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Old 02-22-2017, 02:22 AM
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Default Sarsilmaz SR38, SAR38 L-frame clone?

I just handled a 4" blued one today. It seemed to be very, very well done. The only thing that didn't look 'straight' L-frame were the use of what appears to be a Millet style rear sight, and the odd cross-pinned front blade you see in the pictures. Action was even about par with a new MIM Smith.

Anyone have any real-world experience with one? I've always thought that a matte blue revoler that was parkerized would be damn sexy, but never come across a Smith beat-on hard enough to make it worthwhile to do.

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Old 06-01-2018, 09:47 AM
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I can see talking up Sarsilmaz on a Smith forum has it's challenges, but we'll only be seeing more of this Turkish manufacturer, so might try to get this topic back up and running. Bought a black SR38 (.38/.357) with 4" barrel in January after a favorable video review and low price by an importer. It is dimensionally almost identical to a 686 4", controls feel like a Smith, but everything was stiffer and harder to operate out of the box. After 200 rounds, it only started to loosen up. I give Sarsilmaz credit for tight tolerances, fit and good parkerized finish (so I don't worry over it much), smooth consistent DA action at 8lbs, clean breaking SA at 4lbs on my gun. Smith owners would be surprised at the SR38 trigger. They have figured something out to where you want to shoot this gun in DA all the time. Adjustable all black rear sight is a nice feature, but is an LPA clone itself, with proprietary mounting that looks like it is made to be interchanged with something Sarsilmaz is not currently importing. Front blade is flat black and a bit hard to see in certain lighting, but narrow enough for careful target work. Their rubberized finger groove grip is all their own, and should be marketed as an accessory by itself. Provides great control and ergonomics (if you like finger grooves, that is) and makes long sessions with .357 very manageable. Without having taken it all apart yet, it does seem like everything is very close, but not interchangeable with a Smith. That said, it would be very familiar and easy to get used to if all you owned were Smiths. Just be ready for that stiff operation out of the box. Only question for me is the durability of the "steel alloy" frame which makes a hammer fall sound like it's hitting aluminum, not steel. Functions and shoots fine, and beats most Taurus or Rossi revolvers I've shot. Not enough ammo testing yet to declare its best accuracy at 25 yds, but doing 2-3" right now when benched in both factory loads like Remington. Have used lead nosed and not seen any shaving or splash at the forcing cone or cylinder, so alignment may be very good. Feel accuracy will improve when I and the gun are broken in more. All in all, a very good value and definitely a clone. Will be taking it all apart as soon as I can and provide photos and a comparison to my other Smiths. Any other SR38 owners out there are welcome to beat me to it, so we can share notes.
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Old 06-03-2018, 03:08 PM
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Thanks for bumping this with some input. I've only seen the one example, and it sold fast enough that I would've thought the dealer would've brought more in. It definitely struck me as nicer than the Windicator, which seems to get some good reviews on its own.
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Far from being a new kid on the block, Sarsilmaz is a veteran firearms manufacturer. I've shot their military contract pistol, the SAR9, and liked it a lot, especially the price.

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I've shared posts in other forums with a few Sarsilmaz SR38 owners and experiences are variable, but not negative. Everyone is a fan of fit and finish and grips. Most all note the stiffer operation in cylinder open and close. Trigger pulls are reported from 11-8lbs in DA (but very consistent pull and break), with 4lbs in SA a common number. To not prejudice my first posting too much, I didn't mention that the SR38 I own now is my second example, after returning the first. I want to be fair in assessing something when it is functional, and not harp on the lemon of the bunch, but the first SR38 I received locked up at every 20-25 rounds because the cylinder to forcing cone gap was slightly out of true, and so close (.002 to .001") that just a little carbon or heat would stop rotation. I could have resorted to a gunsmith, but the Importer was great and replaced it no problem, and sent a new revolver within a week, after performing their own QC check at their shop. I've had no trouble with the second revolver, but then the cylinder gap on my replacement is now closer to (.004).

My only real issue with the SR38 in both my examples is the cylinder stop. With hammer fully back, it is not as tight as a Smith. For all the work they did fitting everything else, they left the cylinder stop tolerance looser than I like. I suspect it gives them room for error in mass production and timing. Can't complain for the price, but I can move the SR38 cylinder a bit too much. My 625 is rock solid, but my 1970s Model 14 has a very slight side to side play but shoots great, so I don't have enough examples to judge what is "good" or "bad" rotation tolerance. Perhaps others can say how much this is affecting accuracy. All I can say is bore to cylinder alignment appears good in normal rotation and in a range rod check. No lead shaving on the forcing cone either. I haven't asked this question of good (or bad) lockup to the other SR38 owners, so chip in if you have one and can comment.

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Looks like an L-frame after they modded it for The Lock, but this has no lock, thank goodness.

Will the rear sight screws remain tight and durable? Does the action wear-in and smooth up a bit, with a lighter trigger pull?

I was impressed that the guy in the video used Winchester 145 grain ST .357 ammo, one of my favorite .357 loads.

I'd prefer the polished stainless version, as with any other modern revolver, but this looks like a quality gun.

I don't get the reference to Turkey supporting terrorism. Turkey is a NATO nation.

Overall, this looks like a gun that I'd like to see given wider tests by known gun writers. Or, by Hickok .45 on video, although he drones on forever.

I think this gun is going to give Taurus fits and may increase their QC.
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1) ....the cylinder gap on my replacement is now closer to (.004).

2) ..... my 1970s Model 14 has a very slight side to side play .....

3).... All I can say is bore to cylinder alignment appears good in normal rotation and in a range rod check. No lead shaving on the forcing cone either.
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1-That's excellent
2- Perfectly normal
3- That's all one can ask for
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Some pics of my SR38 and first images of the internals. Lots of MIM parts in there, and notably rougher surfaces, but very similar. You experienced S&W gunsmiths and tinkerers can tell me what looks like a copy or a new concept. For starters, as other reviewers have noted already, SR38 frame takes an L frame aftermarket set of grips just fine. I also note that my spare Miculek re-contured main spring is the same length as the one in the grip frame picture. After a brief trial and error with the strain screw, should be a good first swapping experiment. Will keep taking pics and notes as I disassemble further and compare. Taking it slow. Thanks for all the input. Oh, and why disassemble you ask? Until Sarsilmaz starts selling parts, might be good to know what is interchangeable.
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The shape of the extractor is interesting!
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Looks as good as the current Smiths!
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Rear Sight correction: I stated earlier the rear sight is proprietary, but turns out, only from the outside. Remove the two screws holding the sight in the top strap and it reveals a recessed groove and rear U notch cut into the top strap very much like a late model Smith set up for adjustable sights. The pictured Sarsilmaz rear sight strangely does not hook into the rear notch found on Smith adjustable sights, but relies on the screws alone. Sure looks like it is set up to use a Smith standard adjustable rear. But... the recess channel cut in the Sarsilmaz top strap, is dimensionally .001 too narrow to take a Smith rear sight. So close. Aftermarket rear mounts designed for Smiths, also do not fit without, well...fitting. It's so close a non-fit, that I might give Sarsilmaz credit for too just tight a tolerance. Their own rear sight fits perfectly.

If you go so far to modify your replacement sight base, the screw holes for attaching a Smith rear sight strap are in the right place, though only in the two forward most positions, not three as normally found on a late model Smith. You would have to reuse the Sarsilmaz's screws to secure the mount, as it appears the threads are different (but don't quote me on that one. I just visually inspected, and hesitate to damage the threads trying out my "Smith" screws).

So, interchangeability with Smith parts? Only sort of, and only if you break out the sanding block and narrow up your standard Smith (and aftermarket) rear sight mounts. I might do it to get that scope rail or red dot to mount, but some may balk at having magnum recoil held back with only two screws. More investigating to do.
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Rear Sight correction: I stated earlier the rear sight is proprietary, but turns out, only from the outside. Remove the two screws holding the sight in the top strap and it reveals a recessed groove and rear U notch cut into the top strap very much like a late model Smith set up for adjustable sights. The pictured Sarsilmaz rear sight strangely does not hook into the rear notch found on Smith adjustable sights, but relies on the screws alone. Sure looks like it is set up to use a Smith standard adjustable rear. But... the recess channel cut in the Sarsilmaz top strap, is dimensionally .001 too narrow to take a Smith rear sight. So close. Aftermarket rear mounts designed for Smiths, also do not fit without, well...fitting. It's so close a non-fit, that I might give Sarsilmaz credit for too just tight a tolerance. Their own rear sight fits perfectly.

If you go so far to modify your replacement sight base, the screw holes for attaching a Smith rear sight strap are in the right place, though only in the two forward most positions, not three as normally found on a late model Smith. You would have to reuse the Sarsilmaz's screws to secure the mount, as it appears the threads are different (but don't quote me on that one. I just visually inspected, and hesitate to damage the threads trying out my "Smith" screws).

So, interchangeability with Smith parts? Only sort of, and only if you break out the sanding block and narrow up your standard Smith (and aftermarket) rear sight mounts. I might do it to get that scope rail or red dot to mount, but some may balk at having magnum recoil held back with only two screws. More investigating to do.
That looks like an LPA rear sight (or copy of one)


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What is the average price on these revolvers?
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