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My MBH, (much better half), has one from way back when. Are they many around? I don't recall seeing much posted about them on the various forums I visit.

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There were two kinds.

The first was made in the 60s, and looks like the familiar 10/22:





These are pretty sought-after guns. I bought the first one I saw at a reasonable price, and I ain't selling it anytime soon. It is light and handy, and good things happen when that big bullet lands on target. It only holds 4 rounds in the tube magazine, and that may have limited its popularity. They sure get lots of love nowadays, though.

The other used a detachable rotary magazine, and looked more like a Mini-14.




I prefer the older tube fed version, but the latter style has fans, too.
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Wow! Never seen or heard of those!

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There were two kinds.

The first was made in the 60s, and looks like the familiar 10/22:





These are pretty sought-after guns. I bought the first one I saw at a reasonable price, and I ain't selling it anytime soon.

The other used a detachable rotary magazine, and looked more like a Mini-14.




I prefer the older tube fed version, but the latter style has fans, too.
How was the first one loaded?

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How was the first one loaded?

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A 4 round tube under the action.

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Nice little weapon. If I could get one at a reasonable price I would be on it like a rat on a Cheeto
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I've got one of the Ruger 77/357 carbines........ it's a bolt gun not semi...........but it's a handy little carbine.
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Sig220.45 is correct. As I recall, the .44 Magnum carbine actually spawned the 10/22 - NOT the other way around. Weren't they called "The Deer Slayer" by Ruger? They are still very popular, and don't seem to come up very often for sale. I think I remember reading that the only real problem with them is you need to replace the plastic/nylon buffer to keep them operating. I'd love to have one as a brush gun.

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I have one of the old ones. It is equipped with a Weaver scope and tip-off mounts. ( State of the art in the 1970s) Gun belonged to my long time best friend and his widow gave it to me.

As we also hunted together I had many opportunities to fire it before I got to own it! Bill was a very good shot and he took a lot of deer out of the Catskill mountains of NY state with that gun .Most 1 shot 1 kill!

The gun being so small & light and very powerful was his house defense gun. He never had to use it for that purpose but I know it would have done the job.
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Sig220.45 is correct. As I recall, the .44 Magnum carbine actually spawned the 10/22 - NOT the other way around. Weren't they called "The Deer Slayer" by Ruger? They are still very popular, and don't seem to come up very often for sale. I think I remember reading that the only real problem with them is you need to replace the plastic/nylon buffer to keep them operating. I'd love to have one as a brush gun.

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That is one gun I regret never picking up and having in the collection. Classic piece.

I remember an old add for the Ruger .44 carbine with a guy doing an African hunt standing next to a gorilla he shot with the .44 carbine. - Try an add like that today - -
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I traded mine for the first Glock 17 I ever saw.
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As stated, a great deer gun for the big woods, and much sought after nowadays. Light and nimble.
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I have one of the earlier, tube magazine style. It's the RS version, with a factory peep sight.

I traded into it a couple years ago, and have no plans to sell.

I did see one on the local Armlist last week. It had a broken stock (Unobtanium), and was listed at $350. It wasn't listed very long.
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My buddy picked one up last year at the local Cabela's. We both saw it on the used gun rack and I picked it up first. I know he'd been looking for one in good shape and this one was. I handed it to him and he looked it over. There was a guy standing right next to us watching us like a hawk. My buddy almost put it back on the rack and I stopped him and said, if you're not buying this, I am. He looked at me and knew I was serious. He walked out with it. I'm sure that guy next to us wanted it too and I wasn't about to let it get away.

Last year, he paid $650 for it. Looks new. We see them every once in a while at Cabela's and the price keeps going up and up. I think the last one we saw, they wanted $899 for it.

We still have a feeding issue with his. Can't quite seem to get it to feed reliable. Tried different rounds, different weights, etc. It's the tube feed one, not the box magazine. It seems to halfway like the Winchester White Box 240gr. semi-jacketed soft point the best, but still won't feed them real well. Never can get through 4 rounds without a problem.

Not sure if Ruger would even look at it or even know what it is if we called them, LOL!
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We still have a feeding issue with his. Can't quite seem to get it to feed reliable. Tried different rounds, different weights, etc. It's the tube feed one, not the box magazine. It seems to halfway like the Winchester White Box 240gr. semi-jacketed soft point the best, but still won't feed them real well. Never can get through 4 rounds without a problem.

Not sure if Ruger would even look at it or even know what it is if we called them, LOL!
Maybe try a good detail cleaning of it? Also, have you checked the buffer? Other than that, I'd make a phone call to Ruger and see what they have to say.

I've got a little Marlin 1894 carbine chambered in .357 Magnum, so I really have no excuse/reason for a Ruger .44 Magnum carbine. That said, if I ever find one in decent shape, and at a good price, it'll be mine.

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Thanks Dave! We've taken the bolt out and then apart and detailed it inside and out and lubed everything we could find.

I don't know about the buffer or checking it out. I'll have to do some research on that one. The jamming looks as if the bullet tried to enter the chamber too high and the bullet is getting pushed up to the top of the receiver and getting stuck there and not able to enter the chamber.

I don't want to hi-jack the thread though... LOL!
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There were two kinds.

The first was made in the 60s, and looks like the familiar 10/22:


I prefer the older tube fed version, but the latter style has fans, too.
Her's is the tube fed model. shot a lot of cast bullets in it while working up a load.
I'll try to get a decent photo up soon.

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I found one last year and you're right, there aren't a whole lot of them for sale. By the time it got to me the stock had a couple of good cracks in it. It looked like it had been run over by a...delivery truck? Of course, they denied the claim.
I thought I was done crying in life...
I did find a replacement stock in walnut that I need to final fit and finish.
I can't recall the name of the stock company, but they are well known in this business. It was only $75. ( maybe Taylors?)
The seller of the gun offered to refund over half my money to cover any repairs so I kept it at that price!
I was able to do a pretty good repair on it with Acraglass. I still need to fit the new stock and finish it.
It's a fun gun and a breeze to carry all day. It doesn't have sling swivels, nor does it need a sling.

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I bought one back in 68, topped with K3 Weaver. Handy little
outfit. About 3 years ago I had two of them to sell, this was right
before Ohio passed rifle season. The local market for 44mg
carbines was mostly for range toys, or cowboy crowd who wanted
levers. I sold them for $350@. Ohio announced law and price on
them doubled. It is one of the most sought after guns in this neck
of the woods. Second only to Marlin JMs 44mg. I bought one that
had buffer mashed out. The main thing with this model, it is
only built for jacketed bullets. It is gas operated, with gas port
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stroke. The early models had blued steel recievers are worth a
premium. Better yet the originals were Deer Stalkers, until Ithaca
sued. Those marked as such are worth more yet to collectors.
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That's another mention of the buffer.
Are replacement buffers available somewhere?
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Missed out on one myself many moons ago! Still regretting it!
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Exactly what is this "buffer" that y'all are talking about.

There's no "buffer" in the owners manual parts list.
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Not sure if Ruger would even look at it or even know what it is if we called them, LOL!
In my experience, Ruger has excellent customer service. My 40 year-old Standard .22lr pistol was having FTE problems, so I called Ruger to see what they could do. They immediately gave me a repair order number for a factory repair. They replaced the extractor mechanism and the ejector, and had it back to me in perfect working condition in a little over a week, no charge. Can't beat that for standing behind your product. Give them a call, you might be pleasantly surprised.
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Local gun shop here has an original style Ruger .44 carbine that is collecting dust in their gun rack. A decade ago it would have been out the door in a couple of days.
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Local gun shop here has an original style Ruger .44 carbine that is collecting dust in their gun rack. A decade ago it would have been out the door in a couple of days.
Whats it selling for?

Around here when you are lucky enough to find one for sale they tend to go fast. I have had 3 very serious/good money offers on my early 70s one.

FWIW I live in the Adirondack mountains and good fast handling deer guns are in big demand. The Catskill mountain are only a couple hour drive south and they tend to like the little Ruger there also.
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I don't recall, but I thought it was a bit high for this area. Most hunters out here these days either want an AR or if a bolt action then the latest .338 Gun Writer Fantasy Short Action Belted Mangleum. Anyone with a 30-30 is looked down upon as a tinderfoot. Lord help you if you have a 44 Mag carbine, cuz you'll never get a deer as it won't shoot past 50 yards.
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To clear up a couple of things IIRC the earliest 44 carbines were marked Deerstalker,
The name was dropped aooarently as it was too close to the Ithaca 37 Deerslayer.
The company that occasionally makes 44 carbine stocks is Boyds.
I have seen one other manufacturer but it was plastic.
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Ruger 44 Autolaoding Carbine – Jack First Gun Parts

Some parts if anyone needs them...

Watching a YouTube take down video on the rifle, they mention about the "cartridge guide plate" on the top inside of the receiver and sometimes if people take out the front 2 screws off the top of the receiver thinking it's for a scope mount, the guide falls out and never put back in.

I'm going to check tonight and see if that's why my buddy's is not feeding well...
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I didn't see any mention of a buffer in the Jack First parts catalog either.
If it was plastic, I would think it would be the most often replaced part.
Does it go somewhere on or behind the recoil plate at the rear of the receiver?
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I've enjoyed one of the older .44 Mag auto carbines for many years and it's taken a truckload of NC deer.
Mine came from a co-worker who had shot lots of soft lead bullets in it and it began to have feeding issues. I traded him even with a well-worn Ruger Security Six that I had $150 in.

A really good cleaning of the gas system and she never balked again. Put on a sling and a Weaver 1-3x scope and found a pretty warm load of Sierra 240 gr. JHC, and later, Hornady 240 gr XTP's. Back in the 90's I did take a 6 pt. Albino buck at ~150 yds with it, one of the more memorable trips with it.
Hope to get it out again this Fall. In my new location, very thick woods are the norm, it should be perfect.
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Fired a couple of the older model one's years back and did like em. Probably one of the best woods-brush guns around. Real handy and light.
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I always liked the looks of the early model. I bought a new one around 1975. Being a cast bullet shooter with all handgun cartridges, I found the Ruger carbine not to be the best gun for such use. Heavy bullets had to be seated quite deeply to function reliably through the not-so-easy-to-load tube magazine.

Never did work up a really accurate cast bullet load. I seem to recall jacketed bullets were better in this regard. Sold that gun, and twenty years later there was another old model Ruger .44 carbine in with a batch of guns I purchased. Had to try cast all over again; same story and that one was also sold.

There have been rumors over the years that using cast bullets in these guns would gunk up the gas operating system. Possible, I suppose, but I never found any truth to it.

Stick with jacketed bullets and these carbines are probably fine, accurate guns.
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My cousin had one in the late 60's and early 70's. Carried it deer hunting but never got a shot. Remember it had some feed problems.
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I bought one in 1966 when they first came out.
Shot several Whitetail deer with it.
Traded it off and bought a Remington 700 in 7mm Magnum.
Should of kept it, but children were coming.
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They seem to be fairly scarce around where I live. I saw one in a gun shop in Concord, NC last summer...haven't seen one since. I can't remember the price they had on it, but do remember thinking it was a good bit of money. Seems like if you hunted deer with a center fire rifle around here back in the seventies, most people wanted some kind of lever action .30-30 or the Ruger .44.

It's funny...people talked about "brush guns" a lot back then...I don't hear the term much these days.
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As a kid in the 70s, I used to hunt with one of the original ones. Good rifle, worked well for me...
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The gun I bought that buffer was mashed out, was a mistake
I looked on parts sheet and it's not called a buffer. Gun had
no bolt or trigger group. The back of the reciever was actually
cracked from metal to metal contact. I would say this happened
from either the gun being assembled wrong and fired or from
extremely hot loads over a period. The barrel was in good shape
so it was not from a obstruction blow back.
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There are indeed two distinct models of Ruger .44 Magnum carbines. Here's a picture of the two of them compared:



I did a fairly detailed article on them both in the May, 2015 issue of Dillon's Blue Press catalog/magazine (centerpiece article, pp 44-45). If you save back issues, you might want to reference it.

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I did a fairly detailed article on them both in the May, 2015 issue of Dillon's Blue Press catalog/magazine. If you save back issues, you might want to reference it.

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https://www.dillonprecision.com/docs/May_2015_Issue.pdf

Here is the magazine by John! Thank you!
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Started out many years ago with the tube one....Sold it......2 years ago bought another from a friend.....Shot it a little and sold it for a tidy profit....Much prefering my .44 rifles now to be lever guns.....BTW both rifles functioned 100%........AND I shot cast bullets in both with no problems.........
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Speaking of the price I used to have a copy of Gun Digest from 1971. Price new was $119 for the carbine. Also made an International model with Mannlicher stock. If ya find one of these grab it cause they are rare and very hard to come buy.
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I see them pretty regularly up here in new england. seems a lot of deer hunters use them. They show up in used gun racks in VT,NH,ME all the time. Good looking classic rifles. Rugers were well made guns then, today,....not too sure?
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A Ruger .44 carbine was also used as an unlikely, but unfortunately effective, sniper rifle by lunatic Mark Essex in New Orleans. He killed 10 people from the roof of a downtown hotel before the NOPD borrowed a chopper and shot him up. You can see the butt of the Ruger in the middle of the scrum of cops. I remember another picture showing the gun had been shattered by police fire, but I can't find it now.
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As I recall, Ithaca actually sued Ruger for patent or copyright infringement and Ruger withdrew calling the .44 Carbine the Deerstalker. Early models are so marked, though, and fetch a collector premium. Very handy little heavy-cover hunting rifles. I had one back in the 70s, bought new at that time but sold it to a buddy who wanted it badly. There were Mannlicher, deluxe checkered models, and one collectors call the "fingergroove sporter" that featured a Monte Carlo buttstock and a forend with, well, a lengthwise fingergroove. This model was not checkered.

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Back in the late 80's I used to hunt wild pig (Boar) in Hawaii with some local boys. Frederick carried one of the tube fed Rugers. One day I asked him something or other about it and he was always worried about breaking the stock.
He had 4 more in his house, just in case...
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The bottom of the forearm, below the mag tube is very thin walnut and many have been cracked due to banging it on something there.
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There were Mannlicher, deluxe checkered models, and one collectors call the "fingergroove sporter" that featured a Monte Carlo buttstock and a forend with, well, a lengthwise fingergroove. This model was not checkered.
I have one with the fingergroove stock. It was originally my fathers. Back in the mid 90's, I traded him a Marlin 1894 in .44 Mag for it. Several years later, I sold it to my brother. Both my Dad and I tried to get it back from my brother, for the next decade or so. Finally, about 3 years ago, my brother called me up and told me he was looking to get a small 1911. I gladly traded him a Kimber Eclipse Ultra II even-up for the Ruger. I'll never get rid of it again. My Dad, brother and I have all taken deer with it. The .44 Magnum out of a rifle is a devastating round.

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These two are my latest buy yesterday.Ruger 556 Rifle & S&W 686-6 .357 Magnum 4".
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Mine, bought for $250 in 2005, shoots the 250 gr Partition very well. I did glass bed the recoil block to the stock and replaced the through bolt lock washer so all was snug.

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I remember this ad and lusting for one as a kid, take a look at the ad they were running back then. Can you imaging the PC reaction to this today!? Read the telegram, the Museum commissioned him to take a rare lowland Gorilla, the museum director and this hunter would be in chains, or worse, today!
The Ruger remains a fine weapon!
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