Some S&Ws that I saw at a pawn shop have been calling my name for a long time and I dropped by. They weren't there any more, but there was a used Sig P250 9mm. Got to $385 and I said 'Sold'. Looking at Sig prices I didn't think I'd ever own one. I'm going to check it out at the range tomorrow. it appears to have MSRP of $500, which is pretty inexpensive for a Sig.

The only thing 'wrong' seems to be that the blue is worn on the barrel where the bushing hits along with some lines at the locking points on the barrel. So it has been fired some, but mostly looked like it needed a cleaning. I see that Sig was supposed to supply several countries with large quantities for police work, but were never able to keep the quality up and H&K won out.

Can somebody tell me about these? Interesting that they are 'modular' guns that can convert easily to other calibers. The firing action even comes out by removing the take down lever pin.

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From what I understand, you made a good purchase. The P250 is a close kin to the P320. I had recently been looking to purchase a high capacity 9mm and was researching the H&K VP9, Walther PPQ, S&W M&P 2.0, and the Sig P320. After about 2 weeks of research (based on reliability, warranty service, known owners of the guns, etc.) I had all but decided on the Walther PPQ. I had seriously looked at the Sig, but I read that many people did not like the more vertical grip angle on the Sig, and I had held and fired a PPQ, which fit my hand perfectly. Then I visited the LGS, and actually held and fired a rental P320. I was sold. It felt just as good as the PPQ, Sig's customer service is well known, and the price was about the same as the PPQ, plus the Sig already came with night sights and that would be an additional cost with the PPQ.
I also like the modularity of the Sig, since the serialized part of the gun is the trigger group, you can order different calibers (slide, barrel, recoil spring assy, and grip module) for about $350-$400. Plus, you can order different grip modules in different sizes (ie: full size, carry, and compact) and colors for about $45 from Sig or other retailers. From my research on the Sig website, I noticed that the P250 and P320 share some of the same parts such as the grip modules.
All in all, I think you will be happy with the purchase, but that is just my 2 cents worth.

Sig makes a darn solid and well fit pistol. I'm particularly in love with their 1911's. Enjoy your new find. You got it at a great price.

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I bought a barely used Sig P250sc .40 S&W last Thursday with the box, papers, and four spare mags for $305.00 + tax. I like DAO pistols, and these are capable of repeat strike. I have a FDE grip module in route, it should arrive today.


The early Sig P250 pistols had a few problems, Sig ironed those out and made a few design changes to the fame. The long trigger pull turns a lot of people off, but the pull is smooth and consistent. The mag release can be switched to the RH side for lefties and the slide release is ambidextrous. Overall size is comparable to a Glock 26 with a +2 extension on the magazine, but a bit thinner.

If it fits your hand properly, I think you will like it.

I have a 1911 Ultra and like it a lot.

Sig always intrigued me despite the fact that I never really understood what the company wanted to be... i.e., their place or niche or purpose in the American handguns/firearms marketplace. I felt that I understood S&W... and Colt... and Ruger... and many others... but never Sig. I started off buying a Mosquito .22 because I thought that would help, but it didn't. Many times, I wanted to buy a Sig SP2022 as well (because it felt so good shooting it), but the last good opportunities to snag one at a decent price eventually went away. And it sure didn't help matters that their all-metal P-Series pistols weren't exactly cheap.

It was a short-term promotional membership at a local range with numerous loaner pistols (including Sigs) that finally turned me around. I no longer cared about the company's raison d'être. I just cared about the quality, reliability and accuracy I was feeling and seeing.

I now own a P226 and a P229. Both great guns. Someday, if I live long enough, I will probably own a P220 or P227 as well.

I am far less impressed with their newest modular plastic pistols... but maybe that's just because plastic anything doesn't appeal to me in the same way that all-metal does. Everyone says that the P320-Series is fabulous (even with a MA-compliant trigger). Perhaps I will come around in time now that the military has decided to go with them.

The P320 is the new kid on the block.
I have let several people shoot my P320c and they have all gone and bought one, and these are some serious shooters.
Never would have believed a stricker fired pistol could be so good.

Just saying.

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Ok don't kill the messenger but you can get a NIB Sig P250 Compact/Subcompact/Fullsized with night sights if you shop around for about $355 NIB. You have to add shipping and transfer. So add $30 give or take a few. I have seen them as low as $310 recently for 9mms.

So on price you did OK not great. Don't worry about the wear on the barrel. It is 100% normal and does not effect the function of the gun. It is often referred as the "Sig Smile". On most guns the most severe wear happens in the first 300 rounds and then it slows down. Some of my well used Sig barrels are almost in the white in those areas.



Early P250s had problems. There have been about 5 different tweaks/revisions to the P250 pistol over the years. The biggest ones came after the pistol failed the ATF trials and Sig claimed that the ATF put too high a consideration on reliability in their evaluation. After that revision the pistol seems to be solid.

So I would try to ascertain when the pistol was built. I would look for a date code on the box it should be there. If your pistol is only a few years old you should be good to go. Even if it is older you should still be good to go. If however you ever need warranty work I would suggest that you do not say you bought the pistol used. Some people report Sig not honoring the warranty for second owners although for me personally they have.

The gun as I am sure you already know has a long DA pull. They long DA pull is very smooth. Many revolver shooters love it. For those who are used to Glock strikers and their short resets the long DA pull and long reset are a turnoff. This is one of the reasons P250 sales suffered. They were competing in the tactical plastic world and they are simply too different.

This is why Sig used the frame, slides and barrel as the guts for the P320 which is basically a striker fired version of the P250. IIRC the grip modules are all the same. So support for the P250 should continue even if Sig drops the line down the road which some believe they will with the P320 being more popular.

The modular nature of the pistol alloys you to use the fire control module in more than one grip/frame. The module technically is the pistol. You can move from a subcompact frame up to a full sized frame. You can also change the slide and barrel. Along with that you can get caliber conversion kits that will let your control module run a 40 S&W or .357 Sig gun. 45 ACP is not interchangeable due to larger dimensional differences IIRC.

The guns still has some smaller contracts but none that I can recall that were taken over by HK. Some were lost due to early reliability issues so it is possible some where taken over by HK but that is a huge price jump.

The largest contract gun Sig had prior to the adoption of the P320 by the Army was the Sig SP2022 which was adopted by the French. That is a DA/SA gun based on the old Sig Pro line of polymer pistols. It is a great gun. Its DA/SA is different than the classic P series Sigs but they can still be had for about $400 NIB not and then. There was a time when there were German proofed contract overruns everywhere for under $400 and they came with night sights and 3 mags. Those guns had triple serial numbers as well.



All in all the P250 is a decent budget shooter if you like the trigger. I did not keep mine. It was a gen 1 gun and ran fine. I bought it back when I was a "Sig" guy. I have seen downsized my Sig collection to a German P220, a German P228 X2, a US assembled P228, a German P225, a German Sig P226 and a P320 in 45 ACP. I am looking to get a P320 in 9mm with a couple of different frames and slide combos but I think I am going to get the new CZ P10 first.

Anyway good look with the new pistol I am sure it will serve you well.

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Its because the striker is under full tension. Technically it is a SA only striker fired gun but it is still classified as a DA striker.

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I had Sigs for years, all the metal framed P220 varients and a P238. Yes, they are heavier than the plastic versions but they are rock solid, go bang every time I pull the trigger and Sig's CS is outstanding. Ive shot the P320 numerous times and will be purchasing one in the near term.

I'm thankful that most of the SIG grips I've tried feel like the large diameter end of a baseball bat. Probably saved me a bunch of money. Been very happy with the P238 and less so with the Mosquito.

Good luck entering SIG world.

The Mosquito was discontinued for a reason. Also it was not a real Sig it was a zinc alloy made by German Sport Guns GmbH. German Sport Guns GmbH is so hit or miss with its QC I would never own one of their guns. Pot metal replica junk IMHO.

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I saw that gun on G&A TV the other night and was very impressed, I have the 1911 5" that shoots a ragged hole it's so accurate. Those two ragged holes are two groups your looking at on the target. Here's mine and the target, first time out @ about 12' and the two I customized for my twin sons graduation from Marine boot camp. Enjoy, you have a great gun.

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I love my little Sig P238 SAS. Amazing how well that little pistol shoots. Small, yet with enough heft for accurate shooting. Points naturally and has big boy sights. Just a nice, well made, reliable pistol in a small package. And, it's easy on the eyes to look at.





Thank you for looking.

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Transformation completed. I like this look.

Where can I read about that?

I looked at one of those SP2022 deals some years ago, but I just couldn't go through with the deal at the time. I also became one of the "I'll never own a Sig" brigade.

There are two in the safe now.

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That was the case for me too, at least on the P226 and P229, right up until they came up with the E2 grips.

I'm told that the SP2022 is either being discontinued or has already been discontinued. I lost my last opportunity for a really good price on one last year when a local dealer was blowing them out for cheap prior to going out of business. The 9mm versions sold out almost instantly he said. The .40's lingered but I've already got enough .40's to sink a ship.

It's funny how the SP2022 never quite rose to the top of my Want List during all those years when they were available and very reasonably priced. Now that they are scarce and expensive, I want one! Human nature strikes again!

I have 2 sig's a P238HD and Legion P229 in 40 both shoot both are joys to shoot and very accurate .. the P238 is easy to carry and conceal in any clothing your wearing that day .. the Legion a bit bigger but still concealable I wear it IWB at 4:30..

I've never been a one brand only as I have pistols by 4 different makers ..

Although I am into Smiths, Sig makes good weapons. Have a 1911, and a Sig P239. The quality is there. Bob

If anyone is thinking about a P250, they probably should jump on them now while there are still some at dealers and in distributor pipelines. SiG only catalogs the .22 LR version on their website now, no centerfires. Whether this is permanent, or temporary while they crank up P320 product, is anyone's guess.

I like that the P250 used the traditional looking SIG slide, but never liked the DAO action and the grip frame just didn't feel like the traditional metal frames. The SP2022 feels and looks more like the original guns, and is DA/SA.

The P320 seems interesting, but I've never cared for striker fired guns that did not have a manual safety. S&W offers that option. I wonder if SIG eventually will?

The Mosquito was a disaster. The pot metal slides kept breaking in two. Very poor design. If the slide had been machined from quality aluminum SIG would have had a winner.

At this point I'm sticking with the metal frame SIGs. Have a P220 45, P225 9mm, P226 in multiple calibers and a P227 45.

I've recently seen them going for that new. I believe it's because they are being discontinued. They just never caught on and there seemed to be a lot of problems with them.

I was somewhat interested with them being true DAO guns and took a look at them, but read numerous not so favorable reviews and they were a bit too bulky IMO.

I hope you got a good one.

I too have an SIG-Ultra. Shot it for the first time this week. Excellent accuracy, and relatively mild recoil. I was VERY impressed. All around, much better than my S&W 1911.

Oh I like my Sig for autos and Smith for revolvers.
Both have high prices.
I am trying to stay away from plastic only because I prefer SA/DA.
My Shield(s) work fine.
You may have what you prefer now.

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My Sig P250sc in a Bianchi UMH holster and a Don Hume JIT belt slide.

I have not handled or fired one, but a 250c has been on my radar for a possible future purchase for some time. I do like the modularity and the true DAO trigger. The biggest issue I have with them is the proprietary rear sight. Because of the way it's installed, the only replacement sights available are Sig's tritium and non-tritium sights. If those work for you, then no problem.

As far as the contracts go, I believe the Dutch military had ordered a large number of P250s, but Sig couldn't deliver both quantity and quality so the contract was canceled. I also believe ATF had a similar issue. Both canceled contracts involved the 1st generation guns. The issues have supposedly been fixed with the 2nd generation guns. Here's how to tell the difference:

It was the Dutch police, and the problem was that Sig couldn't get the P250 to run reliably with their special 94 gr ammo.

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That's probably why the trigger is so light.

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Wikipedia has a lot of general info. I was dismayed when I heard they were rejected by the Dutch, USA and some others.

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Thank you guys for providing so much very useful info. My problem is that I didn't know Sigs except for a few model numbers and with new ones going from $700 to way up and used ones being not much less. I had no idea that there were 'budget' model Sigs. Now I know more thanks to you guys. I was just glad to find one that was affordable to me. If I look into them more I'll be more forearmed. Well, officially, now I know about 500 times more than I did about Sigs just by reading all of this.

Ok....Range report. In short, smooth as glass, trigger, slide. Take down is so easy and it goes back together without arguing. The trigger was amazing. I started out with all DAO guns for safety reasons (I wanted all my guns to work the same so anybody in my family would know how they work without hesitation) The trigger on my third gen S&W is very good. The Sig is EXCELLENT! As long as the ammo was 'decent', it was reliable as the day is long. I tried shooting some 'indecent' reloads that I've had problems with and some fired, some choked, but it wasn't the fault of the guns at all. (I bought some 147 grain cast SWCs that I had had great luck with. For some reason this batch is terrible. ) Again, not the fault of the Sig or any of my guns, but a mysterious component/reloading problem. I was able to clear up all jams more easily than with my other guns.

Sights - great, clear and easy to get the target picture and aim right on the dot.



Final tally - 10 in all categories. I love this gun.

At 10 yards fast and slow fire I tore the target up. Fast shooting spread out but not too bad.

At 15 yards slow fire I grouped around 10-11 O'clock about 3-4" out.

I practiced triple taps from a lowered gun at 5 yards. It was deadly, but I need to smooth out and not be so jerky. At this I tend to shoot a little to the right and down. My errors were vertical instead of wide so all of them would be effective SD shots.

All of the faults were with me and not the gun. I'm extremely happy with it. I like the ergonomics and so does my son. Just the right amount of heft and comfortable with all ammo.

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rwsmith, which P250 did you get, the full size, compact, or sub compact?

Picked up a new FS P250 for $388 w/military discount.
Love the DAO trigger. Perfect for high stress situations.
Added a Sig light/laser.
Just what the doctor ordered for things that go bump in the night.

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I caught the Sig bug when I got my CHL. First one was a P239 in 40S&W. Loved it and still have it. Qualified with it every time the renewel came up. Then I got one of the West German P6"s in 9mm. Started shooting with it and actually lost track of rounds shot through it. Qualified with that one also. Best time I had with it was at the local range. Some 20 somthings were banging away at pie plates at 10 yards. Said I could shoot if I wanted. Two 8 round mags with wwb at that distance you could have covered with a deck of cards. They were amazed at the accuracy of that old west german pistol. Told them if they see one at our local shows to grab it. I have about 8 extra mags that I got when AIM had them for sale.Frank

It is the compact model, which I find to be 'just right'. It could easily be a carry gun but I got it mostly for range and HD. I haven't seen or tried it in sub compact, but I bet it would be great in that category and would feel a lot more substantial than my 13 oz. plastic Kel Tec P11. I also read the specs on the full size model. At 27 oz. it's a lot of honkin' gun. I have an S&W 5943, the alloy framed 3rd gen semi that feels great. My son has a what Taurus calls a 'medium' frame gun that weighs 27 oz and I'd consider it home and range only. I would NOT carry that around.

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So it's definitely one of the old ones. Now that I know that they are actually affordable on my meager budget I'll keep my eye out for newer models. You know, I've never seen many used Sigs around these parts. I think I see more Rugers, Smiths and Glocks than anything along with the Taurus and other 'inexpensives. The rest are Brownings, Berettas, H&Ks etc.

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The compact parts will fit the sub compact grip modules ($40.00), then you will need a grip adapter sleeve ($13.00) or a sub compact magazine ($40.00); if you prefer to not have the accessory rails. It appears the non- rail sub compact modules are only offered in small widths.

I bough the 250 based on John Connor's recommendation. He writes
for American Handgunner and I respect his opinion. High point is the
wonderful trigger. Super smooth just like a double action Smith. Matches well with other carry guns like a Kahr P9 and J frame
Smiths. A lot to be said for all carry guns feeling the same.

That's a nice option to have. Same gun n a compact. Interesting.

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I've been looking for a small .380. Wanted a SIG P232, but they are not available due to the German government prohibiting SIG from exporting.

I wish SIG would make the P238 in DA/SA. It would be an ideal companion to their larger metal frame autos in that format.

I wanted to like Sigs, I really did. I think the 226/220 series are lovely guns, and I even like the looks of the 320s. I like the way the guns feel in my hands, and I like the full length slide rails on my P6.

But I hate the triggers, now many of you told me the 250/320s are a lot better and I haven't had the chance to handle on yet. But the P series triggers suck for me. Too much slack and takeup.

I hated glocks my whole life, but over the last year, if it ain't a wheel gun in my hands, then its a glock. I love that I can tech the whole gun with a nail/punch.

My P6 looks like a bitch just to swap the hammer spring.

But by far my biggest beef with Sig is the lack of magazine compatibility. A double stack 9mm should fit another double stack of the same frame size. Take it out of you 226 and slam in it your 320, but sadly that doesn't happen. So if you want to have a couple Sigs, you are going to be buying a ton of incompatible mags. I love glock for that, and I wish more companies followed suit.

I have an S&W 5943 DAO and the trigger is great for a DAO. The 250 trigger is a little lighter, both are silky smooth. The best DAO trigger I have is the Shield. It's almost like a SA.
One thing about the Sig is how the trigger has a little play forward and back when the finger if off. When you've got your finger on it's fine. I'm not big on reset, but the Sig has a tactile/audible one.

The field strip of the 250 is easy as pie. I don't go much beyond that because I'm a bubba smith and would be bound to REALLY mess something up.

That's something about the mags. One way to make money I guess. The more guns you have the more mags you'll need.

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I hear this a lot and I do not disagree but a lot has to do with how you "run" the trigger. I like to use a hard prep and take the slack out of the trigger as the gun cycles. The Sigs take up and slack allows me to "prep" the trigger and then break the shot giving me faster slips and better accuracy vs jerking the trigger but not everyone shoots the same so one man's advantage is another man's disadvantage.

I hated glocks my whole life, but over the last year, if it ain't a wheel gun in my hands, then its a glock. I love that I can tech the whole gun with a nail/punch.

You can't argue with the simplicity of the Glock. The Sig is going to be more complicated but then again just about any hammer fired gun will be more complicated then a striker.

This is not a fair comparison. Glock really makes 1 guns in the double stack 9mm. They then offer that gun in 3 different sizes. The fullsized 17, compact 19 and the subcompact 26. The mags run in that same gun from the top down.

The same is true within the Sig classic P series guns. P226 9mm mags run in the the P228 or P229. They do not have a double stack subcompact in the classic P series so the compatibility ends there. The same IIRC stays true in 40 S&W and .357 P226/P229.

The same was true for the Sig P220 and the Sig P245. The P220 mags ran in the P245.

In the P320 lineup the Glock type compatibility runs up and down the line. Fullsized mags work in compact and subcompact guns.

The idea that P320 mags would work in classic P series guns and vice versa is too much to expect. Do you expect M&P mags to work in Gen 3 Smiths?

You are taking a very narrow aspect of the Glock line up and applying it to companies that have multiple designs and multiple platforms. If you look closely Glock really only has 1 design. They adapt it to fit other calibers and convert if from double stack to single stack but the "guts" are all the same design. Think Japanese auto engines. Other companies have distinct independent designs which which are independently developed but offer similar compatibility within the same design.

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got a friend with an SP 2022 very comfortable to hold but I never shot it. Now the p250 I'm curious about but I like guns to look reasonably decent but the 250 looks cartoonish to me

That's silly. They're two different designs. That's like wanting a Springfield mag to work in a Beretta. And why is everyone so averse to buying mags? You don't have to buy hundreds

That's not possible. It would mean that among other things all grips have to be the same size and same angle. Every company is like that. HK USP and P2000/P30 mags don't interchange. Sig 226 and 2022 don't interchange. S&W 5900, M&P, Sigma don't interchange.

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My beef with buying mags is the price of the mags and how many are needed at a time. For example, shooting a club IDPA match, I need a minimum of 4 just to clear the stage (1 barney mag, and 3 loaded), but if the event isn't well attended and moves fast, I don't want to hold them up loading mags so I would prefer more. With sig mags running around $40 a pop, that sucks.

Yes, the 1911 guys are paying a lot for mags too, but I don't shoot them. =)

I bought 4 mags for my Sig P6, carefully waiting for them to drop to the $40 range on ebay. But someday if I wanted a new sig P225, still a single stack 9... it should take the old p225/p6 mags. Nope, the changed the mag completely.

That is because it is not the same gun. The tooling for the old mags has been long gone for years. They were discontinued when the P6 surplus guns flooded the market. That is what you were paying so much.

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You have to look around. There are tons of websites with good prices. I have several SIGs and never paid $40 a mag.

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Correct. I have an old P225. It is a scaled down P220.

The new P225A1 is actually based on the P239. P239 mags will not fit the P225A1 because of the longer grip on the latter. But reports are the P225A1 mags will fit the P239.

Because the P225A1 is based on the P239, I was hoping SIG was going to bring it out in 357 SIG for 2017. There were rumors about this last year from discussions some dealers had with SIG reps. But, alas, it's not on their website. I think a single stack P225A1 in 357 SIG would make a really good medium size carry piece.