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>>FIXED!! Update in post 20.<< Mauser action..... I could use some help.
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Thanks to everybody for their help. I have ordered the part I need to fix his rifle for him.
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I could use some help with this rifle.
It belongs to my neighbor's grandson. His other grandfather was a gunsmith and built this rifle for him.
Sadly, his gunsmith grandfather just passed away a couple weeks ago. He's hurting and I think getting his rifle working correctly will help him some.
His grandpa was a good person and I'd like to get this rifle fixed as a final favor to him.
The gun:
I'm pretty sure it's a Mauser action. It is chambered in .308 Win.
The problem is that the ejector doesn't work. It looks like the ejector is maybe broken and isn't long enough to eject the case when the bolt is pulled back.
I don't have any experience with Mausers so I'm not sure which action it is.
I'd like to be able to help him get his rifle working correctly. If I figure out what it is, I hope to find the needed parts to fix the ejector.
Based on these pictures, can anybody help ID it?
Thanks for any help.
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It's a Czech (BRNO) Mauser 1898 action. BRNO is an arsenal. If a new ejector is needed, it shouldn't be too difficult to find one.
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I have two Custom rifles based on Mauser rifle actions and they are both excellent rifles.
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Czech mauser
BRNO is the factory in the city of BRNO.
They were also made in 7x57 and 7.65 Argentinian for export to S. America.
Is there a big "7.62" stamped on the receiver? If so it was shipped to Israel for during the war of independence
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Chech....... forerunner of the CZ..........sought after as shooters and collected by some.
Looking for something similar ...... check out the CZ lines of rifles... old world quality..... at a very reasonable price.......even have mannlicher style stocks ...... "FS"s
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A CZ BRNO VZ-24 action is basically a 98 Mauser action and a very well made one. I believe the 38 stamped next to the proof stamps is the date code for 1938. A new ejector in the ejector box should be pretty easy to come by. Call a nearby gunsmith and half a bet he has one kicking around in some junk box they all keep under the bench.
If not here you go.
Bolt Stop, Ejector & Cover Assembly w/ Screw Gun Parts | 5830B | Numrich Gun Parts
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Think you are probably right on the 38... my CZ have a two number year stamp on the barrel.
But; was there a .308 prior to 1950??????
Notice a ground flat on the barrel just in front of the action.
"Gunsmith Grandfather" makes me think custom build on a pre-war receiver??
making it not just a deer rifle but IMHO a ''family heirloom"
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Think you are probably right on the 38... my CZ have a two number year stamp on the barrel.
But; was there a .308 prior to 1950??????
Notice a ground flat on the barrel just in front of the action.
"Gunsmith Grandfather" makes me think custom build on a pre-war receiver??
making it not just a deer rifle but IMHO a ''family heirloom"
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The only "original" 308 I can think of is when the Israelis converted them
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VZ 24 Czech Mauser made in Brno... most likely a pre-invasion model as stated earlier... manufactured for export... probably Romania... it is based on the German K98 Mauser design... most probably originally chambered in 8mm Mauser... I am not a gunsmith, but assume on what I have read not everything is interchangeable... I have a 1938 VZ24 but not a K98 to compare it to... great shooter... good luck
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As stated, Czech Model 1924 military rifle that either went to Israel where it was converted to 7.62 NATO, or was butchered and fitted with a commercial .308 barrel in the US.
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I swapped out the barrel in my 98k German 8 mm rifle and installed a cz 98 8mm barrel. The headspace was dead on. This tells me there manufactured on the same German machines. I purchased the excellent condition cz barrel from numrich for $37. The sewer pipe German 98k complete rifle cost me $20. Refinished the stock, used the cz handguard, scoped and I'm under $150. Not bad for a 8mm hunting Mauser.
There was a recent import of these in 7mm Mauser.
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I have not handled a ZV 24 in years so this is just based on Mausers in general. Most military Mauser barrels reduce diameter in steps. That's less expensive than cutting a taper. My first thought after reading a gunsmith grandfather assembled a .308 on a military action was that he rebarreled it. What leads any of you to believe that is a military barrel?
Swapping ejectors should be easy for a home tinkerer. However, first I have to ask if you are pulling the bolt back smartly so that the motion ends with a clack or clang. Moving each empty from the action back to the cartridge box ingrains short stroking bolt actions in a very high percentage of hobbyists. No offence is intended. The most knowledgeable reloaders tend to acquire that bad habit.
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I have not handled a ZV 24 in years so this is just based on Mausers in general. Most military Mauser barrels reduce diameter in steps. That's less expensive than cutting a taper. My first thought after reading a gunsmith grandfather assembled a .308 on a military action was that he rebarreled it. What leads any of you to believe that is a military barrel?
Swapping ejectors should be easy for a home tinkerer. However, first I have to ask if you are pulling the bolt back smartly so that the motion ends with a clack or clang. Moving each empty from the action back to the cartridge box ingrains short stroking bolt actions in a very high percentage of hobbyists. No offence is intended. The most knowledgeable reloaders tend to acquire that bad habit.
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Not so much a matter of cutting in steps being less expensive than cutting a taper. The stepped barrels used in Mauser pattern rifles were precisely engineered to deal with barrel vibrations via the stepped contours. Similar stepped contours are seen on field artillery pieces.
Precision was the byword of that era, not economy in manufacture.
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If there isn't a thumb safety on the right side of the tang to take the place of the missing bolt shroud safety, you can get a 'low-scope safety' to install in the original safety's position.
1938 proofed Czeck Vz-24 Mauser 98 action. After market sporter (?) bbl looks like it had a caliber marking or some other marking on the left side up close to the recv'r. That was removed by filing it flat and I'd guess 'xxxx WIN' was stamped there as I can see the remnants of the WIN. Then that was scrubbed as well for whatever reason with maybe a Dremel.
Good strong desireable action. Clip guides ground down for the one piece scope mount base, not that it matters. Looks like the Czeck Lion logo is still there under the mount base on the front ring.
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Thanks to everybody for helping me identify this rifle.
I truly appreciate it.
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These were famous for being used to build custom rifles.
Here's my 25-06 built on a Mauser action.
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That's beautiful walnut fyimo!
Maybe after seeing it LVSteve will reconsider describing sporterized military actions as "butchered." It was only about 15 years ago when Big 5 Sporting Goods was selling original VZ 24s for $60. Freighter loads of them were imported. There are plenty of them left for collectors. One of these days I'm going to have another sporter built just to spice up life a little.
By the way fyimo, I would have chosen 6.5-06.
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I do like custom rifles built on Mauser 98 type action. It would be hard to say an old Hoffman Arms or Griffin & Howe built on military Mauser action or a Rigby built on a commercial or surplus Mauser action are anything but works of beauty. (and well beyond my income level)
I did double check the Mauser actioned guns in my safe. I didn't get out a mic or try swapping ejector boxes but they all look identical.
Here is my BRNO but it is built on a Vz-21 commercial Mauser 98 type action.
I like the old Mauser action I just bought this Zastava M70 commercial Mauser for my grandsons 15th birthday.
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Try gunparts, or springfield sporters for a replacement ejector. Should be cheap and usually you don't hear of them breaking. Any ejector for the 98 mauser should just swap out with a replacement. Frank
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A big thank you to everybody for your help!
The new ejector assembly came in the mail the other day. This afternoon we installed it in his rifle.
He asked me how much he owed me and I told him it was a gift, and a favor to his departed grandpa. He thanked me with as much emotion as an 18 year old boy can muster, and I know he had to choke back a couple tears.
Thanks again.
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Butchered, is pretty coarse language to use on custom 98s. I
have seen 100s of beautiful custom rifles built on 98s. It's kinda
like the difference between art and porn. I have seen butchered
military rifles, and the OPs rifle is not one of them. A issue military rifle has very little use other than collectors. From WW2
the only rifles worth putting money in to build Custom Sporters
were 98s and Springfields and the odd P-17 Enfield. Any other
rifles of the period were just hacksawed off all the extra wood
and metal. I have seen a lot of Jap Arisakas that were made into
Bull barrel Varmit guns. They were never what I consider a work
of art.
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DRM50,
You are forgetting Siamese sort of 1898ish Mausers rebarreled to .45-70 Sporters and Pattern 14 Enfields rebarreled for various rimmed magnum cartridges. Incidentally, I owned an early Arisaka that was very attractively sporterized including rebarreling to .300 Savage. It was reworked before the invasion of .308 Winchesters.
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Here's my other Custom Mauser in 30-06
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