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I was wondering why the prices are so high now on the 9422. I see the 22 mag models over 1000.00 and the 22 lr starting at 800.00 . would like to get another 22 lever, but at these prices are they worth it. Do you think the prices are peaking and going to come down or are they going to keep increasing? thanks
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I have owned two 9422 rifles. The first was a 9422 Classic between 1990-1995. With it I could shoot pine cones off the branch of yellow pines ... pine cones big enough for the children at church to use them to make Christmas trees for their mothers. It was never used with anything but the factory iron sights. It would hold 10 shots from a benchrest under 1.25 inches at 50 yds. using CCI Mini-Mags. It was faultless. For some reason I let it go.

I now own a 9422 XTR. It is in every respect perfect. In every respect it is the equal in accuracy to the earlier 9422 Classic. The quality of fit/finish are impeccable. It's feeding, firing, ejection ... all are without any fault regardless of the ammunition used. My brother bought this rifle in the early 1980's. Last year he decided he was going to trade it off for a pistol. We worked a deal ... he got a G-19 and a S&W 15-22. I got the 9422 XTR.

Is the 9422 worth what people are charging for them? Well, as the old saying goes, "They an't making them any more." Marlin 39A's are gone. Henry's are excellent rifles in every respect. A nice one is not cheap. Winchester is ... for some of us ... it resonates. Maybe that is why some will pay the price for a 9422. For me, it was a chance to keep a extremely nice rifle in the family rather than see it get swapped off for a pistol worth maybe $500 or so. It is worth the price. It is to me. A rule I've followed is to buy what matters to me at the price that I value the item. For instance, when my identical-twin brother was going to sell his Remington 03-A3, such rifles were commonly available in good condition for about $300. I gave him more than that for the rifle. Come 4/20, it will be 13 years since he died. I will always be thankful that I bought that rifle from him. A the first vintage military rifle match I ever fired, a fellow competitor looked at the score I shot, looked at the rifle (which is gorgeous) and offered me $600 cash on the spot. I declined the offer. The rifle is worth far more than money to me.

A couple of years ago I found a Colt SAA .22 LR/.22Mag. Nevada Commerative revolver which I bought for my newborn grandson. Down the road, he will have this 9422 rifle. It will come with plenty of the best quality .22 LR ammo I can afford. Sincerely. bruce.
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Keep increasing.......The 9422 was a QUALITY rifle that Winchester made unlike the junk that followed......the breech block is remenicent(sp?) of the Winchester 61......And Its all machined steel and Walnut(some came with laminate)......Same length and almost he same feel of the legendary 94...The 9422...Marlin 39 and the Browning BL-22 are good buys and will last and last.
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When they stop making something and the supply has been purchased... it becomes a sellers market. Additionally, Winchester has gone through buy outs, reorganization and such which makes many purists consider a newer Winchester is not a true Winchester. Same with S&W and the lock thing... just not what it used to be and us stubborn guys want the real deal.
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It's just like most other guns (or any other retail item). People like them when they're available as new production, maybe used one that belonged to a parent or older sibling. Time goes by, then by the time they are able to afford one they are no longer made, and a bunch of other people about the same age have the same idea...prices go up accordingly.
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The Henry .22 lever is a wonderfully smooth and accurate rifle. As far as Winchester 9422s being "worth" more every year...I often wonder the same thing about Colt "snake" revolvers. It is a supply and demand thing for sure.
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As good as the Browning BLR and the Marlin 39, but it carries the Winchester name. In some cases it is a status thing. Either of the first two will shoot as well and last as long and are just as well made. But neither has Winchester stamped on it. Would rather have any of these three then a Henry.

Saw a 1876 Winchester in 22LR at the gun show last weekend, but did not have the $5K for it.

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9422's are great guns! I wish that I still had mine but that is one that the ex insisted on keeping. They are high quality and well built.
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Why are 9422 prices so high? Because some people are willing to PAY that much to own a fine piece of American history and craftsmanship.

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I bought a Henry .22 mag and have been well pleased with it, shoots as well as my buddy's 9422.
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and you're still stuck with a henry.....
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I've had them and handled them. They aren't worth today's premium prices. The prices are high because "they ain't making them anymore." No other reason.

Look at the Browning BL22 Grade II. The checkered stock version.
The Marlin 39 is a great rifle, as well.
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Bear in mind that the 9422 was a "Top of the Line" rifle for Winchester. Their best design, best materials and best craftsmanship went into these. If you take one apart and tap the receiver, it rings like a bell.
Part of the high prices is because they don't make them anymore, partly because they are highly desirable, but mostly because they are worth it.
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I have a 9422 that I bought years ago. It is one of my favorite firearms. I wouldn't trade it for 2 Henrys or Marlins :-)
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They're very popular with Cowboy Silhouette shooters>
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Great quality indeed! Just wish I had been smart enough to buy one
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wow!! sounds like everybody thinks they are a great gun and most think worth the price you would have to pay today to own one. My gun shop just got in two, one is a 22 mag and the other is 22lr. have not priced them yet but I have first crack at them. if price is right I will have to decide, 22 mag or 22 lr, don't think I can swing both.
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wow!! sounds like everybody thinks they are a great gun and most think worth the price you would have to pay today to own one. My gun shop just got in two, one is a 22 mag and the other is 22lr. have not priced them yet but I have first crack at them. if price is right I will have to decide, 22 mag or 22 lr, don't think I can swing both.
Work out a payment plan and buy both. You will not be disappointed. Shoot them both decide which one you like the best and sell the other or keep them both.
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What's wrong with the Henry levers? I've never owned one,but every one I have shot has been a joy. I own a couple of Winchesters (9422 and a 94AE .357) and they are nowhere near as smooth as the equivalent Henrys.
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The Winchester model 9422 was a return to real quality when it was first introduced in 1972. Its action was a spinoff of the old Model 61 .22 pump action, which had a sterling reputation for reliability. The cartridge was under total control from magazine to chamber. The 61 became too expensive to produce by the old methods, and was dropped from the line in 1964. However, with the introduction of modern CNC machinery, Winchester could make the 9422 more economically and still maintain high quality.

A final run of "Tribute" models was made in 2005, and 9,422 were made. I was fortunate enough to find one, new in the box, and I still have it, unfired.

I later picked up a .22 WMR version, and it's extremely accurate to way out there. While I could scope it, it would seem way out of place on the rifle, and I'm confident enough that if I can see it at 100 yards, I can hit it with open sights.

I have another in XTR configuration, made in 1980 and chambered for .22 LR, which is illustrated here:



I devoted a chapter to the 9422 in my book 101 Classic Firearms. It's truly a classic and one of the finest .22s ever produced under the Winchester name. It's no wonder that prices today are escalating for these gems.

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I purchased my 9422 Mag. new in 1972 for $75.00. It hides in the back of my safe to this day.
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I think everyone has pretty much nailed it. It boils down to one simple thing...quality. Sure, Henry lever guns are nice and smooth, but the receiver is made of zinc or some alloy, not forged steel.

I bought my 9422M several years ago for $250. It was used, but all I had to do was work the action once and I was sold. I mounted a 4x Leupold scope on it and never looked back. It's undoubtedly one of my top favorite rifles to shoot.

If you can't understand why the high cost, then my advice is to forget it. Don't buy one. It's kinda like buying a Randall knife. A lot of folks can't understand why you'd pay that much for something just to cut stuff with. After all, it's just a knife. Right? See? No matter how hard you try, you can't explain it to them.

Nowadays, companies are turning out rifles that are selling for very moderate costs. Plastic stocks, aluminum parts, etc. It's all good. It's just where you put your priorities.

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Man I like my 9422 high grade. I recently saw a 9422M in the cabelas gun library for about $1200 that had a scope with it.

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wow!! sounds like everybody thinks they are a great gun and most think worth the price you would have to pay today to own one. My gun shop just got in two, one is a 22 mag and the other is 22lr. have not priced them yet but I have first crack at them. if price is right I will have to decide, 22 mag or 22 lr, don't think I can swing both.
There IS someway that you could swing the purchase price for both. It will prove to be the best CD note you ever invested. And, you and your kids will get hours and hours of pleasure shooting, cleaning, talking about and just enjoying two of the best small bore rifles ever built. Why am I so adamant that you should 'find a way' is because 20 some odd years ago I faced the same dilemma at my favorite LGS. They had one each new in the box from Winchester. I purchased only the 22 Mag. I love shooting that rifle and my grandchildren may well wind up with it. But, if a financial emergency came up, that 20 year and some old rifle will pay a bunch of the medical costs. ..........
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Is the "CLICK" when you close the lever.
The Ermas & the Ithacas that Shared the design are the same way.
You can't cycle it quietly!

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I don't know for certain why they seem so pricey, but they are.

I was so late to the Winchester 9422 party that the lights were off and they were taking out the garbage. Back when they were still being made I never paid any attention to them figuring in my ignorance (1) they were not pre-'64 and therefore must be inferior; (2) I'm shooting handguns, not long guns, these days; and (3) I've already got a bunch of .22 rifles I barely shoot, so why buy another one. By that dimwitted "logic" I managed to nearly miss the boat on the best .22 rifle of the last quarter of the 20th Century.

The scales on my eyes finally fell off when I was at the range in the woods one day and a buddy, who always seems to have the latest and greatest, pulled a nice Model 9422 out of the rifle carrier. He started shooting and hit every tin can down range. He offered it to me and I did the same. The second I picked it up it felt solid and right in my hands. It fairly oozed quality. I resolved then and there to find one. That one experience was all it took.

But it took me a while to finally get one. I managed to let several get past me thinking the high prices were some kind of anomaly. They weren't. I asked the same question: Why are the 9422s so expensive?

When a pal who is a Winchester-nut found one at the Lakeland Gun Show he offered it to me for $900. I jumped. It is a 9422 XTR in .22LR and is a dead ringer for the one in Paladin's post above.

It shoots wonderfully. The only problem is that now when I'm at the range everybody else wants to shoot it, too! That's fine.....we're all having fun and that is how I discovered I "needed" a 9422.

Expensive? Yes, my dad told me once that anything of quality was always going to be expensive. He was right way back then and I learned that lesson again when I bought my 9422, a decision I have not regretted for one nano-second.

My advice? If you want one, go find one. They aren't gonna be any cheaper or more plentiful next year and we'll all be one year older. Shoot while you can. This is a one way trip, after all.
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I think everyone has pretty much nailed it. It boils down to one simple thing...quality. Sure, Henry lever guns are nice and smooth, but the receiver is made of zinc or some alloy, not forged steel.
That's my objection to the Henrys. The alloy receivers simply don't have the look of polished, blued steel. And I'm not one to have a knee-jerk objection to non-steel parts, I'm perfectly fine with Glocks and the like. It's just that a lever gun should have a certain look, and the Henrys don't have it. Lay one next to a Winchester 9422 and the Henry receiver looks like it's been spray painted.

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I picked up a 9422M ten years ago for $330 and grumbled a bit about the price even at that. After I took it to the range though I knew I'd gotten a bargain. Smooth action and a pleasure to handle.
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I hope to get one or both. They are both in excellent condition. the same guy traded both of them and his stuff is always like new. I am thinking the mag is going to be 1100.00 and the 22lr around 850.00 . there are a few people waiting in line to get them so don't think there is going to any way to make a offer. I do get first shot which is nice. fair prices?

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Great rifles, Winchester built them as a premium rifle and they are, IMO, the best .22 lever action. I've got two of them, but must confess I don't know how they shoot! I've shot other 9422s, but not my own...!

Bought my first 9422 when my son was a baby. Literally had him in the baby stroller, at the gun show when I bought it for him! He doesn't know/remember about the gun. He's 11 now, and I figure I'll give it to him for his 12th, or 13th Birthday. It came with box and docs, like from the factory, I don't believe that it's been shot.

I liked that gun so much, I had to buy one for myself. Found it here on the forum classified back around 2007/08, if I remember correctly. Again, if I remember correctly, the member that I bought it from said he bought a couple when he heard that Winchester was going out of business/closing the New Haven factory. Anyway, this 9422 I know is unfired, in the box...

Now, thanks to OPGs (other people's guns) I have shot 9422s plenty, and they are very nice shooting guns. I suppose I'll shoot mine some day, maybe when I give my son his 9422, we'll shoot them together. I've got enough .22 rifles to shoot in the meantime, while I decide if/when to uncork the 9422s...

I do own a nice Marlin 39A, and have shot it a bunch. Quality built, sturdy, 'full size' lever .22. The Marlin shoots really nice and is also built for a several lifetimes if you take care of it. I also like that it's a take-down rifle.

Comparing it to the 9422, IME, the Marlin just does not have the same refinement of fit, finish, and lines/handling as the Winchester. The Mountie is better balanced than the full size 39, but still... I think you'll hear a lot more about the Marlin 39 because, well, there's a lot more of them out there!! And, of course, they are a really nice gun. But, to me, there really isn't much of a comparison to the 9422, for me...

I do think that the Browning BLII is right up there in terms of quality, fit/finish and how smooth the action is. They are a very nice .22 lever. Not a Winchester, but very nice... Had a lot of trigger time on them and they shoot nice, too.

I also like the action on these Henry .22s. Very, very nice gun that is ruined by the cheap cast alloy action that is concealed by a painted covering! Functionally, I know they work great, such a smooth action, but to me the cast alloy just cheapens the rifle. I also find the triggers to be a little too stout, but not terrible. Usually Henry's have very nice walnut stocks and the bluing is nice, too.

But, why Henry insist on cheaping-out on that element of an otherwise very nice rifle confounds me. I'm sure it's to hit a price point that works for selling as many rifles as possible. But, can't they do a .22 model with a forged steel receiver, as well as well as the ones with the zinc receivers...? They do it for their large caliber rifles, maybe they'll do it for the .22s some day...?

That said, I bought a Henry .22 pump action a couple of years ago, and its such a fun gun to shoot! Very nice walnut and blued octagon barrel. It shoots pretty darn accurately, and is 100% reliable in feeding rounds though it's tube mag. With better sights and a lighter trigger, it think this gun could hold some very tight groups...

Anyway, yes, I believe the 9422 is worth the money, if you believe in purchasing quality. They are not making them anymore, and doubt that they will again. It's one of those classic, "they don't make 'em like that anymore" situations. I think the price will probably continue to rise. It's been like that for as long as I've been looking at them...
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I hope to get one or both. They are both in excellent condition. the same guy traded both of them and his stuff is always like new. I am thinking the mag is going to be 1100.00 and the 22lr around 850.00 . there are a few people waiting in line to get them so don't think there is going to any way to make a offer. I do get first shot which is nice. fair prices?
Given the market, I think it's a fair price, maybe a little high... I'd swallow hard and buy them, if you have the extra cash and really want them.

I can say that I've often felt like I was paying too much for a quality gun/desirable/collectible gun. But, all of those purchases have turned out to be very good ones in terms of values increasing over time. I can't necessarily say that about lesser quality/more plentiful type guns.

Good luck, and please post pictures.
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That's my objection to the Henrys. The alloy receivers simply don't have the look of polished, blued steel. And I'm not one to have a knee-jerk objection to non-steel parts, I'm perfectly fine with Glocks and the like. It's just that a lever gun should have a certain look, and the Henrys don't have it. Lay one next to a Winchester 9422 and the Henry receiver looks like it's been spray painted.



I picked up a 9422M ten years ago for $330 and grumbled a bit about the price even at that. After I took it to the range though I knew I'd gotten a bargain. Smooth action and a pleasure to handle.

Offer $2K, since you will have first offer make it good.
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I've owned my 9422 mag XTR forever. I've shot moa at 100 with the 2-7 leupold. I found a 9417 in mint condition that's now worth 2 K. It's a moa lever gun as well. I've found the 94 AE to shoot extremely well too.


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the 22 mag is 1300.00 and the 22lr is 800.00. I can get both for 2000.00. Really want the 22 mag but think that is top dollar. I will get the 22 lr for that price and decide if I want both. I have till Monday to decide. Help, I know you never regret the ones you buy, but do regret the ones that got away. I guess if I want two high quality guns now is the time.
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I understand completely with the recent Mod 66 & 60 I bought as a pair. Difference for me was I had been wanting another K frame Smith as well as a J frame at some point but they both came to me in one deal - also I bought them from the son of the owner who is a friend and KNEW I would appreciate them as opposed to someone he did not know so it was a win-win for both of us. While he DID inherit and keep the guns he and his father used to shoot together he did not have any connection with the Smiths and bought his first 1911 with the money from selling me them. An equitable deal all around!
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the 22 mag is 1300.00 and the 22lr is 800.00. I can get both for 2000.00. Really want the 22 mag but think that is top dollar. I will get the 22 lr for that price and decide if I want both. I have till Monday to decide. Help, I know you never regret the ones you buy, but do regret the ones that got away. I guess if I want two high quality guns now is the time.
When will you get this chance again. If the condition warrants top dollar then pays the man his money and be done. You may never get the chance again. Been more than once I have regretted not buying a piece.

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My 9422 was built in '73, my 9422M in '74.
Two of the smoothest lever actions I own.
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At least grab the 22 lr. That's a steal at 800$.


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My favorite .22 leverguns.....Browning BL-22 Grade II octagon....Marlin 1897T(39 with 18" octagon bbl)......Early 9422 that I changed the walnut to laminate....
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I bought a M9422 new back in 1973. It was a wonderful shooter. I sold it in 1980 when I needed some money after my wife lost her job.

Never replaced it, but I did pick up a Marlin 1870-1970 back in 1990. Still have that one.
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Mine is a 1978 early XTR Model (no checkering on the stock) that I bought used at a gun show in 1982. I paid the then outrageous price of $135 for it and came real close to passing due to that price. It wouldn't matter what amount I might get offered today, this rifle ain't going nowhere until I die.

What I really regret is not buying one of the Trapper versions when they came out. I have a real fondness for the little 16" lever guns. OMG! Have you seen what those are going for these days? Hopefully, some day, some where, I'll stumble across one I can afford. If I do, I'll grab it without thinking twice.
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I'd like to see Miroku of Japan give the 9422 a shot. They have done a very nice job with the 1892 and 1886 for Browning (which is basically Winchester now). It would probably be $1000 gun new, but they would do a bang up job.
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I have had a Marlin 39 and a Browning BL-22 in the past. Liked the Marlin better than the Browning, but they're both long gone.

I have three 9422's.

Different strokes for different folks, all three are good. My advice is to buy the .22 long rifle if you intend to shoot whichever one you buy, you'll probably get more use out of it than the .22 WMR. Although reason plays very little part in my own purchases.
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Both guns are the xtr version, I guess that adds to the price. The mag was made in 1981 and the 22 lr was made 1978.
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I have a 9422mag that is in new condition I have had for years it is deadly accurate. I had 2 of the 22lr ones and traded them in the late 80s. Id say get both.
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I must have one. I ordinarily wouldn't consider a post 64 Winchester, but this one escaped my attention.

It would be hard to pay that much without getting a model 61 instead though...
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found out that 22 lr xtr does not have the checkered stock. I guess that was only done that way in 78 and 79.
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I second the motion on getting both

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I have a 9422mag bought it new in 1979 still have the box and receipt.If something happened to mine $1500 wouldn't be to much to pay for another one.
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The 9422 was the first firearm that I bought, that was in 1979. would never sell it.

While the Henry is a nice rifle, it doesn't have the same traditional internal action that the Win. has. That has turned me off
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Bought a 9422 just before they came out with the "Tribute". I recall I paid a little over $400 and the Tributes were going for over $600. Fine gun, very accurate. Sold it a year ago on GB for over $900. Picked up a used CZ 452 as replacement and am very happy.
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