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Old 04-22-2017, 02:40 PM
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This one got under my radar. Was never big on lever action guns and didn't even realize Winchester made anything worth looking at after '64







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Yes,they are nice.I had a high grade version.
They just need an o-ring and perhaps a bit of doctoring,to have secure loading tube when unloaded.
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I guess the craze is over.
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It's a dandy. Nice catch.

What was the price of admission on it? I think the craze is still underway with no signs of stopping.
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Hardware, I’ll have to agree with your statement about not realizing Winchester had anything worth owning after 64. I had 10 or so pre 64’s, I still have 6 and never thought the 9422 was anything great. Then about three years ago I shot one and was offered a 9422M as a trade on a S&W 67. I had three 67’s at the time so I traded. Then today at the local gun show a guy I know was there with his 9422XTR and I was trying to unload a couple of Uberti’s that I never shot so we made a deal my two Uberti’s for his 9422XTR that he has had since new in 81. The blue book on my two Uberti’s totaled about $800, but I only had $300 in them so I’m happy and he’s happy. I like the finish on yours, mine has that shiny finish but who cares, I have one in each caliber now.
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was shooting cans in the yard yesterday loaded with .22 short CB caps. what a great shooting little rifle
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Me too.
After looking locally for about a month with no luck i finally broke down and bought one from Gander Mountain when they had the 15% off coupon last week.
1975 vintage 9422M.
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Very nice, high quality,dependable little rifles. I sure enjoyed the one I had.
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Nice gun and nice photos!!

One of those is on my "someday" list.
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Those are excellent. To me, the Win. 9422, Browning BL22 and Marlin 39 are top-shelf .22 levers.
Can't understand the attraction people have for Henry's. No comparison, IMHO.
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I have a friend who has a 9422M, and the only bad thing I can say about it is that the ammunition it requires is too expensive.
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Like many, I turned up my nose at any post-64 Winchester, but finally came around just before the 9422s were discontinued in 2006. I bought several - the .22 LR XTR below, a 9422M, and one of the engraved final run guns in .22 LR, which I keep unfired and new in the box with papers as a hedge against inflation...

Best .22 lever action ever made, in my estimation, and I believe I've I've fired them all - Browning, Marlin, Henry, etc. The 9422s were quality right from the start, reliable, slick operating, and way accurate. They were top rung in every respect.

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Last year, I bit on this one.





I had another early one a few years back, like a moron, I sold it. I intend to keep this one.

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Yesterday I finally caved. 1978 XTR. Can’t believe I waited this long. Better late than never.
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The straight stocks are my favorite.
9422 was a birth gift for the grandson.
Only 5 now.
The other is his Dad's contraption.
A bit of old and new.

Have a 2x scope and a saddle ring for him as well.

First thing the MSgt said to me when I arrived at Castle....
a kid from NYC that can shoot.
The last thing was.... you should take my Winchester home with you.
Dumb me.

Enjoy that 9422.
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"The Cadillac of 22 lever actions" was one description I remember a writer for a magazine said years ago. Pretty good description IMHO. Mine, when I was younger and had younger eyes, would put five shots that you could cover with a nickel at 50 yards with the irons. I'm sure it's still capable of that...
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Even though this thread is five years old, it's still a good one. I have a 9422M...and I love it!!

I'd love to get one in .22LR. There was one for sale several months ago in the "Guns For Sale" section. It seemed like it was priced a little too high, but the seller took it off the market before I could respond. Rats! Oh well. At least I have one in .22 magnum.

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I have three of them:

- a 1978 9422 XTR, and a 2000 9422 Trapper;



The 1978 XTRs were not checkered. Most 9422 XTRs were checkered from 1979-89, and after Winchester discontinued the XTR grade in 1989 all 9422s were checkered.

All 9422s had high polished receivers. What makes an XTR an XTR is the high polished flats on the hammer and lever, a higher gloss stock finish, and the XTR stamp on the barrel.

1978 also was also the last year Winchester used a steel inner magazine tube. They switched to brass in 1979.

I don’t recall the precise year but it was around the time USRA was acquired by FN when they started using the 9422M receiver on the .22LR 9422. The 9422M receiver has a slightly longer ejection port and on the .22 LR guns you can see the bolt carrier and link at the extreme rear of the port. (If you look close you can see the difference between the two above with the trapper having the 9422M receiver. A more significant difference is that the later 9422M receiver rifles are .22 LR only rather than .22 S, L, and LR.


- and a 9422 Legacy. The 9422 Legacy paid homage to the Winchester Model 64 rifle with the longer barrel over hanging what became a 7/8 magazine tube, and a pistol grip and curved lever. It’s still a carbine pattern but looks more like the rifle pattern.




All three are very well made and a joy to shoot.

All of them are also worth a lot more than I paid for them.


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I also have an older BL-22, it’s also a well made, quality firearm that is very enjoyable to shoot.



Given the quality of the Winchester 9422, the Browning BL-22 and Marlin 39A, I’ve never understood the passion for the zinc alloy receiver, painted receiver cover, lever action Henry .22 LRs. They’re not bad, but they don’t hold a candle to the Winchester, Browning or Marlin lever action carbines in terms of fit, finish, feel or accuracy.

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I see some discussion now and then over at rimfire central where folks will claim the later checkered 9422s were lower quality. These are often the same people who claim to have owned a 1990’s era checkered 9422 XTR. There was no such animal after 1989, so from that point forward it’s hard to take them seriously.

The 9422 Legacy, which appeared just after the XTR era ended is also frequently brought up as an example of declining quality. It’s not entirely untrue when it’s being compared to the mid to late 1980s 9422 XTR Classic. Like the 9422 Legacy, the 9422 Classic also had a longer barrel, curved lever and pistol grip, but was an XTR, left uncheckered in the pre-1979 tradition. As such it had highly polished hammer and lever flats and a higher gloss stock finish. So yes…it was “lower quality” - just like the non XTR was compared to an XTR. Given that the 9422 Legacy was a non XTR finished rifle that effectively replaced the 9422 XTR Classic thet comparison is a pretty natural one.

I’ve also heard people complain the 9422s made in the last couple years of production (2002-2004) were lower quality and are often claimed to have been made from mis matched left over parts. I’ve never owned from that era, so I can’t say.

I’ve also heard similar comments about the Marlin 39A after it got the rebounding hammer and safety, as well as the more recent “Japanese made” BL-22s, even though the BL-22 has always been made by Miroku in Japan since it was introduced in 1969 - and Miroku still makes very high quality guns.

I can say however, that the worst 9422, BL-22 or Marlin 39 to ever come off the production line was still better than the best Henry .22 LR. Since people like the Henry a lot, you need to put the “low quality” comments regarding the later 9422, BL-2 and 39A in proper context - if those claims are even true.

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I bought this 9422 XTR Classic back in 1986. And sold it around 2014. Like a fool.
I wish I had it back. The only thing that would be better would be the same model in .22 WMR.
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I like lever action .22's. In addition to an early 9422 that I changed the wood to wincam I have a couple of others that I'm fond of. A 16 in octagon bbl Marlin 1897T and a Browning BL-22 grade II with octagon bbl.......Any of the three will out last me...........
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Can't understand the attraction people have for Henry's. No comparison, IMHO.
True. No comparison........BUT only the BL-22 is still being made and it cost what 3 Henry's would cost.........Just like I wouldn't trade a Smith 29 for a bushel of plastic pistols.....The younger folks don't recognize quality and longivity of quality products anymore.
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Our minty 9422 is easy to take apart and clean.
Brass mag tube.
'92s and '94s are a bit more work.

BB57.... curious as to the saddle ring on the starboard side of the BL-22 as our Winchesters are on the port side?

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Way back in the early 80s I stumbled across a used 1978 9422 XTR at a gun show. First year for that model. Excellent condition, like new. The wood was smooth instead of checkered as future XTRs would be. Immediately fell in love. But the cost! OMG! Who in their right mind would pay that much for a used .22 rifle! But I had to have it.
I remember my hands were actually shaking as I peeled out $135 in cash.
Still have it today. Still my favorite .22 rifle. It ain't going nowhere.

This is the only picture I have. Its made a few friends over the years.

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Nice!
At least we know where we can get spare parts
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Way back in the early 80s I stumbled across a used 1978 9422 XTR at a gun show. First year for that model. Excellent condition, like new. The wood was smooth instead of checkered as future XTRs would be. Immediately fell in love. But the cost! OMG! Who in their right mind would pay that much for a used .22 rifle! But I had to have it.
I remember my hands were actually shaking as I peeled out $135 in cash.
Still have it today. Still my favorite .22 rifle. It ain't going nowhere.

This is the only picture I have. Its made a few friends over the years.

Grayfox, I know what you mean and I can tell it is still bothering you today! I definitely don't want this to be something that you will continue to worry about in the future! So......just to help out a fellow gun buddy, I will give you DOUBLE your money paid!! OK, I will even pay the shipping! I know, I know, I am way too generous. Think about it.....back when you were shaking while peeling off those bills and sweating profusely, will be replaced with tremendous joy from replacing double, I say double that amount back in your wallet!!! Let me know where to send the funds.
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Sometimes I disprove what many say and find that over the years, I have been fairly intelligent. Like when I predicted years ago that the 9422s would someday be prime collector items and worth a lot of money! Here's the three I own and will never give up.

By the way, although the 9422s will accept scopes and are really accurate rifles, I'll never scope any of them. The classic western lines would be way spoiled. I have other scoped 22s (both LR and WMR) that are bolt actions and very accurate. This 9422 breed is in a class by itself. Not gonna monkey with any of 'em.

Also, if you want to get the complete scoop on the origins and history of the 9422s, my book 101 Classic Firearms has a very informative chapter on them. You won't be disappointed.

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boykinlp: I'm truly touched by your generous offer. But I made peace with my extravagance years ago. I think I'll just keep this rifle.

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Exactly my feelings as well. The classic lever gun fits a very specific niche in the firearms world. Fast, flat, handy and accurate at short to medium ranges with iron sights. To scope one of these classic rifles amounts to blasphemy.
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Right to left, 1972 22lr, 1972 22M, 1975 22lr, 1985 xtr 22lr, and 2003 9417. I bought the 9417 thinking it was a 22 magnum and took a few years to figure it out! Good surprise and my only 17. Cool but prefer the magnum from 72. I also have a new 9422 Trapper in the box but it's burried too deep to get out!

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I saw a 9422M at the LGS today for $1,500. It was in VERY nice condition. I don’t need one that bad. I only have one .22 mag rifle - a Mossberg “Chuckster “. I’m good with that.
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Sometimes I disprove what many say and find that over the years, I have been fairly intelligent. Like when I predicted years ago that the 9422s would someday be prime collector items and worth a lot of money! Here's the three I own and will never give up.

By the way, although the 9422s will accept scopes and are really accurate rifles, I'll never scope any of them. The classic western lines would be way spoiled. I have other scoped 22s (both LR and WMR) that are bolt actions and very accurate. This 9422 breed is in a class by itself. Not gonna monkey with any of 'em.

Also, if you want to get the complete scoop on the origins and history of the 9422s, my book 101 Classic Firearms has a very informative chapter on them. You won't be disappointed.

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I agree for the most part. The only 9422 I ever liked with a scope was the 9422 Legacy. It seems to work well as long as you don’t get too large with the scope.

And I have two others with iron sights.

That said I did commit heresy and drill and tap their tangs for tang sights. At 58 and after blowing through bifocals to progressive readers, I can still get sharp focus on the front sight with a tang sight given the increased depth of field effects of the aperture of the tang sight.
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True. No comparison........BUT only the BL-22 is still being made and it cost what 3 Henry's would cost.........Just like I wouldn't trade a Smith 29 for a bushel of plastic pistols.....The younger folks don't recognize quality and longivity of quality products anymore.
New BL-22s sell for $700-750 at present.

Henry lever action .22s were selling for $385-$450 depending on options at a gun show today, and that was with snow discounts.

So yes, BL-22s cost more, but not 3 times as much, and they gain a lot of that back in better resale value if you turn them back into money down the road.
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Our minty 9422 is easy to take apart and clean.
Brass mag tube.
'92s and '94s are a bit more work.

BB57.... curious as to the saddle ring on the starboard side of the BL-22 as our Winchesters are on the port side?

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I have saddle rings on my 9422s to facilitate taking them down and not having to mess with a screw driver to do it.

I did the same thing with my BL-22 and it’s on the wrong side, as that the side the take down screw is on with the BL-22.


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For those that might not know:

The leather thong prevents the ring from dinging the receiver. There’s a myth floating around out there that the leather thong was to allow a cowboy or cavalry trooper to hold the rifle in his teeth.

Anyone who has ever rode a horse and trotted or galloped understands that would not work.

Instead the ring was there on the SRCs and cavalry carbines to allow a snap hook on a cavalry sling to be clipped to the ring so that the rifle could be attached to the sling leaving the trooper’s hands free for the reins, his pistols, (either in a flap holster or in pommel holsters), or a saber.
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I have 3 Marlin 39a's and they are great 22 levers. Never owned any others except a Henry Golden Boy that I traded away.
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Re: "I’ve also heard people complain the 9422s made in the last couple years of production (2002-2004) were lower quality and are often claimed to have been made from mis matched left over parts. I’ve never owned from that era, so I can’t say."

FWIW, when I learned that the Winchester factory was closing, I went to my LGS and purchased their last 9422. Some time after that I was in the store and they told me they had just received three factory new 9422s, but they didn't think I would be interested in them. They were right: the first rifle had a very loose forend (did not appear to be able to be tightened), the buttstock on the second rifle slid back and forth in the receiver about a half inch, and on the third rifle, which was a standard model, a Legacy lever had been installed...
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I sold a new in box one here on the forum classifieds. Wish I hadn't done that but I could use the money at the time.
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I agree for the most part. The only 9422 I ever liked with a scope was the 9422 Legacy. It seems to work well as long as you don’t get too large with the scope.

And I have two others with iron sights.

That said I did commit heresy and drill and tap their tangs for tang sights. At 58 and after blowing through bifocals to progressive readers, I can still get sharp focus on the front sight with a tang sight given the increased depth of field effects of the aperture of the tang sight.
I'd put a tang sight on mine except I don't want to drill and tap the tang. A receiver sight is a good compromise. Williams makes (or made?) one that clamps in the receiver grooves. Not as svelt or classic as a tang sight, but not metal was displaced!

I also popped in a Lyman 17A in place of the front sight. The buckhorn amidships was replaced with a filler. This combination really brings out the 9422's accuracy potential. The removed items reside in a "bag o' parts" labeled to the gun so I can be restored to its original configuration at some time.
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I've really, really wanted to like the Henrys and I've tried to. But every time I pick one up and handle it I end up laying in back down and walking off.
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The 9422 is one hell of a smooth, accurate, finely finished rifle that was just built right. I was always a diehard Marlin 39A fan and overlooked the Winny for many years. Once I got to handle and actually shoot hundreds of rounds through a few of them, I rapidly changed my opinions and had to have one. To me the high end version M9422 is a classic and is just as smooth as butter to shoot.
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Which brings more money, and how much more, a Model 9422 or a 9422M? What was the first year for each, and would a first year bring a large premium like in our S&W 5 Screw Pre-29's? Thanks.
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In the same condition, the 9422M will usually bring $200+ over a 9422.

The 9422 was introduced in 1972, possibly mid 80s for the 9422M.

Depending on condition, a first year will usually bring a little more to a collector; not to sure how much.

Edit: The 9422 and 9422M both arrived in 1972
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Picked this one up at a gun show last month. Made 1975.
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Really like the look of your 9422 Legacy BB57. Thats a really sharp looking .22 to me.
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In the same condition, the 9422M will usually bring $200+ over a 9422.

The 9422 was introduced in 1972, possibly mid 80s for the 9422M.

Depending on condition, a first year will usually bring a little more to a collector; not to sure how much.
Last night, while surfing the net, I saw a Model 9422M with serial number F5904X. They said it was a 1972. It was in excellent condition, just the rifle nothing else. Asking price was $1400. When I looked this morning, it was sold. Last night, I thought the price was maybe a couple hundred high, but didn't know when the first Ayer was, and if this gun was an actual first year one. I figured I would ask the questions here.
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Last night, while surfing the net, I saw a Model 9422M with serial number F5904X. They said it was a 1972. It was in excellent condition, just the rifle nothing else. Asking price was $1400. When I looked this morning, it was sold. Last night, I thought the price was maybe a couple hundred high, but didn't know when the first Ayer was, and if this gun was an actual first year one. I figured I would ask the questions here.
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You’re correct the 9422 magnum and 9422 both appeared in 1972.
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It's a dandy. Nice catch.

What was the price of admission on it? I think the craze is still underway with no signs of stopping.
I gave $675 OTD.
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Not only was that my first lever gun, but my first engraved rifle as well.
Grade school buddies did not understand the difference between their marginal caliber six shooter cap guns and the power of a Winchester by Nichols, but one shot and they all fell.
Primer/cap went in a brass case and when the hammer dropped it was..... game over.
I may have tried a double/triple load but who remembers age 11 riding with Crazy Horse.

The rest of the parts are out for a trigger job.

My uncle was in the fur business so my coon skin cap was top notch. Mom's buffalo skin jacket and my leather chaps were always worn.
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