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Old 02-09-2017, 12:05 AM
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Just got the email from Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore.
This is for pre-order. Will ship as soon as available.
No charge to CC till shipped.
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Well that does it...I'm getting one.

I see that ol' Remington is selling the 870 w/Shockwave, but for a lot more. Suits me fine.

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Ordered mine last night as soon as I got the email from Sportsmans.
Just for grins I checked Buds and they were sold out and charging over $400.00.
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not ordering anything... but if i see one i'm buyin it.
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not ordering anything... but if i see one i'm buyin it.
I'm with you...I'll probably wait until they hit the used market. Casual gun people will touch off 1-1/4oz slugs from these and voila...up for sale.

I've been burned too many times by the "get on our list" deal. Cards get charged weeks before the actual ship date. Good luck to those that went that route.
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I hope they make them in 20 gauge. Close up, bad guy can't tell the difference.
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i bought an 870 on a whim recently even though i already had one. the new finish is absolute ****. you can look at it and it will rust.

i'll take my chances on the mossberg version.
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I hope they make them in 20 gauge. Close up, bad guy can't tell the difference.
I ordered 12ga mini 2.2inch 00 buckshot shells from J&G Sales.
From videos I've watched on the Shockwave not much recoil with these. 1250 fps, not too shabby.
Looking forward to firing it with both the 2.2 and standard size 00 shells. Might even put some slugs thru it.
Cost for 10 boxes was $90.94 shipped.
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Ordered mine 1/27 through an LGS. No telling when they'll get here. I'm in no hurry.
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Gotta love J&G Sales...ordered the mini 12 ga 00 buck for the Shockwave last night around 11PM last night and the shells are on the way via UPS.
Hopefully the shot gun will be shipped soon.
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Gotta love J&G Sales...ordered the mini 12 ga 00 buck for the Shockwave last night around 11PM last night and the shells are on the way via UPS.
Are these the Aguila brand? And Mossberg says the gun will need the rubber adapter for the loading gate to use the mini-shells, but they don't say whether or not it comes with the gun.

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I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Mossberg is being cagey about when they'll ship. Won't surprise me if it's April before they start showing up at distributors and dealers. Some places are saying there's a four to six month wait.
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Old 02-10-2017, 12:22 AM
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Watchdog, the shell's are Nobel Sport Centurion.
Never heard of that brand, I don't go thru many shot gun shells.

I didn't know about needing that rubber adapter for the loading gate.
Makes sense. Maybe someone here has one already and will pass the info of what it comes with.

I hope I get it sooner, but Sportsmans stated they won't charge my CC till it ships. And I've dealt with them before. Never any problem's.

Buds was sold out last night, so Mossberg is shipping them out to dealers.

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I tried to figure out what the Shockwave would be under New Jersey Law:

New Jersey Revised Statutes § 2c:39-1 - Definitions.

f."Firearm" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectable ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances....

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k."Handgun" means any pistol, revolver or other firearm originally designed or manufactured to be fired by the use of a single hand.

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m."Rifle" means any firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder and using the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

n."Shotgun" means any firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder and using the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shots or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger, or any firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder which does not fire fixed ammunition.

o."Sawed-off shotgun" means any shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length measured from the breech to the muzzle, or a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length measured from the breech to the muzzle, or any firearm made from a rifle or a shotgun, whether by alteration, or otherwise, if such firearm as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

So, under a strict reading of the above, and in accord with the BATFE reading of the NFA, the Shockwave is a "firearm" but it should not be a handgun, rifle or shotgun.

However, New Jersey gun laws are read and enforced expansively. Therefore, I would expect that a New Jersey Court would consider the Shockwave to be a sawed off shotgun because, even though it is not a shotgun and never was a shotgun, it sort of looks like it was made from a shotgun and it has a barrel less than 18 inches. IMHO, the Court would say, if you started with a shotgun and sawed it down it would look just like the Shockwave, therefore, the Shockwave is a sawed off shotgun.

Also, it might be a "Destructive Device":

c."Destructive device" means any device, instrument or object designed to explode or produce uncontrolled combustion, including (1) any explosive or incendiary bomb, mine or grenade; (2) any rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces or any missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter of an ounce; (3) any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes;

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What a silly gun.
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I had one in my hand here in PA . I did not buy it . It was nice .
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The mossy is well made and reliable. This is a much better than the 870 and the reason the military uses mossbergs not Remington.. Mossbergs has a easy more reliable loading port the follower does not block the loading port. Two extractors, easy to replace ejector with screw, and same lock up as Ar's metal to metal with alloy rec. Plus the only one to pass the Military ordnance test. The shock wave is a good idea and another tool for the box.

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I'm more interested in the mini shells than the shotgun itself.

If this one is legal, why can't I cut one down to that size legally?
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If the need arose that shotgun would be difficult to
explain to some copper not up on guns.
Handy...but I will pass.
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If this one is legal, why can't I cut one down to that size legally?
The ATF regulations. Even lawyers have a difficult time interpreting all the regs.
I'm not a lawyer. I think the Shockwave is classified as a "other" AOW when the FFL fills out the paper work.
Not a pistol, rifle or shotgun.
That's why I bought it now before the anti gun groups lawyers start bring suites against them.
All I do know it is legal now.
Get it while the getting's good.
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I'm more interested in the mini shells than the shotgun itself.

If this one is legal, why can't I cut one down to that size legally?
Its legal because it was never a shotgun as the law sees it. It was not made with the purpose of being fired from the shoulder, so the barrel length is not regulated. It still needs to be 26" overall length, the same as a regular pistol grip Cruiser. The length is just distributed differently.

If you cut yours down you have created a short barreled shotgun.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.
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If the need arose that shotgun would be difficult to
explain to some copper not up on guns.
Handy...but I will pass.
That's why I live in Missouri.
Don't have to explain to LEO's or anyone else why I own any legally purchased firearms.
CCW or open carry is legal here with no permission needed from the state as long as you are not a felon or illegally in the U.S.

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All I know is that I don't have the desire to shoot a 12 gauge in that configuration. 20 gauge maybe. Pistol grip is bad enough.

As shown here, conventional home defense shotguns are no more difficult to handle than a pistol or AR.

As for as having one for a collection? Maybe.

Also, the mini shot shells don't always feed well in some shot guns. Tested them a few years ago in semi auto and pump guns and had problems. Don't remember the brand of guns. Been too long ago. I would suggest buying a box to test before stocking up on them.

Don't mean to derail the thread. Just some random thoughts.
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What a silly gun.
Wonderfully so!!!!! Picked mine up Wednesday. Fine and dandy with low brass...not so entertaining with high brass. I have a Remington 870 with a 12 inch barrel SBS with all the correct paperwork and it is a 72 caliber carbine. My question on this Mossberg I just got is...at what length does the sticky outie thing in the back become a stock? Could it be ordered with a 2 inch longer "not stock" and a 2 inch shorter barrel? Just wondering how far this concept could be pushed? As for being "silly", so what? I see people doing things daily that are silly to me. It is a fun little item to have and not too hard to come up with some useful purposes for it.

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Wonderfully so!!!!! Picked mine up Wednesday. Fine and dandy with low brass...not so entertaining with high brass.
Really glad to know you like it.
What's in the box? Hope the mini shell adapter is included.
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The Mossberg I got did not have the adaptor. Sorry to say. Mine was made by a company called Asylum Arms and is stamped on the side "The Gatekeeper". I carry it down to lock the gate every evening. So see, a perfectly named toy for the perfect purpose.
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As a side note, one of the reasons I got it was a conversation with 2 class 3 dealers and a SLED agent. This thing fits NO current specific S.C. law. The SLED Agent said there was no clear cut way to enforce vehicle carry because it doesn't fit any definition. It's a strange bird for the moment but I am sure it will be addressed soon. Remember the "street sweeper", they figured a way to get rid of it.
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This letter is relevant as to why, with an overall length greater than 26", it might not be an "any other weapon" :

http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/Pisto...hotgunLike.pdf

But since it is not a shotgun, why is it not a "Destructive Device"

(4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
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(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
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(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter;
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I don't understand any of the lawyer/government mumbo jumbo, that's why I bought one when I got the email.
Didn't look for one on any auction sites or outdoor supply stores.

I think it's a handy home / truck defensive tool.
Notice I didn't call it any certain type legal or suggested as such with tool.
Legalese is easy once I figured it out. :-)
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Agreed. This isn't some creation of your Uncle Clem in his auto body shop. It's being sold by Mossberg and they assuredly did their legal eagle homework before starting series production, spooling up their marketing team, and informing their distributors. So debating the legality of the model seems like dramatic overthink. Buy and enjoy with the understanding that its legal status can change at any time e.g. SIG brace, street sweeper, 10/22 shoelaces, et cetera.
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Someone made an interesting point online: the Mossy 500 Cruiser is the same 26"-ish length as the Shockwave, yet has an 18" bbl and is, on sale, about 1/2 the price.

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Someone made an interesting point online: the Mossy 500 Cruiser is the same 26"-ish length as the Shockwave, yet has an 18" bbl and is, on sale, about 1/2 the price.

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I'd say the Shockwave is a great example of how a few small changes can greatly affect handling qualities. The Cruiser has a vertical pistol grip, which is a lot harder on the firing hand than a straight stock like the Shockwave. Remember a Mossberg has a top side safety, hard to use with a pistol grip. The Cruiser also has more of it's length out in front of the support hand, which compromises maneuverability in close quarters. Kinda like the difference between a 4" barrel or a 10" barrel on a revolver.

The Cruiser doesn't have the strapped fore end, although that could easily be added after purchase for an additional cost. And it's not a 590.

Beside the truck gun aspect, I'm thinking the Shockwave would be a real nice RV or camper trailer gun, where space and maneuverability are at a premium.

I've experimented with a pistol grip on a 18.5" barreled 500, with & with out a pistol grip fore end to help with the recoil, and it wasn't a big improvement over a short regular stock as far as bumping around in close quarters. I imagine the Shockwave would be a lot easier to carry & bring to bear than the pistol-gripped 500.
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i bought an 870 on a whim recently even though i already had one. the new finish is absolute ****. you can look at it and it will rust.

i'll take my chances on the mossberg version.
turns green. What happened to remington after they moved south? Greed??? Marlin and everything else they have acquired just don't cut it now. JMO.
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