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For the longest time, I had decided to buy a S&W model 627. As I saved my money, however, I considered the huge price tag on the 627 and decided to buy a different gun. I wanted a good stopping round like the .357 mag but I wanted less recoil. That lead to a decision to buy a brand new Gen 4 Glock 21. This is a softer shooting .45 and it
delivers 230 grains of lead. I saved hundreds of dollars and am a happy camper.


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For the longest time, I had decided to buy a S&W model 627. As I saved my money, however, I considered the huge price tag on the 627 and decided to buy a different gun. I wanted a good stopping round like the .357 mag but I wanted less recoil. That lead to a decision to buy a brand new Gen 4 Glock 21. This is a softer shooting .45 and it
delivers 230 grains of lead. I saved hundreds of dollars and am a happy camper.


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There is a plastic gun support group standing by to meet your needs. The 627 is priced more for a reason. Remember you get what you pay for.
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Could have saved even more money by buying a High Point.
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OK, I'll bite.
I like some of the plastic guns and they have their place. I even own a few of them. But to compare a Glock, which I think is a fine weapon, to a classic revolver is way off of the beam IMO.
And a .45 ACP anything will never be as versatile as a .357 magnum, again IMO
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Congrats on your new .45! I like the Glock 21 - its is a big but easy to shoot gun that should last you forever.
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I buy very few new revolvers because of cost, but I have been super lucky finding nice used revolvers at right around the cost of a new Glock. Let's hope cbhsgh sees a good deal sometime. How many of us bought our first revolver as an impulse sparked by a good price?
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I appreciate the sentiments expressed by all you revolver guys because the S&W 627 is a beautiful piece of work. I am not saying the Glock 21 is a better weapon, I'm just saying that for me, the Glock quality is sufficient and I saved a bunch of money. Having said that I might add that I may eventually break down and get a S&W anyway.


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What a revolting development. At least the Glock is an excellent example of Tupperware firepower. I've never handled a Glock I didn't thoroughly enjoy.

Tomorrow I will take my revolvers to the range for a friend to have hands on experience. He's getting the itch for one. He said he just needs to stop buying 1911s to have $$$ for a revolver.

Hmmm. 1911. The 45ACP that tops all Tupperware 45s.
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Should have got a G20 or the long slide model. 10 mm > 357.
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I own and shoot two different Glock models, a 17 in 9mm, and a 21SF in .45 ACP.
Both are Gen-3.

My experience with them is very positive. Both are quite accurate and have been 100% reliable.

Of course, these are completely different firearms compared to a S&W revolver.

However, if a 627 was out of your current financial reach and you wanted a self-defense weapon, it is hard to beat a Glock 21 in my opinion.

There will be S&W revolvers out there when you're ready.
Congrats on your purchase, I think you'll enjoy shooting it.
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Oh, one more thing. You'll want to buy a Maglula magazine loader for your Glock double-stack mags (trust me on this).

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Oh, one more thing. You'll want to buy a Maglula magazine loader for your Glock double-stack mags (trust me on this).



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I have an uplula for my G17 and it handles both .45 ACP and 9mm. You are right. It is an essential part of my shooting goodies.


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Put the money you saved in the bank........aaaaaaaaand it's gone! Seriously. I own and carry plastic and art. Depends on the situation. What I find is, and this is not a joke, I put the first round of a revolver dead on target 99% of the time. Not so with the plastic guns. Don't know why. Not going to burn a bunch of brain cells trying to figure it out. They just lay down and point better. You will own that revolver some day.
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Nothing wrong with getting a Glock, but in my thinking, this comes down to a choice between a semi-auto pistol and a revolver. You went with the semi-auto, and that's fine. I have plenty of both.

You could have looked at a 686 for about $700 new, or there are plenty of Ruger revolvers in the pricing vicinity of the Glock. Maybe next time..
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Nothing wrong with a Glock. Glocks in .45 are noted for being unusually accurate. The argument regarding .45 vs .357 as an all-rounder is for another thread, but I would point out that with your Glock, the capability of handling +P loads well does narrow the gap. The frame is a little big for my spoiled G-17L accustomed hand, but if it fits you, that's all that matters.
I have a revolver, too. It uses paper cartridges or loose powder and ball in case those new-fangled brass thingies don't catch on.
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A guy buys a Chevy Luv and goes to the Dodge diesel forum and tells everyone all about it. OK

The S&W Standard catalog a reference for collectors is on its 4th addition and is 526 pages long.

There is no Glock collectors book and it will be a loooooooooog time before there is.

Why is that?
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The S&W Standard catalog a reference for collectors is on its 4th addition and is 526 pages long.

There is no Glock collectors book and it will be a loooooooooog time before there is.

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I've long believed, once all a man's financial obligations are paid first, whatever he has left, it's his money and he can spend his own money foolishly any way he want to.

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I understand making smart financial decisions and there is nothing terribly wrong with a Glock. We all need something to throw in the truck and not worry about. Remember, a timex and a rolex both tell time but they are a different price for a reason.

Never heard of grandpa passing down his glock...
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I have several Glocks in calibers from 380 to 10mm with two in 45 (G30 and G36). They are good and the caliber is good for some purposes, but it's hard to beat the versatility of the 357 magnum revolver.

I have two rules for purchases: Save until you can get the best and never compromise.

I have just purchased a 686+ Pro, a 627 Pro, and a 929 Performance Center. I looked at my revolver line up and saw it filled with 22LR and 44mags with only one 357 (Python). Needed some shooters.

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So, you were going to have aged filet mignon but went for the Vienna Sausage instead???...Well, the can of Vienna Sausages will fill one up as much as the filet. The point of crowing about choosing a plastic bottom feeder vs a S&W N Frame in a forum dedicated to S&W revolvers is?...Its a gag, right?
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Glocks aren't bad guns, but I'm still trying to figure out why you posted it here in the S&W 1980 and up Revolver section instead of the "Other Makes" forum section where it belongs. After all, it's not a Smith nor is it a revolver.
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Get a 9x25 Dillon barrel for your G21 and you'll never miss the 357mag.
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I currently carry a revolver more often than not, but think you made a good decision in terms of picking the most practical weapon between these two choices.
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Coonan's marketing motto is, "If you're looking for your first handgun, this ain't it!!!"

A 627 is somewhat in the same boat. There are more practical and cheaper handguns out there. Just like a Toyota Camry is cheaper than a Corvette.

It's softer shooting because it's less powerful and the recoil spring stretches out the recoil impulse a bit.

The best way to determine your desire to own one is to ask the hypothetical, "If you were to receive one as a gift and couldn't ever sell it, which one would you want?" I've owned a G21 and it's a bit too fat for me. Much rather have the 627 with some better grips.
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It's not worth buying cheap but the quality's got to be there to make it worth it and there's over priced **** out there.
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The funny thing is that the glock is more expensive than other polymer guns, yet many of the others have it beat. A Walther is very similar to a glock, except with changable grips and a superior trigger and cheaper if you wait for a sale. The S&W has it beat by $80, and it is equal to a glock in everything but the trigger. You can get an HK(!) cheaper, although I think not in 45acp. I'd go with a .40 though if I were looking to equal the 357 round.

If you're going to go for a $550 pistol, why not its better at $500, or it's equal at $470?
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The Glock is a G I Joe doll. There's all kinds of stuff for it, more so I believe than any other pistols.

For my G29 I have an extended 10mm, 9x25 Dillon and 40sw barrels. 3 ten round G29 mags and 3 fifteen round G20 mags. I did nothing to the trigger or anything else, it's fine as it is.
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For the longest time, I had decided to buy a S&W model 627. As I saved my money, however, I considered the huge price tag on the 627 and decided to buy a different gun. I wanted a good stopping round like the .357 mag but I wanted less recoil. That lead to a decision to buy a brand new Gen 4 Glock 21. This is a softer shooting .45 and it
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I'm a Smith guy and a revolver man, but I've owned Glocks and liked them. If that's what you wanted and you're happy with it, I'm happy for you.

You must be feeling a bit "rode hard and put up wet" after all this.
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This is an interesting thread! Normally I get flak for "collecting" guns that are too expensive, namely my Korth revolvers, and am automatically reduced to a non-shooting collector with nothing but deep pockets. Here we have the opposite - and despite the fact that we are on the S&W Forum here - the OP (cbhsgh), gets bashed for a personal decision.

As people we are a sum of our life-long experience; I lived, went to school, and worked in five different countries, of which one was extremely unsafe. In a hard lesson I learnt to ditch my beloved S&W 64 with +P++ reloads and carried a Glock.

Each and any of my fancy range guns would go, before I would let go of my self defence gun; a Glock.




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I did a bit of the bashing. There is nothing at all wrong with a Glock as a self defense weapon and it has a lot to recommend it for that role.

But comparing it to a S&W is a bit of apples and oranges and the only reference to self defense made by OP was "I wanted a good stopping round like the .357 mag but I wanted less recoil"

Part of the bashing came from originally posting in the S&W revolver section. If I hurt any feeling I hope they heal and develop into calluses.

I personally will continue to carry revolver. Why, especially in light of the fact that I think rounds like the 45 acp (and 44 spec) are the top of heap for self defense? Because I have shot way more rounds out of a revolver and will continue to do so. Operating a revolver is now second nature to me. Simple dependable. The chances I will ever be in a situation where I need a high round count are winning the big lotto low.

If I was a young LEO I might well look at it way different.
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I guess I will wade into this. I am personally a fan of Smiths and 1911s, with a mission specific Mauser HSc. In one respect, I think that many here missed a wise move on the OP's part. In many respects, if I HAD to use a sidearm in self defense, I would rather lose a piece of Tupperware than one of my prized sidearms.

Working as a range safety officer last week at my club's GSSF match helped to bring me back to reality, though. Of the about 100 or so shooters that passed through my station, few shooters could clear the plates in much under 10 seconds with just 6 shots. That got me thinking. About 25 years ago, I belonged to a club that had a Wednesday night fun night, where one night was PPC, another bullseye, another plates, and another bowling pins. On the plates and pins, I was able to regularly clean the table using my K38s or my 27 (fired SA) with never more than 6 shots in under 10 seconds. Many people used Glock 17Ls with a reload to clear the 5 plates or pins. I am of the belief that I can do well with my wheelguns.

At that time, ages ago, I was given the opportunity to try a 17L. It just didn't fit my hand well, and I wasn't able to hit consistently with it. At that time, I realized, to each his own.

Personally, I hope that I never have to use one of my prized sidearms in self defense, because I can't bring myself to accept losing one if I have to defend myself. In this instance, for me, that is the only reason that I would consider Tupperware.
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I understand making smart financial decisions and there is nothing terribly wrong with a Glock. We all need something to throw in the truck and not worry about. Remember, a timex and a rolex both tell time but they are a different price for a reason.

Never heard of grandpa passing down his glock...
At 60 years old I have spent a lot of my money on fine guns, good whiskey and women. The rest I just wasted.

Most of us on the board have some less expensive guns for various reasons, but we truly enjoy the classic, quality revolvers.
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At 60 years old I have spent a lot of my money on fine guns, good whiskey and women. The rest I just wasted.



Most of us on the board have some less expensive guns for various reasons, but we truly enjoy the classic, quality revolvers.


I am the originator of this post and I have enjoyed reading the responses to my Glock 21 purchase. I never implied that semi-autos were better than revolvers, and I certainly never said Glocks were higher quality than a S&W. I only said I bought the G21 to save a little money and to have a little less recoil than a .357. I fully plan on eventually buying that S&W 627 so I have a .357. I used to have a Dan Wesson .357 with a six inch barrel and I loved it. I am 71 years old and this gun collecting is what keeps me happy. Sorry for all the turmoil I caused by posting this on a S&W revolver forum, but I am planning on buying that S&W revolver. It's a real piece of work.


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****Just found out that the G**** group is also considered a Sanctuary Forum for Millennials in particular, and provides an online safe space for its members as well as counselors standing by 24/7/365 to get you through those regretful moments of deciding to purchase any firearm other than S&W. I just visited it as a guest and found it a homey yet some what 'plastic' experience. Just messing with you cbhsgh. My LEO bride carries one too, but not by choice. There is still time for you, hopefully.****
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Most of us would have kept on for the S&W 627, but there is nothing wrong with a Glock.
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...Sorry for all the turmoil I caused by posting this on a S&W revolver forum, but I am planning on buying that S&W revolver... .
You didn't cause the turmoil. And you aren't on a Smith revolver forum, you're on a sub-forum specifically for guns and knives of other brands. Exactly where your post should have gone. I think some folks forgot that.

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It's the difference between buying a car to get to work or buying a ragtop or a muscle car. The first example is a GLOCK. But I get it and own a couple of GLOCKS for work too.
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