The Civilian Marksmanship Program has received word that the Philippine government could be shipping 86,000 M1 Garand rifles back to the United States for distribution to American civilian shooters. This would be one of the largest shipments of M1 Garand rifles back to the US in recent years.

I've purchased half a dozen M1 rifles, a couple of M1903's, and a half dozen M44US training rifles through the CMP and have never been disappointed.

This is good news for those who have not yet been able to acquire one of the "finest battle implements ever devised" according to General Patton.

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That is awesome!

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That's great news. If they are WW II leftovers that adds big time to their history. I got a really nice one from CMP years ago but it was made in 1955.

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Great news! Please let us know when it happens.

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Details? Hasn't the problem been in getting import approval from the State Department? Has that situation changed yet?

This is truly good news, and I trust the US Government won't be doing anything now to block these Garands from coming back home.

I got my own M1 -- made in the spring of 1945 at Springfield Armory -- many years ago from what was then the Director of Civilian Marksmanship. I had to go to Fort Meade, Maryland, for training -- which included shooting -- before I could qualify to buy it. I also had to be fingerprinted, and then wait more than a year before it was delivered.

If memory serves me, I paid $200 or $250 for it.

Unfortunately, this information does not come from the CMP, itself, but from a website called The Firearm Blog.

Quoting from their website:

"BREAKING: Civilian Marksmanship Program May Receive 86,000 M1 Garand Rifles from the Phillipines"

And:

"The Civilian Marksmanship Program has received word that the Philippine government could be shipping 86,000 M1 Garand rifles back to the United States for distribution to American civilian shooters."

And:

"Mark Johnson, Chief Operating Officer of the CMP, commented on the possible upcoming delivery to The Firearm Blog: 'There are 86,000 or so M1s hopefully coming back to the Army. We hope to see them in the future'"

The italics in the above quotations are mine. So far, it's just speculation about the Garands.

The CMP has a mailing list for people interested in CMP news and updates. I'm on it. I've received no word at all about Garands, and the CMP is really good about keeping their members up to date on stuff.

Plus, even if it does happen, it won't be like the CMP gets the rifles in on a Monday and then starts selling them the next week. All of 'em will have to be inspected, cleaned, possibly repaired, and then graded so the CMP can determine how to price them. That's a lot of time consuming work. They might get the rifles in and not sell a one of them until 2018.

It'll be great if this actually happens, but don't get your hopes up yet.

Watchdog's Tip of the Day: Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

You are correct. And no, the situation has not changed.

The only way CMP can get these rifles is if they are US property lent to the Philippines. If these rifles were sold to the Philippines, CPM cannot receive and resell these guns. They are not chartered with the Federal Government for that. The Federal Government does not require permission from itself in order to take possession of it's own property.

I think the problem here is confusing what the situation is with the Phillippino M1's with that of the M1's which are owned by the Republic of South Korea. In that instance, a private importer would both have to strike a deal with South Korea to purchase the rifles and also get the necessary sign-offs from the Feds in order to import them for sale here. The CMP would never see any South Korean M1's as their deal with the Feds does not allow for that type of operation.

Bruce

It would be nice. My 1943 M-1 is a pretty lonely guy.

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And I gripe cleaning a few guns after a range session! Can you imagine cleaning 86,000! I don't know what kind of staff the CMP has, but spending just 10 minutes a rifle is 14,333 hours. In 40 hour work weeks that's 358 weeks or almost 7 years of gun cleaning for one man with no vacations working 40 hours a week!

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But for some folks like me who have time available - wouldn't it be fun to spend a week or so there as a volunteer cleaning rifles? I'd do it in a heartbeat! I don't own a Garand, but it sure would be cool to be a part of bringing a bunch back. And I'd bet I'd learn a TON TON TON about them.

OR

I would volunteer in a New York minute. But I am afraid it would take me more than 10 minutes a rifle! I am old, but compensate by being slow.

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Last I knew the CMP does take volunteers.
My brother spent a week there several years ago. You may wish to check into the opportunity.

Here's mine from the CMP years ago.

It's an April 1944 Springfield that was sent to Denmark at some point. It has been "rebuilt" at least once and carries a VAR barrel and a couple of BM59 wood parts. I also have a Danish bayonet for it..

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I'll believe it when I see it.

May, could, and hopefully leaves a lot of room for nothing to happen.

Who writes this garbage?

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I hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling they will be well used and overpriced

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Hard to say about the usage. Some may have been for parade use only. They love parades over there. Or maybe only for firing squads. They like those, too. Others may have been dragged through the mountains and jungle mud for years. The Phillipines aren't the best environment for firearms...they won't be museum pieces, that's for sure.

Overpriced? When you get into the collectors' markets it's hard to say what's overpriced. Especially for people who collect and shoot militaria. You get into that whole it's-worth-what-someone-will-pay-for-it mindset. I'd say the CMP prices their stuff fairly...much more realistically than sellers on online auction and sale sites.

All this is just "what if" thinking, anyway.

I bet some the hardest and most frequent use was seen guarding Imelda Marcos while shoe shopping!

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Including that...

I guess this means you don't believe I'm a famous French model, either, do you?

During the mid 60s and early 70s I got 3 garands,2 were WWII Springfields while the 3rd was a 195? NM, from the DCM plus the gun clubs I belonged to at the time each had a rack full of loaned M1s.The clubs also got good allotments of 30-06 ammo.

As prior military and then active police officer I received them quickly.

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Back in the late 1960s, I was the "Armorer" of the local gun club. We had eight M1s and eight M1911A1s on loan from DCM, and I kept all of them at home. Also about 10K rounds of .30-'06 ammo, all WWII armor piercing (I still have several boxes of that). Unfortunately, before I took over the club members apparently never cleaned the M1s after firing all that corrosive ammo, and all the bores were in the proverbial "sewer pipe" condition, and there was nothing I could do about that. DCM recalled all of the .45s after GCA-1968 took effect, and I had to send them back. They were a pretty sorry lot that seen a lot of service.

It sounds good. I'd love to see it happen. But even if CMP got them tomorrow, it would still be a couple of years before they went on sale.
The story also kinda rings of the 1911s CMP is supposed to get. That still hasn't happen yet either.

Until you see an official announcement from CMP, its just a rumor.
Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

The difference here is that the information about the CMP 1911s/1911A1s is true.

Authorization has been given to release pistols to the CMP, although no time frame has been specified. The CMP has sent out updates verifying that they'll receive the pistols, but no further information is available. The CMP will keep us updated as they know more.

The "breaking news" about the Phillipine Garands is just another Internet rumor so far.

Hope springs eternal.

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Skeptic.

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Bone-Joor.....

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I wonder what General Patton would have said about the M-14 and then the M-16......

Having an M1A in my "arsenal" dilutes my craving for an M-1 but I understand the excitement if that many hit our shores. Cool rumor; I hope it pans out for everyone.

I remember Colonel Coopers page in the back of Guns and Ammo were he recalled a story of a Filipino Police officer took out 13 communist terrorist with 2 clips before he was taken to Valhalla.

I hope its true.

Not too long ago there was an influx of returns from Greece. There were a lot less of the them, but you could still get a serviceable Garand for about $285. I got one for my youngest, and it turned out to be a very nice HRA.

Maybe these, if they exist, will also be reasonably priced.

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During one of my Talladega trips, I stopped at the DCM as it is in the town I stay in. There were a number of people who were there cleaning the Greek guns and the payment they received was a rifle if I remember correctly. This was probably 10 years ago, so I don't know what the current policy is.

Let's hope they have several million rounds of surplus ammo too.

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