show em if you got em..

type III M1 from the saginaw gear division of general motors. no import marks.

picked this one up last weeek... nice wood. didnt really miss the sling and oiler.. i figured they were a dime a dozen.... uh... no.

absolutely perfect combo!

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and a .22lr wannabe

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Underwood Elliot Fisher.........Also stamped Bavarian Forestry police...........From CMP.....

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I've been tinkering with USGI M1 carbines for about 20 years.




Here's my 1943 Springfield M1 rifle, 1943 IBM M1 carbine, and 1943 Ithaca M1911A1

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My only two:

I've loved M1 carbines back to the days of the 60's when I ruled the local wood lot with my Crossman M1 bb gun. These days , I have one very nice 44' vintage (Inland rebarreled) Winchester in the collection. (Sorry no pics at the moment.) It broke my heart to give $650 for it but it's worth it. That said, I can remember when an M1 Carbine could be bough for $67 at the local Woolworth's store. (and I'm talking as recently as the 80's). Man I wish my 401K had been invested in these little guns!

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Old Timer's Story: In the early 1960s NRA Members could purchase M-1 Carbines from DCM for $20.00 plus $2.00 shipping

My Dad got one of those $20 M1's.....Went to a roost to shoot buzzards......With ball ammo......Everyone he shot flew away.......He sold it......I was only knee-high then........

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This is an old pic. There are 11 of them now. I call it my band of brothers & cousin Rocky.
All are Inlands except for the early Rock-Ola at the bottom. Just love these things!
By the way, none of them wear mag pouches on their stocks any more, since I found out
how they can damage the wood.

...And g.i. ball ammo for about 1¢/Rd.

I recently bought a pretty decent Inland with a few non-original small parts on it. I have a doctor friend who is a SERIOUS carbine collector and expert in all things .30 carbine. He put it exactly as issued/correct and I gifted it to my wife's uncle who had gifted me two nice guns over the years.

Sept. I943 Inland Div. General Motors

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A piece of electrical tape over the snap on the pouch pretty much solves that problem.

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One of the my dumbest moves was not buying one of these at the Denver Gunshow in 1993 or 94. The stock didn't look right but it had all the documentation from the DCM and the Railway Express Agency paperwork also. As I recall, the price was under $500.00.

Late Inland from the CMP Italian returns.

I have a stock 1944 IBM that I love. I shoot in fairly often in IDPA 3-gun matches and do tolerably well with it.

This is an all original Winchester that's been in the family since the guy that carried it in WWII mustered out. I'm the current caretaker.

My CMP carbine.

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Hey "HARDWARE", I have a nice M1 Carbine oiler I do not
need you can have. Shoot me a PM with your address and I'll
send it to you.

I have a number, but here are two interesting M1s.

This one is notable because it's a rare Standard Products example, in original as-issued condition. Most of the parts, including the magazine, are Standard Products manufacture.



This (Inland, of course) M1A1 is original except for the post-WWII upgrades of rear sight, safety, and bayonet lug.



John

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This was about 7 years ago, had a friend that bought an original, as-issued WWII Saginaw carbine (no bayonet stud, L-rear sight) at an estate sale for $200.

Here's my 1943 Inland.
It has the Bavarian Rural Police marking on the trigger guard.

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My Inland M1 - a post war rebuild with bayonet lug, M2 bolt and stock:

My Quality Hardware that I shot this evening.........

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I just packed up and shipped my nephew my Saginaw today. I never did take a picture of it. It was a Viet Nam sneak-back I bought a number of years ago.

just a std all original one... got from the estate of a navy ensign along with his 1911

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Actually, some that came back from Vietnam were used by the NVA and the Viet Cong. The French military, which controlled Vietnam in the post-WWII period, used a lot of .30 Carbines given to them by Uncle Sam, and when they pulled out, the carbines, or some of them, were left behind. Not too long ago there was an interesting post here by someone who had one of those VC .30 carbines, with several pictures.

Here's the Underwood that lives here, with some Army buds.

Purchased over 30 years ago so that I could quit bumming my dad's Carbine, it's a working gun for me rather than a collectible. An AR 15 lives here, but the M1 Carbine is to be preferred for my purposes. For instance, I did all-night gun show security for some promoter friends of mine this past weekend. The Carbine goes along when I do those gigs.




I grew up around the M1 Carbine. It was the first gun I ever fired when I was so young that my dad had to help hold it for me.

He purchased an M1 Carbine in 1945 from a Marine who showed up at the dock where his ship was moored in Pearl Harbor. It was a small ship, a PCE, and the captain allowed him to keep the gun on board where all appreciated shooting it at sharks and sea gulls while out at sea. My dad turned 90 on Christmas Eve and he still has it. Photos taken summer of 1945 and 2008.




My dad's Carbine is an original unfooled-with type 1 Quality Hardware with a Rock Ola barrel.

I don't recall ever not really loving World War II history. I remember being really young and not knowing that Rock Ola was a juke box manufacturer. I had the notion that the Carbine's barrel was marked for some battle it was in. The battles were confusing to a little kid's mind.

You know:
Guadalcanal
Saipan
Tarawa
Attu
Peleliu
Okinawa
Iwo Jima

... Rock Ola

Very nice looking WWII firearms. The price, room in the gun safe and number of fakes out there will keep me away though.

National Postal Meter. SN puts it at late '43.

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Not the best pic, but here's my Quality M1 Carbine with Rock Ola barrel. I've had it about 20 years. It's buried in the safe pretty deep, but this thread is making me want to get it out and warm up the barrel a bit! For such a contentious gun, in terms of the long argument about it's effectiveness etc, I sure do enjoy it. It's just "handy".

which magazines and ammo do we like for these?

We use the Keep SHooting 10-15 rounders and have never had a bobble. I think there are a number of junk magazine's out there but the GI originals--that I think are hard to find--and these from Keep Shooting have been wonderful for us. We keep the feeding ramps clean and the guns well lubed and we rarely have an issue

M1 Carbine Magazines and Clips - Keepshooting(R)

As to ammo we buy the Armscor brass cased. I think it is made in the Philippines but it shoots great.

30 Carbine Ammo : Armscor 30 CARBINE 110 GR FMJ 1000 RDS

We LOVE our M1's as shooters/truck and ATV guns.

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thanks for the link. i was having difficulty finding USGI mags

I love to use generic original military contract 15-round magazines. Not keen on the 30-round magazine though I have some around here. To me the Carbine is just "right" with the 15-round magazine. It's handier and better balanced. Looks better too.

Soft nosed bullets that mimic the shape of the military bullet work for me and are selected for using the M1 in a defensive capacity or for field use. I don't fool with hollow points, never had really good feeding results with them. Don't use cast bullets in the M1 Carbine.

Though several other family members as well as my dad's friends when I was young took deer with M1 Carbines, I never had and had always wanted to take a deer with one. Finally had an opportunity deer season before last. A small buck presented a broadside target at 49 steps. At the shot the deer gave me a mental flash impression of being hit with a .30-06, seemingly knocked down by all appearances of it. I was preparing to be impressed by the hit until the deer scooted along the ground nearly 50 yards, propelled by only his hind legs before expiring.

A postmortem found that both shoulders were completely broken down and only a shred of the heart framed a silver dollar-sized hole in the middle of it. Load used was a handload using the 110 grain Sierra soft point over a near max charge of H 110.

Well, If you live here in California we use 10 round mags. I had a whole bunch of 15 and 30 rounders once but lost them all in a tragic boating accident....

That's tragic. I'm not referring to the boating accident either.

Don't use cast in the carbine?....Really?.........I've been shooting cast in my carbines/garands & a Ruger mini-30......Forever.......Never clogged a gas port.....Probably never will.....If it should happen would be easy enough to clean it out..........

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I know how that goes. My cousin and I figured out during mass one day that the "H" in the "Jesus H Christ!" we'd heard now and again stood for Howard.

You know...

"Are father who art in heaven,
Howard be they name..."

I cast 100 gr .30 Luger bullets in a Lee .311-100-2 mold for a couple decades and I've lost count of how many I've put through this carbine and a previous carbine that went and loved with the ex wife.

I used wheel weights with 1.5 percent tin added via 10/90 bar solder to get good fill in the mold, dropped them into a 5 gallon bucket of water out of the mold to quench them and let them cure a few weeks. They made great rounds for plinking for not much more than a .22 LR.

I did have to remove the gas tappet every thousand rounds or so and clean the gas port but it was a 5 minute task.

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I loved Hornady's 100 grain half jacket bullets (they disappeared for awhile, but they are back). They were very accurate and I could get 2200 fps out of them with a max load of H110. At that velocity they'd generate 1090 ft pounds of energy - over the 1000 ft pound threshold, but SD GF&P still considered the .30 carbine to be too underpowered for deer, regardless of what you loaded it with. However, they worked great on coyotes, jack rabbits, badgers, etc.

Now I just use 110 gr plated bullets from Berry's or Xtreme.

Only one in the safe. IBM M1 Carbine Winchester USGI Stock.

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Photos 1 and 2: National Postal Meter.
Photos 3 and 4: Underwood. I believe the W on the receiver indicates the receiver came from Winchester. Carbine has flip rear sight, high wood and no bayonet lug.
Photo 5: Underwood metal in a reproduction M1A1 stock.

I've fired a lot of cast bullets out of my carbines. Used the Lyman 3118, 115 gr pointed, gas checked bullet. Only had problem with one carbine I no longer have, It had a slightly pitted barrel, and it would fill the tappet housing with lead in about 100 rounds. I sold that carbine.

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Back when I had the time, equipment and facilities for casting bullets, I did cast some for use in the carbine. I shot very few of them, for fear of fouling the gas port. Most carbines have the gas piston assembly staked in - I'd rather not fool with it in an attempt to unstake it and then re-stake it in order to clean out the gas passage. I found that for reloading, commercial jacketed round-nose soft point 90 grain bullets designed for the .30 Luger cartridge work quite well.

I saved a number of the cast bullet reloads for use in my Ruger .30 carbine old model Blackhawk, and they proved to be quite accurate with that launching pad.

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John;

My sentiments exactly, right down to using cast bullets for handloading for my dad's Ruger Blackhawk .30 Carbine.

I watched some other family members come to grief handloading cast bullets in the Carbine. Don't know their casting abilities or handloading habits, but results were uninspiring, both accuracy and function.

Yep, I agree. I took to reloading .30 carbine years ago so plenty of ammo is not a problem.

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Here are mine with a few cousins a Rock-Ola, National Postal Meter,Inland, Standard Products and a Winchester.

The is a great thread! I really like the M1 Carbine, it is a handy little rifle and really fun to shoot. I wish I owned one.