Mossberg product and be sure of having a decent factory warranty.

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Old 02-01-2017, 02:20 PM
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Bro. What you've been seeing are modified guns but not the true Mossberg factory version. The stuff to make these has been out for a while, but a pre-made version from Mossberg with it's own model number etc. had not been released yet.

I have a bro & you are not him. You have it ENTIRELY WRONG. Those "whatever you want to call them" are in NO WAY MODIFIED,& come exactly like that from the factory. That is how they get around the 18" barrel length loophole, because they WERE NOT MODIFIED. NO they are not the same as Daddy's shotgun. There are other manufacturers than Mossberg making them, & it could be another brand I've been seeing at gun shows.
You need to chill out. You WERE seeing other brands, NOT MOSSBERG MADE ONES. See, I can use caps lock too.

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Old 02-01-2017, 03:40 PM
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Great, now that's two things I learned today.

You people are making my head quiver.


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Old 02-01-2017, 04:49 PM
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In the context of this thread, (& the SB <18" rule) that would be any change to the gun from it's original factory condition. It would be easy enough to add that pistol grip & cut down the barrel of a model 500, but that would be illegal. Buy it new from the factory in the exact same dimensions, & it is legal. Clear as mud? In case you didn't read my first 2 posts correctly, I'll say it a third time. There are other manufacturers making them.

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...here's another one...rifled barrels...and less than 50 caliber...

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It would be easy enough to add that pistol grip & cut down the barrel of a model 500, but that would be illegal.
No. Not meaning to nitpick, but it wouldn't be illegal if you took the Mossberg 500 Cruiser Breacher (shown here) with the 18.5-inch barrel and whacked it down to 14", as long as you maintained the overall length at a few hundredths of an inch over 26"...simply because it wasn't manufactured/marketed with a shoulder stock.

But, I mean, why go through all that rigamarole of cutting the barrel and magazine tube, paying for and adding the other stuff and having a DIY gun, when you can just buy the thing fully assembled/complete and be done with it. Besides, once someone starts modifying an existing gun in their home workshop, they've pretty much voided the warranty.

The only drawback I see (so far) to the new Mossberg Shockwave 590 is that once they hear about it or see one, every punk hoodlum in town's gonna want one.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't know how many my friend ordered for his store, but I'll bet they sell out in a week or less.

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No. Not meaning to nitpick, but it wouldn't be illegal if you took the Mossberg 500 Cruiser Breacher (shown here) with the 18.5-inch barrel and whacked it down to 14", as long as you maintained the overall length at a few hundredths of an inch over 26"...simply because it wasn't manufactured/marketed with a shoulder stock.

But, I mean, why go through all that rigamarole of cutting the barrel and magazine tube, paying for and adding the other stuff and having a DIY gun, when you can just buy the thing fully assembled/complete and be done with it. Besides, once someone starts modifying an existing gun in their home workshop, they've pretty much voided the warranty.

The only drawback I see (so far) to the new Mossberg Shockwave 590 is that once they hear about it or see one, every punk hoodlum in town's gonna want one.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't know how many my friend ordered for his store, but I'll bet they sell out in a week or less.

Yep. That's why I paid and pre-ordered mine through Bud's. I figure the price will be hard to beat from them and they'll probably get a large shipment in. Mark my words, this'll be a hot seller for 'ol Mossy.
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Since the Mossberg is not meant to be shoulder fired, and Mossberg says it has a pistol grip, then how is this not a handgun? As mentioned above, a smooth bore handgun that fires shot shells falls under the NFA.
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Bad guys have never obeyed laws and just down right saw off the barrels and stocks making them NFA illegal sawed off shotguns. Most likely stolen to begin with.
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Great nightstand gun! Like it and at 21feet it patterns well with no-4buckshot. The birds head grip works well,not bad to shoot. Very effective housegun. Mossberg PGO non NFA other,not a Shotgun! Shockwave
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A other is not a shotgun or handgun just a firearm!.
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In the context of this thread, (& the SB <18" rule) that would be any change to the gun from it's original factory condition. It would be easy enough to add that pistol grip & cut down the barrel of a model 500, but that would be illegal. Buy it new from the factory in the exact same dimensions, & it is legal. Clear as mud? In case you didn't read my first 2 posts correctly, I'll say it a third time. There are other manufacturers making them.
I posted earlier that I have a Mosberg Cruiser Breacher, shipped with pistol grip. Since it isn't a shotgun, if I cut the barrel down to 14", I am not breaking the law.

Furthermore, I can order the 14" police barrel and put it on my Cruiser Breacher, and it is legal. So if you have seen 14" Mossberg 500 pistol grip/bird's head grip firearms at gunshows, in the past, someone can easily convert them legally, did so, and put them up for sale.

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