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Extractors
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Model39, I noticed that one of your Model 220s has an internal extractor and the other, an external extractor. Have you ever noticed a difference in functional reliability between the two?
A few years back, I bought a Model 220 Carry having the much-maligned internal extractor. Truth be told, after a few hundred (not thousands) rounds fired through that pistol, I did not experience one malfunction. But, when I picked up and held a Model 227 (basically, a Model 220 with a double-stack magazine) mat my lgs, I fell in love with the E2 grip; the same of which is on my SIG Model 226. I sold the Model 220 Carry and bought the Model 227 and have never looked back. It has also been proven to be 100% reliable with hundreds (not thousands, yet) rounds fired through it.
I went with the Model 227 over the Model 220 mostly because I much prefer the E2 grip (some people feel oppositely; everybody's different) over the "standard" one. The extra two rounds of .45 ACP cartridges is just icing on the cake for me.
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Both my Sig 220 45 slides have internal extractors. I have not experienced any trouble/malfunctions with them. The top Sig 220 pictured has a 22LR conversion on it and that slide has the external extractor. The conversion unit works flawlessly. Thanks for your interest.
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02-24-2017, 07:21 PM
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Those bullets look like SWCs. My son had a 220 and a 227 and they wouldn't feed 200 gr. SWCs. Did you do anything extra to get them to feed or was he just unlucky? The same load has always worked like a dream in my 1967 Colt. Larry
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I have been shooting the H&G #68 in bone stock SIG P220s for 35+ years now. I do not recall a single P220 that these did not function in.
If you bought gun show reloads there is not much you can do.
If you son hand-loads, did he try varying the COAL?
If you son hand-loads, is your son using an H&G #68 or some other SWC design?
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02-24-2017, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by colt_saa
I have been shooting the H&G #68 in bone stock SIG P220s for 35+ years now. I do not recall a single P220 that these did not function in.
If you bought gun show reloads there is not much you can do.
If you son hand-loads, did he try varying the COAL?
If you son hand-loads, is your son using an H&G #68 or some other SWC design?
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The bullet we are using is the Oregon Laser Cast 200 gr. SWC. Besides my 1967 Colt 1911A1 they also will work in his two 25-2s and my 1917 and 1937 with and without clips. That leads me too believe the crimp is the correct dia. The OAL is about .015 short of max. I have loaded some .030 short of max. and they still work in the Colt. Larry
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02-24-2017, 11:27 PM
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Best .45 auto ever made. I carried mine for 25 years as an FBI agent.
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SIGP220, please advise what round you used when workng at The I and did you experience any problems with the 8 vs 7 round mags? Many of my collegues at Miami-Dade Homicide carried that piece and were very satisified with its performance. Unfortunately my smallish hands could not manage the thumb reach to the decocker so I chose the Smith DAO 4586.
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02-25-2017, 11:08 PM
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My only P220. She's a keeper.
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02-26-2017, 10:26 PM
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My only p220 was the Browning BDA. But, more importantly, it got me started on Sigs. I was very impressed with it. Now I've got a couple 229's & 226's in both 9 & 40.
I have a few great shooting 45's, so about 10 years ag, I took the Browning BDA to a gun show and sold it. As I headed to the exit I ran into somebody else selling his BDA too. It was mint, box, even the shipping sleeve. So, for $25 more than I just sold mine for, I upgraded....figured it was just meant to be.
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02-28-2017, 12:21 AM
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Brian in Oregon:
I see you and others discussing older model p220's. Is there a rule of thumb for time periods that cover older vs newer models? I recently purchased a new in box 220c that was made in 2012. Had just been in the dealers show case for 4 1/2 years. Apparently the compact sao version was not very popular (I love the gun).
Lesau
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CustomChevyGuy, the P220 has undergone a lot of changes over the years.
The one in my post above is from 1986. It has the stamped sheetmetal slide (which was state of the art aircraft technology at the time). The breechblock is held in with a doubled roll pin. The muzzle area is electron beam welded in place. The older grip you liked is probably like mine.
The P220 slides today are made in the USA and are machined from a solid steel billet. They are stronger but weigh a bit more. Currently the grip is a one piece ergonomic grip, which is a love/hate affair, apparently. I like both the early and the later grips, but some hate the later grips. Right now it is the only plastic grip option on the P220, but two piece wood grips, and there are Hogue G10 grips available. Hogue is making most if not all of the wood and G10 grips for SIG.
P220 Nitron Full-Size
This is an example of the latest version with the one piece ergonomic grip.
As a generality, you should be able to put a two piece grip on a model that has a one piece grip. However, my P227 is early enough it lacks the screw holes in the frame and requires adapters. I don't know it the P220 always had screws or if the early one piece grip models lacked the screw holes. Take the magazine out and see if you see two screw holes on the frame on either side of the mag well.
You can see all of the current factory grip styles for the P220 here:
P220 | Sig Sauer
SIG has some plastic grips available:
Black Grip Set, Black Polymer, P220 SLIM FIT, 2-Piece | Parts
FDE Grip Set, Flat Dark Earth, P220 (As Used On Combat) | Parts
The above will fit later model SIGs with the slim mainspring housing. They WILL NOT fit an older SIG like mine with the larger mainspring housing.
Hogue has a plethora of grips for the P220:
Hogue Inc.
Edit: You mentioned a "standard rail" on one of the SIGs. You mean a slotted rail or was it just a smooth frame? The reason I ask is the first SIG rails we slotted but unlike a Picatinny the profile had a slight curve to it. This caused complaints and SIG now makes the slotted rail with a flat profile, more like a true Picatinny. |
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02-28-2017, 03:26 AM
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There have been a number of changes made to SIG P22X series over almost four decades, starting with the early "Dolphin Slide" version that Browning imported as the BDA.
This page lists and explains some of the various models of SIG, but does not really get into dates or changes:
http://remtek.com/arms/sig/model/220/220.htm
More basic P220 info:
SIG Sauer P220 - Wikipedia
This page explains date and proof codes:
SIG Sauer Proof Marks and Date Codes - Real Gun Reviews
This page explains the intricacies of where your SIG was made:
Is my "Made in Germany" (or West Germany) SIG Really German? - Real Gun Reviews
This is a registry someone started for serial numbers, date codes, importer, etc.:
Sig Sauer Classic P-Series - Serial Number List and associated manufacture/import years/information - Topic
P220 frame change:
http://sigtalk.com/sig-sauer-pistols...1993-p220.html
Somewhere around 2000 the slide changed from the stamped sheetmetal to milled stainless steel. This coincided with the slide changing from German to USA production. The early milled slides had an internal extractor and some had issues. The external extractor replaced them.
Over the years grips have changed as well.
There have been numerous minor cosmetic changes. Look at the cocking serrations on the slides over the years, and the top rear side of the slide over the serrations.
And there has been a plethora of different versions, compacts, SAS ("melted" anti-snag smoothing of slide corners for snag free carry), different triggers, different actions (DA/SA. SAO and DAK), finishes, grips, sights, frame material, etc.
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02-28-2017, 09:40 AM
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Not to hijack the thread...............
One of my 220's is an "Ernest Langdon Special model"; reverse two-tone, all steel with Nill grips...... still new in box.
Ran across it in a LGS...had spoken with Langdon on several occasions durning his Beretta days about the 92 Elite; he advised me to wait as a Elite II was coming... thought I'd use the Sig for IDPA...... but got sidetracked with kids and Soccer...... and then cataracts........so it remains new in box.
Any idea of what they are worth these days................????
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I've had only the best treatment from Sig!
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Same here.
In the last couple years, I've had CS experiences with Glock, S&W, and Sig. My experience with Sig was way, way better than Glock or S&W.
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