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Old 11-09-2018, 04:29 PM
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Got bored so I picked up this FEG PJK-9HP from a local pawn shop for $299. I had looked at it yesterday and decided to pass, then looked at it again today and the bluing was a little better than I remembered and figured I could live with the ugly spots. From some pics of the FEGs I'd seen on line, what I though was pitting may or not be pitting as we normally think of it, but could be just something in the forging from the factory, and would have been present even when brand new.

A different shop had a FM (Argentine) HP clone in better shape but with that sort of rough black finish they typically come with (at least the later models) and the deletion of the scallops on the front of the slide, which make it less Hi Power-ish. It also had serrations running the length of the top of the slide and a particularly squishy thumb safety without any detectable snick. That and the fact that it would have cost me anywhere from $50-100 more than the FEG caused me to pick the FEG.

Visually, this model FEG is just closer visually to the original Browning than the FM (compare 2nd pic to 3rd pic below).

Anyway, tonight's project will be giving it a good cleaning and touch up best I can.

Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.
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A Hi-Power you can throw into the tackle box, with no worries...

Gotta like that!

And if you've never shot an FEG HP, you're going to be pleased. They shoot as good as an FN.

And, I'd have picked the FEG over the FM.

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I've been looking in local shops for an FEG. Browning's have been going up since the announcement that they would be discontinued. I just want a range pistol, not a collectors model. If I were to spend $1200, it would be on a S&W.
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I had three different FEGs and while they were just fine I had an opportunity to use them as trade fodder as their prices rose and I was able to find HPs for good prices.

I am still on the hunt for one more FEG: the one with the vent rib down the top of the slide. I don't really need another HP-type, but I think they look cool and would like to have one in the safe. (Damn, my kids are gonna just love my collection...!)
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Saw what appeared to be a NIB FM at the last gun show for $599. Had it been $400 I would have bought it. I have no idea about the relative merits of an FM vs. a FEG, but would like to have either one. I can't swing a Browning, given that I am now having to replace both my gas furnace and my air conditioning. In all my years on earth, I have never owned a Browning HP, but about everything else.

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I hope it cleans up better than it looks as if it will. But it'll probably function okay, unless the extractor is rusted in place.

I had a real Browning with an extractor fitted too tightly. It probably couldn't pivot slightly or whatever it's supposed to do, and I got some failures to extract. Two other Brownings and two used by my son have worked well and been accurate. He had a MK III as a security contractor in Iraq and it was used productively in several engagements with the enemy. He said that the jihadi evidently hadn't read that 9mm hardball is ineffective. Placed well, it killed quickly. And he's an excellent handgun shot.

I had on loan an Argie FM made before they changed the slide to more of a Colt profile. The finish was typical military gray, but it worked and it was pretty accurate, close to what I've gotten from real FN products.

I had a Browning grab my parka sleeve between slide and the grip tang. It was stuck pretty well and I had to remove the coat and work hard to free the gun. In a fight, I'd have probably been killed due to that incident. I never again carried a Browning Hi-Power in harm's way. The Colt .45 seemed more reliable and I trust its cartridge more at close range against human targets. And the Colt can be had in stainless, a real advantage for a real world gun.

I also favor the CZ-75B and the Beretta M-9/M-92FS over the Browning. More reliable and has a DA feature.

For the money likely spent, I'd prefer an FEG or FM to a Star 9mm. If the gun checks out okay at the range, it'll probably defend you well, if you don't mind carrying a gun that's an eyesore.

I'd use Plus P ammo sparingly. The Browning sometimes cracks slides if a lot of high pressure ammo is fired. The MK III version is stronger, but I don't think the FEG is that form.

To put this in perspective, most of the cracked slides were in the hands of special ops troops who fire enormous amounts of ammo. And much of that was the very hot Radway Green Arsenal British ammo for SMG's. The Venezuelan government has also supposedly loaded some very warm 9mm ammo. Most civilians won't see this ammo or fire nearly as much of anything.

I rely on Speer Gold Dot or Federal 124 grain HST Plus P ammo in 9mm and don't think it'll damage a Hi-Power if shot in reasonable amounts. This isn't "range ammo". It's for protection, not for shooting paper and cans. So you probably won't fire a huge amount of it. Federal's No. 9BP load is std. pressure, a 115 grain JHP. And it has a good street rep.

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Here in the UK I just seen a Walther PP in 32ACP with "RO" stamped on it. Anyone know what that means?
as a BTW I already own a PP IN 32ACP with "RFV" stamped on it...
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Yeah, don't let it get ya down man.
Some people can't appreciate the benefits that poor cosmetics impart to a good solid shooter. The biggest one being that they are priced low enough that you can afford to buy two for the price of one safe queen - and usually still have enough left over to buy a pile of ammo. Not that you'd shoot the ammo through the safe queen even if you had it

Me, I really LOVE me some finish-challenged shooters at bargain prices. I just got a shooter-grade FEG HP myself for just about exactly what you paid for yours - $300 delivered to my FFL. Yours is a bit prettier than mine though. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but based on everything I've heard about them, I'm looking forward to it
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The P35/Hi-Power is my favorite platform, due to the fact that the only time I ever had to produce a weapon in self-defense it was a Browning Hi-Power that I had on me. I didn't need to fire a shot, but with three attackers it was comforting to have 14 rounds of Super-Vel on board. (give you any clue as to when this was?)

Sadly, I sold that pistol to pay for a semester of grad school back in the 1980's. I kick myself whenever I think of that.

I have scratched my Hi-Power itch with an Israeli surplus FN MkIII, an FEG, and a stainless Tisas Regent BR9. All three have had modifications, with the Tisas getting all of its guts replaced. Both the FN and the Tisas have been converted to the SFS, but the FEG still has a stock firing system. All three are a pleasure to shoot.

I would suggest that you change out all springs and possibly the extractor. It might be best to have a spare extractor pin and sear lever pin on hand since these can be easily damaged while changing out the extractor spring. BHSS is the place to get these parts.
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I would have bought that thing all day long. I shoot everything I own. As long as the bore isn't bad and the thing isn't completely trashed and pitted I totally approve of your Hungarian purchase. I have been looking for one just like it locally but all I can find are the newer FEG's that are like a cross between a Hi-Power and a S&W 59. One pawn shop had 1, another had 2, but they are DA/SA and I just want a plain old early SA. Clean it up, tinker with it, and enjoy your pistol.
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It's not within my power to make this thing look any better than this. Not even sure if you can tell the after pic from the before pics, but it's definitely cleaner and a little brighter. It's really a shame because the bluing is still nice, except of course for the ugly spots. Just a little care over the years and this would be a fine pistol. Now it's just ok.

A question for the best & brightest: It's really hard to rack the slide on this thing with the hammer down. Hard enough that I find I'm getting a bit of purchase on the rear sight just to make it go back. But with the hammer cocked, no problem. Magazine in or out doesn't seem to make a difference. Any thoughts on this?
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It's not within my power to make this thing look any better than this. Not even sure if you can tell the after pic from the before pics, but it's definitely cleaner and a little brighter. It's really a shame because the bluing is still nice, except of course for the ugly spots. Just a little care over the years and this would be a fine pistol. Now it's just ok.

A question for the best & brightest: It's really hard to rack the slide on this thing with the hammer down. Hard enough that I find I'm getting a bit of purchase on the rear sight just to make it go back. But with the hammer cocked, no problem. Magazine in or out doesn't seem to make a difference. Any thoughts on this?

Well, it looks better here, to me, than it did. I hope that cheers you up. I don't see the rust or freckling, possible pits, that were in the first photos.

The phenomenon of auto pistol slides being easier to rack with the hammer cocked is common, with many brands. I think cocking the hammer must lower tension on the springs.

Someone more mechanically inclined can probably explain why this is.

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I wasn't really familiar with the FEG Hi-Power clone until we stumbled over one in Missoula Montana last June.... However, my son knew what it was and started slobbering over it... him being a somewhat poor college student, I felt like Dad should step up for him...
So $235 OTD got it....and it was a beautiful pistol...pretty much flawless with a great bluing finish... couldn't believe the price...
So out came the cash...
Of course, we had to add a nice S&W model 15 to the deal too...
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What you have is a FEG P9. They were a very faithful copy of the pre-Mk II FN Hi Power and have 100% parts compatibility with their FN made counterparts.

The later 1st generation P9M had a 1911 style slide release, larger 3 dot sights and an extended safety. With the exception of these parts and the slide release cut in the slide they also have 100% parts compatibility with their FN made counterparts.

FEG 1st Gen P9M. Note the lack of a half moon slide release lever and the extended safety:




The 2nd Gen P9M looks like a Hi Power but it isn't. It uses a S&W locking system and you can tell the difference externally, by the lack of the oval from the cross bolt on the right side of the frame above the trigger.

KBI imported all three models above as well as the FEG FP-9, which had a ventilated rib under the PJK-9HP model number,

TGI imported the three models above as the "P9M".

Those mis-marking practices create a lot of confusion about what is what.

KBI also imported parts from FEG and contracted first with Dan Wesson and then later Magnum Research to assemble the "Charles Daly Hi Power". This avoided the need for import marks and these are arguably some of the best non FN made Hi Powers available. KBI lost money on every of the 3000 they made. These were P9s with extended safety levers and the slides cut for Novak sights. The Dan Wesson pistols were cut for Novak Browning sized sights, while the Magnum research assembled pistols were cut for 1911 sized Novak sights.


The FEG P9R is a clone of the S&W Model 59 but the P9R model number often gets confused with the FEG hi Powers, because it was made by FEG. The P9R magazines are not compatible with any of the Hi Powers.

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The FM Hi Powers were actual Hi Powers made under license in Argentina, including final inspections by FN staff, from 1969 through 1989. When the license expired FM started making their FM 90 pistols which are easily differentiated from the earlier FN licensed pistols by the 1911 style slide treatment. They were pine pistols initially but quality declined in fit and finish. They followed up with the FM 95 in 1995.

I'd happily take home one of the actual FM Hi Powers, but I'll pass on the FM 90 and later pistols.

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The Israeli Hi Powers that are being imported (less now than before) are a mix of:
- FN Hi Powers bought under contract by Israel;
- FN Hi Powers purchased surplus, or captured in combat;
- counterfeit Hi Powers made by FEG to make it less obvious they were violating various arms embargoes (these all have FN roll marks, but B prefix 5 digit FEG style serial numbers);
- FEG P9s made by FEG and sold to Israel; and
- "Kareen" marked Hi Powers assembled in Israel from parts supplied by FEG.
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I'm also a big fan of the SFS system. I carried an FN SFS Hi Power for years and converted a P9M to the SFS configuration for commonality purposes. It required no more hand fitting that usual when changing a safety on a Hi Power.



The SFS kit is available from Cylinder and Slide and it consists of FN parts. They include the SFS extended slide release, but it is not required for the conversion.

I installed it however in my P9M conversion. Since I had the P9M with the 1911 style slide release and the smaller cut in the slide I elected to reprofile the SFS slide release (top) to a shape that worked with the FEG P9M slide cut (bottom). There's enough metal to do it, you just need to be good with a Dremel and file, and then use some cold blue:

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Well, it looks better here, to me, than it did. I hope that cheers you up. I don't see the rust or freckling, possible pits, that were in the first photos.

The phenomenon of auto pistol slides being easier to rack with the hammer cocked is common, with many brands. I think cocking the hammer must lower tension on the springs.

Someone more mechanically inclined can probably explain why this is.
When you rack the slide and the hammer is in the fired position (all the way down), you are compressing the recoil spring AND the mainspring. By cocking the hammer first, the mainspring is already mostly compressed.
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My pawn shop find was a DA/SA P9R. Not quite the gun I wanted, but it was right there in the case, and I had a little cash burning a hole in my pocket. It is a nice enough gun, but I would still take a Hi-Power or clone.
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My pawn shop find was a DA/SA P9R. Not quite the gun I wanted, but it was right there in the case, and I had a little cash burning a hole in my pocket. It is a nice enough gun, but I would still take a Hi-Power or clone.
Another pawn shop near here has one of these, and I've been tempted by it because it looks like an interesting meld of the HP and the S&W traditional DA semi autos, of which I'm a fan. But it seems the mags are unobtainium, which has given me pause. Seems if they were going to rip off the S&W action, they could have made them compatible with the Smith mags.

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if you remove the magazine safety, it will improve the trigger dramatically. The Highpower design is a little bit aged and the Brownings are sought-after classics now but the guns still have more mechanical accuracy potential than most people are able to get out of it.

You did well on the purchase and it did clean up well .
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A lot of mags will fit in the mag well. CZ75 mags will lock in, but are too long, sticking out by 3/4” or so. I never tried one to see if it would feed. With Smith mags, I seem to recall the the catch for the mag release was different, but looked like something that could be modded fairly easily with a file and Dremel. Again, no idea if it would work right in place.

I did find a 10-round mag at Midway. That was several years ago, so no idea if they still have any. It looks as if restoring the original capacity wouldn’t be too hard. Maybe one of these days, I’ll get a round tuit, but it is not a high priority.
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Have a really nice c.1988 Browning HP, and for reasons unknown did want a clone to knock around with. Settled on the FEG, a got a variation that I've not decided if I like yet....
It's the model with the 'heavy slide', ie., the slide lacks the froward 'cut' that so readily identifies a HP. It also has the vent rib, extended carry safety.
I polished the feed ramp, deleted the mag safety, and put some VZ grips on it. Trigger actually quite good now...hate to say it, but a little better than my Browning which I also removed the mag safety from.

This FEG shot better than I expected also, so jury's still out as I'm trying to decide on keeping it. The combo of heavy slide and vent rib,...just dunno.
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I've been looking for a Hi Power clone (FEG) for a while, and last week got a call about a BHP 69C "trade in" they (LGS) just took in and wondered if I was interested.

They texted me some photos and offered it to me at what I thought was a pretty good price, so of course I took it.

After I get a chance to shoot it, I'll decide if I'll remove the magazine safety, and I'm thinking that might just be good enough for me.
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I bought a FEG R9 about 20 years ago for less than $200. Not the same as the PJK, 20 lb trigger pull, no parts interchange. Traded it (happily) for a 2" sw model 10 rhat I still have. Joe
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I bought a FEG R9 about 20 years ago for less than $200. Not the same as the PJK, 20 lb trigger pull, no parts interchange. Traded it (happily) for a 2" sw model 10 rhat I still have. Joe
That's the FEG "P9R". Bud's Gun Shop, for one, calls them "R9" pistols. I have no idea why, it just adds confusion.

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Have a really nice c.1988 Browning HP, and for reasons unknown did want a clone to knock around with. Settled on the FEG, a got a variation that I've not decided if I like yet....
It's the model with the 'heavy slide', ie., the slide lacks the froward 'cut' that so readily identifies a HP. It also has the vent rib, extended carry safety.
I polished the feed ramp, deleted the mag safety, and put some VZ grips on it. Trigger actually quite good now...hate to say it, but a little better than my Browning which I also removed the mag safety from.

This FEG shot better than I expected also, so jury's still out as I'm trying to decide on keeping it. The combo of heavy slide and vent rib,...just dunno.
What you have is the FEG "FP9".

It's an interesting variation. I'm interested if you decide you want to sell it.
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When you rack the slide and the hammer is in the fired position (all the way down), you are compressing the recoil spring AND the mainspring. By cocking the hammer first, the mainspring is already mostly compressed.
The weight of the hammer spring and the force needed to cock the hammer is figured in along with the recoil spring when determining how much total force is needed to delay the opening the of breech in delayed recoil locked breech pistols.

In blow back operated pistols, the force required to cock the hammer as the slide moves aft is a significant portion of the total resistance to the slide, almost as much as the recoil spring itself during the initial movement of the slide.
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Btw does anyone know if the recoil spring in the P9R is the same or essentially the same as that in the Hi Power? Could a kink in the P9R’s recoil spring, even a slight one, cause the slide to be particularly hard to take off when field stripping? Asking for a friend.

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