I see where Remington has answered Mossberg with a non nfa gun of their own. I'm thinking SWEET but then I start to ponder.......

My 870: 38.76 inches overall-18/5 barrel 8 shots plus one in chamber.

new 870: 26.3" overall, 14 barrell 4 shots plus one in the chamber.

at an MSRP of $449 I'm thinking that I really don't need this since I don't thinking carrying an 870 concealed is in my future. I'm thinking that it would be a bear to control with that grip.
BUT if I ever decide to go off and get to geehaddin' a pair of these joined by a lanyard around my neck under a duster wearing a black slouched hat would be just the ticket.

Model 870 Tac-14 | Remington

For those of you who don't think like me-your prayers have been answered and I hope Remington sells a snot load of them.

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Well, I never thought I'd see a major manufacturer come out with one of these, but it is clearly allowable under the NFA. Not my cup of tea, but I'm glad to see the free market in action.

Best Regards, Les

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I bought one of the Asylum Weaponry Gatekeeper II. It is basically the same gun without the Magpul forend. It's a handful, but hope to tame it down some with a strap on the forend and 2 1/4" mini-buck shells.

If you recall the political hysteria over "cop-Killer" bullets, the plastic guns that could "defeat" detection at airports and the emotional handwringing at the mere thought of using Black Talon bullets against another alleged human being, I think I know where these whittled shotguns are heading.

Always been an 870 guy plus have a Moss 500. Kinda wanted to try the 590 for giggles and the shockwave seemed interesting to an extent. Having had pistol grip shottys before, I wasn't expecting anything much different other than a 4" shorter barrel. Having now fired the SW with various 2-3/4" high-brass loads, there were no surprises. IMO, it's a short-barrel PG shotgun, which is easy to wield in close quarters but that's about it. I paid (over paid) $400 for my SW and if I could find someone locally to buy it, they'd own it. Just my opinion.
I will say that for giggles, I plan to mount it under the dash of my ATV as its small size will be pretty much outta sight, outta mind yet still readily accessible.

Funny Remington (for now ) is still located in the peoples republic of NY!

I got a feeling that this offering will be verboten here in comrade Cuomo s "Safe Act" state!

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I've shot my 870 Gatekeeper II out to 15 yards and got good patterns. It wasn't hard to hit at that distance.

Ho Hum.....Just like the judge/governor.......An excuse in search of a problem.......But if the mall ninja's like and buy "em" more power to "em"........

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Yeah.... I was just reading something in the so called "media" the other day about how the NRA was pushing to allow the sale of "Deadly Silencers"!!!! Despite the fact that suppressors are already for sale, just taxed, there is something about the use of pejorative adjectives that lends a certain childish panache to the bigoted "reporting" of the biased "media".

Best Regards, Les

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I would like to have the new Remington, wish it had sling swivels. I would also use the Remington light loads made for it. I have an 18" barrel model 1100 and I love it. I have a model 870, as well, but have always liked semi-auto anything.

My SW patterned ok, about like my 12" SBS. The trade off for me is compactness (no stock) for controllability (with stock).
Being a non-NFA item is also a plus.

Looks like it would be good to carry on a boat or an RV where space is limited.
Steve W

I find the type of grip on this to be easier to shoot (and hit) than the pistol grip guns that I've shot over the years.

I'm a little behind on ATF rules, a Luger or Mauser with stock ,
a Win 92 Trapper, Marble Game Getter are under lincese ? These
Non Shotguns aren't. I can see a flood of foreign guns in
Single & double at cheap prices coming into the country. Looks
like the perfect companion piece for a Tech-9.

This is great news, but potential buyers be aware of one thing. The OPsol mini adapter which allows the Mossberg to properly feed the Aguila mini-shotshells does not fit the 870. The adapter manufacturers have not been able to come up with a design for the 870.

BTW, my Shockwave works perfectly with the Aguila mini-shells using the adapter. My only issue is finding the Aguila ammo.

I may have to try those. Nobel also makes them IIRC.
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If these guns remain a hit, I'd hope some US ammo makers would come out with something, especially Remington.
also...
Nobelsport Ammo 12ga. 2 1/4" 1250fps. 00bk 6-pellets 10-pk | Ammo Sales

I did too.

I bought the OPSol mini clip and installed it in my SW.
Loaded the Nobel 2.1/4" inch shells and they all jammed in the loading gate.
Have to find 1.75" inch shells.

That's good to know, thanks for posting. A semi-local shop has the nobels and thought about trying them.
Where did you get your OPSol?
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Just curious, did you try them without the adaptor?

I have seen those shortie shotgun shell for a while and realy do not get it. Seem like many jamming type problems with them.

My primary house defense gun is a 12G 9 shot Mossie, that holds plenty and so far it works at a 100% Just in case I also have a bandoleer holding plenty of extras close to the gun 1/2 00Buck and the other 1/2 slugs!

For a while I used my 12G 1100 (5 shots) deer gun 20" bbl til I bought the Mossie. I doubt that those shells will work in that gun.

I also have a coach gun (SXS), of course those shorties will work in that if pressed into service. But why have a specialty round just for that gun!

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Here:

Also a link to more OPSol info:

Really wish I hadn't seen this thread...

Where can I find the Aguila Mini-shells?

Pros and cons... which one to get Mossberg or Remington?

This video changed my thinking on this type of weapon. MOSSBERG SHOCKWAVE OVERVIEW - YouTube


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From an old time 870 guy, and even without the mini shell adaptor or me not being wrong-handed (left ) I vote for the mossy.
ETA:
My reasons are that after dust has settled and supply catches up with demand, the Moss will likely still be significantly cheaper plus holds an additional round of 2-3/4".

I ordered mine off of Midway. None of the stores in my area stock them.

OK, gonna show my ignorance now. How is this not an NFA weapon ?

Larry

It is a hand gun.

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Technically Iggy they are ALL handguns it's just that some need more than one hand to hold and shoot

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...I think it's a new interpretation of the law...it is over the 26 inch minimum overall length...and it was originally manufactured with the 14 inch barrel...

...I am pretty sure you can't legally replicate an identical one at home...

...I bought a new pistol grip shotgun...didn't like it...and put a shoulder stock on it...you couldn't do that with the shotgun in question without changing to a longer 18+ inch barrel or you will have produced an illegal short barrel shotgun just by changing the stock...

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It drives through a bus size loop hole in the law/regulations. It is classified as a firearm but is neither a shotgun nor pistol. Therefore, it can't be an SBS or a smoothbore pistol.

Big caveat though, if you carry it concealed it is not clear-cut to my reading that it is exempt from NFA. Since it isn't a pistol, I don't think my CPL covers it, nor could I keep it in the front seat of a vehicle.

I wouldn't post videos/phots of myself drawing a Shockwave from underneath my winter jacket just in case.

Hickok did a very positive review on the Shockwave. It's surprisingly shootable and even slugs weren't too punishing.

ATF Letter defining the Mossberg Shockwave.

http://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/u...ATF-3-2-17.pdf

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The Mossy will always be less expensive. It will hold more rounds. From what I hear, with the after market adapter, it is fairly reliable (not completely) with Aguila mini shells. I got the Remmy because I have quite a lot of trigger time with it over many, many years. I am right handed, so the safety placement suits me. With the 2 1/4 " mini-buck Nobel Sport shells, it holds five in the magazine (but the Mossy will hold more). The 2 1/4" mini-buck shells cycle through my Remmy, but I haven't had a chance to pattern them or see how they cycle during live fire, but I expect success. There are extended mags available for the Remmy, even +1 extensions. I like the looks of the Magpul forend of the Remington produced shorty. I think for someone who isn't left- handed, it is a toss up. I think the quality is pretty much there equally. These babies are a handful with full house slugs or 00 buck, so if one isn't careful, the recoil can send that Mossy safety back to bite the web of the hand.

watch some videos before you buy one,they are pretty informative. You give up a lot of control for a small decrease in overall length.

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Two things I've seen done on these in another thread here on the Mossberg is stippling the grip for better purchase (prevents safety bite with the Mossberg) and porting the barrel to mitigate some of the recoil/muzzle rise (applies to either), which the more I think about it seem to be must-dos for these short shotguns.

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Thanks guys.

I'm on GrabAgun's email list for the Mossberg $354.

Midway didn't have any, but the Aguila mini-shells show in stock at CheaperThanDirt. $10 for five? Expensive dirt...

I got a chance to shoot my Asylum Weaponry Remington 870 Gatekeeper today. I shot several of the Nobel Sport 2 1/4" Mini Buck shells. There are 6 00 buckshot with an advertised velocity of 1250 fps. They functioned without any problems. They patterned well at 10 yards (under 8"), but at 15 yards, forget it. You may get a couple on a B-27 if you're lucky. The recoil was very manageable and no problem endangering my face when the gun was held up to eye level and fired using the front bead. The strap I added on the forend was very useful and helped control even when I fired some 2 3/4" full load 00 buck (9 pellets). It is still hard to control with the full house 2 3/4" 12 ga. loads, but the more I shot, the better I got, so there is a learning curve (at least for me). I had put a piece of bicycle inner tube on the birdshead grip. It did seem to help with keeping my grip. After several rounds, the inner tube rode up slightly towards the trigger guard, but didn't present any problem and still was useful. The photo below is of a 2/34" 12 ga. slug, a 2 1/4" Mini Buck and an Aguila mini load. I tried the mini loads, but they had to be individually pushed into the chamber, so they aren't a consideration for the Remmy IMHO.

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That would ruin a bad guy's day.


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I really only have one question... where's the 20ga model? I've owned pistol grip 12ga's before, and I just don't think I'll be needing another. Recoil is just a tad too much, don't get me wrong I can shoot it, but it isn't pleasant. Maybe with the mini shells it would be ok, but the 870's don't always work great with them. 20ga on the other hand is just right in a short barreled/pistol grip gun. Plenty of HD loads for 20ga, even a couple of rubber buckshot options.
My 20ga Mod 12

I like it and the Mossberg version called the Shockwave I just hope that they will eventually offer them in other shotgun calibers besides 12 gauge.

I agree with you. I don't even enjoy shooting full house 00 buckshot out of my 870 with 20" barrel and full stock. The Nobel Sport 2 1/4" Mini Buck shells however are a different animal. They feed reliably in my Remington 870 Asylum Weaponry Gatekeeper II and the recoil isn't hard to control. They are actually pleasant to shoot. They pattern well out to 10 yards, too.

For now I'll just stick with my Mossberg youth model 510 20 gauge....18.5" barrel, 3+1 ( love a extension tube for 4+1); OAL <35inches weighting in at 5 lbs......stock w/ 11.5 LOP........

The SW; as I've watched the videos.......when you push it out at eye level..... overall length from "muzzle to you shoulder" looks to be the same, or more, than if you have an 18 inch barrel and full butt stock?????????????????



Under my "duster" it's a Beretta CX4........ 29" OAL and 20/30 9mm rounds on tap!