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Old 04-19-2017, 10:57 PM
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I had my Hi Power at the range today, to try it with some WalMart Federal aluminum case ball. I put in the second magazine full, hit the slide release, and BOOM.

The round went safely downrange. My first thought was that I had hit the trigger somehow, though I was sure my finger was outside the trigger guard. I went ahead and fired off the rest of the magazine. On the last two rounds the gun went full auto. I can tell you the cyclic rate is pretty high.

I shot up the remainder of the hundred rounds, loading only two at a time. It didn't slam fire or double again.

I've had this gun for about 7 years, and shoot it quite a bit. I bought it used, and had the mag safety removed and a Cylinder and Slide safety installed.

I just gave it a good cleaning, including the firing pin, spring, and channel. I don't think the ammo had anything to do with it, but I'm going to try it with some regular ball tomorrow. Two rounds at a time.

I prefer the round hammer spur, so I think I'll order a kit to replace it, the sear, and the springs.
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Firing pin stuck forward?
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Did the hammer ride down with the slide or do you think the firing pin jammed?
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Did the hammer ride down with the slide or do you think the firing pin jammed?
I suspect the hammer dropped when the slide slammed forward, but I have no way to know for sure. It won't do it now, empty.

I shot it about a week ago and cleaned it, but I didn't pull the firing pin then. I did tonight, and it was clean and the spring was strong.
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Long ago I traded for an old Llama, I think, 32. auto. That gun would go full auto with almost every magazine full. Gets your attention the first time or two... Eventually brought it to a gun shop, described the problem, and traded it towards something I wanted more, as I got it for almost nothing in the trade.

I'm thinking a sear / hammer notch problem on yours.

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BTDT. Had to threaten Browning with a letter & video to ATF.


Problem was diagnosed by my gunsmith as the sear pin being drilled cockeyed.


After, I think, three trips back and forth between "Browning Mother Ship" and me, lots of phone calls, letters and emails to the CEO, COO, CFO and all the members of the BOD, the "Mother Ship" decided it was in their best interest to refund my purchase price.


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I'm curious.Why did you keep shooting the gun after you had the problem?
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I'm curious.Why did you keep shooting the gun after you had the problem?
Why not?

I knew what to expect if the problem continued. I only loaded 2 rounds at a time, and I could keep those on the backstop if it doubled again, which it didn't.

I'll do the same thing when I shoot it with different ammo tomorrow.
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If you recovered all your brass, check the primers for any scrape marks.
I had an Lc9 that got a clogged firing pin channel from primer brass.
Maybe that particular brand/lot had protruding primers and a sliver jammed the firing pin forward.
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I've experienced that problem several times on my old ( WWI-WWII )military pistols. In my situations, it is always in the sear/sear spring/hammer notch area. When the slide slams home, it jars that area enough to release the hammer. So if the messed up geometry is just so, the gun will keep going full auto I'm betting that's your problem, and the previous owner got a little aggressive when polishing the sear/hammer area ??
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No license, no bother. If you are called down YOU did nothing to make it full auto. Manufacturing defect.
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No license, no bother. If you are called down YOU did nothing to make it full auto. Manufacturing defect.
Yeah right, tell that to the guy that went to prison for the same thing, made no difference to the BATF, they have no sense of humor! Not a smart thing to do, besides, your gun is broken and it needs to be fixed.
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I believe once you have identified there is a defect or problem and chose to continue to shoot you are entering into some "grey water".. It is my experiance BATF takes a dim view of such things and the "I did not do anything wrong" may not hold up or keep you out of hot water. Is the gun now repaired? Could be that BATF is reading your posts as they have done on other forums. Be careful!
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I believe once you have identified there is a defect or problem and chose to continue to shoot you are entering into some "grey water".. It is my experiance BATF takes a dim view of such things and the "I did not do anything wrong" may not hold up or keep you out of hot water. Is the gun now repaired? Could be that BATF is reading your posts as they have done on other forums. Be careful!
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Technically speaking once your firearms autos like that you're already in "grey water". There is no time period to recognize a problem and stop. It either is or isn't. The law is very clear. You either have an illegal full auto or you don't. Doesn't matter how it happened. Law makes no distinction and people have gone to prison for it

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Way back in the 80's when I first started tinkering around with 1911's, I took my first trigger job to the range. dropped the slide and all was fine, pulled the trigger and all 7 rounds spit out. It went back home and that hammer and sear went in the trash. I have not had one since. I respect a minimum of .020 sear engagement on the trigger. Just make it clean and smooth.
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Well, my renegade Hi Power apparently decided to revert to its boring semi-auto life. I went through about 60 rounds of brass cased ball ammo of both 115 and 147 grain weight. No slam fires, no doubling. I was about to write it off as senile dementia, until I let the slide forward on an empty gun and the hammer dropped to half cock.

The range has a decent gunsmith, so I left it with him and told him I'd bring in the round hammer, sear, and spring kit for him to install.

Its time to give my Model 39 a little carry time, anyway.
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Did you get a chance to try the "click test" prior to leaving it with the smith?
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No license, no bother. If you are called down YOU did nothing to make it full auto. Manufacturing defect.
First of all, I'm pretty sure that excuse wouldn't hold water. If you continued to shoot it knowing there was a problem, there would be culpability for having a gun that performed in that manner. Secondly what about the safety aspect????

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I am sure that once a gun has gone full automatic, regardless of the cause, it instantly becomes an NFA weapon and stays one forever. At least according to the law. Of course if you are the only person aware of it...
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Many moons ago, a friend of mine was on our squadron pistol team. He was firing in a match and first round out of his 1911 it went full auto. I seem to remember it was a problem with the firing pin.

I was shooting my SKS at a range in Jacksonville and had fired two rounds when the next three went full auto. I laid it down on the bench and looked at it, looked around and the other three people on the rifle range were looking at me. Apparently I had a rather sickly look on my face when one of the people asked me, "Did that just triple." I nodded, said, "Yeah," and put it back in the truck. I sold it back to the guy I bought it from!
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I did. No click.
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Why wouldn't you keep shooting the gun?........in a far off place in the woods with no prying eyes.......
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Many years ago at the age of 18 I had my very well used tubular receiver Stevens .22 LR go full auto. The fist time it happened only four or five rounds went blap. Scared the stuff out of me. I tore the rifle down and gave it a thorough cleaning. Midway through my next dump shooting session, I loaded 15 rounds in the tube, pulled the rifle to eye level and pulled back the bolt. When I realeased the bolt all 15 rounds went blaaaaaappppp! Without my ever touching the trigger. Loading another tube full resulted in the same thing. Let me tell you, that Stevens had one fast cyclic rate!
My dad called a local gunsmith who bought the gun from him for $50 rather than repairing it. To this day, I wonder exactly what the gunsmith did with that old Stevens.
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I am sure that once a gun has gone full automatic, regardless of the cause, it instantly becomes an NFA weapon and stays one forever. At least according to the law. Of course if you are the only person aware of it...
Or the internet.....
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Where have you been, son?????????????????
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My Police range had an old rattle trap 1911 that routinely went full auto, they would take it out from time to time to show us the evils of a semi-auto pistol. I wonder what they ever did with that thing. It's probably rusting in the bottom of the sea out in the Atlantic somewhere. That was back in the NYPD revolver days when the job figured 6 in the gun and 12 in the belt was good enough.
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Why wouldn't you keep shooting the gun?........in a far off place in the woods with no prying eyes.......
1. Because it's broken.
2. Because it's unsafe.
3. Because it's illegal.
4. Because after considering 1,2 and 3, it would make sense.
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BTDT. Had to threaten Browning with a letter & video to ATF.


Problem was diagnosed by my gunsmith as the sear pin being drilled cockeyed.


After, I think, three trips back and forth between "Browning Mother Ship" and me, lots of phone calls, letters and emails to the CEO, COO, CFO and all the members of the BOD, the "Mother Ship" decided it was in their best interest to refund my purchase price.


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Got my contentious Hi Power back today. I like the looks of the Commander style hammer.

I'll be at the range tomorrow to see if it is still a little machinegun.
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The drama is over. My beloved Hi Power has returned to the boring life of a semi-auto after a brief walk on the wild side as a sassy full auto.

The replacement hammer kit from Cylinder and Slide did the trick. 150 rounds downrange, incluing 100 of the Federal aluminum cased ball I was using when it misbehaved. I sent the slide forward on an empty chamber a bunch of times, with no repeat of the hammer dropping on its own.

This episode was a good reminder to remember the basics, like keeping the muzzle in a safe direction. I've loaded this gun a hundred times at home. I would have been an unpopular guy indeed if I had performed a "desk pop" in my house. Now when I chamber a round in this (or any other semi) I use use a stack of magazines as a potential backstop.

I do like the look of the new hammer. It looks like a proper HP now.
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